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Bottle wrote: And who live in the cities to North West?
I'm willing to bet that it is not even mentioned in the book (having seen similar cities on maps in the other books). If you were to go and ask about it on the FB page I think you'll get something like "Well, probably the remains of once proud people are still living there" as an answer.
In context of the established theme of AoS, it really doesn't matter if there is anyone living there. I'd guess what matters is that a great horde of Orruks rampaged from west to east, right through the middle of the map, having probably laid siege to the city (the inhabitants mentioned only as the "defenders" or ahem "inhabitants").
I'm also willing to bet that you already knew all of the above, but you are still holding some glimmer of hope. If the city is actually detailed I swear I'll eat my whole breakfast tomorrow!
Bottle wrote: And who live in the cities to North West?
I'm willing to bet that it is not even mentioned in the book (having seen similar cities on maps in the other books). If you were to go and ask about it on the FB page I think you'll get something like "Well, probably the remains of once proud people are still living there" as an answer.
In context of the established theme of AoS, it really doesn't matter if there is anyone living there. I'd guess what matters is that a great horde of Orruks rampaged from west to east, right through the middle of the map, having probably laid siege to the city (the inhabitants mentioned only as the "defenders" or ahem "inhabitants").
I'm also willing to bet that you already knew all of the above, but you are still holding some glimmer of hope. If the city is actually detailed I swear I'll eat my whole breakfast tomorrow!
Exactly - nothing about citizens, only orruks and epic events As for me - orruks in Aos are very, very similar to warcraft ones... (on the arts)
The tree bridge is crazy and the city is really neat looking, very grimy and archaic.
No doubt that there's no information on it but it's cool to see pieces of civilization like that. I can make my own head-canon for it's relevance and it's people.
Cool artwork in this one, love the charging Orruk cavalry smashing aside the Seraphon.
Man, say what you will about the art quality (which looks to be a little better overall than God Beasts), but it's really apparent in this book that the artists have no latitude whatsoever when it comes to creative license. Apparently every orc leader has to kill the same two monsters and mount their skulls as trophies in the exact same positions on its armor? Even in the better-rendered pieces, you can almost pick out specific figures from GW's promo photos.
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"Never interrupt your enemy when he is making a mistake." -Napoleon
Guildsman - Argh, you're right that's really true on many of them, very noticeable in the one at the top of this thread page in fact! Some branch out a bit more, though - and tend to correspond with the art that is the best, imo.
A few of the enemies look different than what GW currently offers - I wonder if this is just because those sculpts haven't been "redone" yet?
This one in particular:
Should definitely check out the rest at the link in the OP (here).
Guildsman wrote: Man, say what you will about the art quality (which looks to be a little better overall than God Beasts), but it's really apparent in this book that the artists have no latitude whatsoever when it comes to creative license.
It is also evident in the novels. Reading the characters entry, one can get the impression of the author holding the miniature and just describing it. I have no doubt that this is a requirement for all BL fiction.
wellofeternity wrote:Again - everything is "sterile". No blood, no mud, no battle damage even on feral orks. Cartoonish look for younger customer.
This is one possible explanation and I'm certain that there's alot of truth behind it. On the other side though, I made a quick search for various sword and sorcery art (btwAoS is marketed as a S&S game on the official webpage) and there doesn't seem to be much bloodshed either. I'm by no means an art critic (my expertise being limited to "nice!" ), but in all these art pieces, AOS and returned from google, there seems to be a common characteristic - they depict the initial moments of the clash, when the fate of the heroes still hangs on a thread and you can see the monsters/villains in their full, terrible glory. I'd imagine that the actual act of prevailing over the evil being would be depicted, more often than not, on paintings with mythical themes (Heracles triumphing over the Nemean lion etc.) ... and this puzzles me. I see the setting, as represented by certain art and novels, as a more mythical one and at the same time there are other pictures and GW's own definition of their game that implies that AoS has more in common with S&S... Akin to 40k, it may be just an amalgam of many genres so it may sprawl over many different themes. In short, though I see the possibility of the art being bloodless because the management wants to market it to younger audiences, there is also the possibility that this is just the chosen art direction .
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I have a new go to image for any time someone tries to tell me AoS artwork is good
Fafnir wrote: Oh, I certainly vote with my dollar, but the problem is that that is not enough. The problem with the 'vote with your dollar' response is that it doesn't take into account why we're not buying the product. I want to enjoy 40k enough to buy back in. It was my introduction to traditional games, and there was a time when I enjoyed it very much. I want to buy 40k, but Gamesworkshop is doing their very best to push me away, and simply not buying their product won't tell them that.
It's all been a bit cartoony for my tastes throughout. Has this been a new style for AoS or had it gotten that way already?
Previously the more surreal or cartoony styles I always put down to being in universe art and it worked. Hard to think about the AoS stuff in that way.
Don't necessarily think you need blood and guts, in fact that would probably be a bit OTT but it's just the style.
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This is one possible explanation and I'm certain that there's alot of truth behind it.
On the other side though, I made a quick search for various sword and sorcery art (btwAoS is marketed as a S&S game on the official webpage) and there doesn't seem to be much bloodshed either. I'm by no means an art critic (my expertise being limited to "nice!" ), but in all these art pieces, AOS and returned from google, there seems to be a common characteristic - they depict the initial moments of the clash, when the fate of the heroes still hangs on a thread and you can see the monsters/villains in their full, terrible glory. I'd imagine that the actual act of prevailing over the evil being would be depicted, more often than not, on paintings with mythical themes (Heracles triumphing over the Nemean lion etc.) ... and this puzzles me. I see the setting, as represented by certain art and novels, as a more mythical one and at the same time there are other pictures and GW's own definition of their game that implies that AoS has more in common with S&S... Akin to 40k, it may be just an amalgam of many genres so it may sprawl over many different themes.
In short, though I see the possibility of the art being bloodless because the management wants to market it to younger audiences, there is also the possibility that this is just the chosen art direction .
On this note, Vince Venturella made an excellent video on the setting of AoS:
usernamesareannoying wrote: some of us aren't art critics.
I actually like the new style and the art in the ironjawz book.
I'm certainly not an art critic and if you like it that's cool, I'm no arbiter of other peoples taste! It's not terrible and I don't cringe to look at it or anything so pretentious, just giving my opinion.
usernamesareannoying wrote: some of us aren't art critics.
I actually like the new style and the art in the ironjawz book.
I'm certainly not an art critic and if you like it that's cool, I'm no arbiter of other peoples taste! It's not terrible and I don't cringe to look at it or anything so pretentious, just giving my opinion.
that's true, my bad Dai.
its easy to get sucked into the black hole of negativity that is Dakka =P
its a valid point though. im not sure why I like the cartoony aspects of the art but something of it is appealing to me.
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