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2020/02/17 22:27:29
Subject: Mankind continues to learn nothing from science fiction
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Battlefield Tourist
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"Bringing the Magic" is code for "Know your place prole!".
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2020/02/17 22:30:05
Subject: Re:Mankind continues to learn nothing from science fiction
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The Dread Evil Lord Varlak
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Body pubishments were abolished Herr some time ago even in the military.
Disgustin...
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https://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/0/766717.page
A Mostly Renegades and Heretics blog.
GW:"Space marines got too many options to balance, therefore we decided to legends HH units."
Players: "why?!? Now we finally got decent plastic kits and you cut them?"
Chaos marines players: "Since when are Daemonengines 30k models and why do i have NO droppods now?"
GW" MONEY.... erm i meant TOO MANY OPTIONS (to resell your army to you again by disalowing former units)! Do you want specific tyranid fighiting Primaris? Even a new sabotage lieutnant!"
Chaos players: Guess i stop playing or go to HH. |
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2020/02/18 03:38:39
Subject: Re:Mankind continues to learn nothing from science fiction
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Enigmatic Chaos Sorcerer
The dark hollows of Kentucky
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Fething class traitors. Feth that.
Better to die on your feet than live on your knees.
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2020/02/18 07:35:01
Subject: Mankind continues to learn nothing from science fiction
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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 Easy E wrote:"Bringing the Magic" is code for "Know your place prole!".
Right up there with "Bioware Magic" aka endless crunch period. Amazing how cute companies can make employee abuse sound.
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2020/02/18 07:54:01
Subject: Mankind continues to learn nothing from science fiction
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The Dread Evil Lord Varlak
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Cronch wrote: Easy E wrote:"Bringing the Magic" is code for "Know your place prole!".
Right up there with "Bioware Magic" aka endless crunch period. Amazing how cute companies can make employee abuse sound.
Otoh the issue got so severe in the gaming industry that you don't have burn-outs you got stress-casualities.
I mean common, wtf is wrong with your industry that you need such a terminus.
Automatically Appended Next Post: Gadzilla666 wrote:
Fething class traitors. Feth that.
Better to die on your feet than live on your knees.
Hunger makes everyone bow.
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This message was edited 1 time. Last update was at 2020/02/18 07:54:29
https://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/0/766717.page
A Mostly Renegades and Heretics blog.
GW:"Space marines got too many options to balance, therefore we decided to legends HH units."
Players: "why?!? Now we finally got decent plastic kits and you cut them?"
Chaos marines players: "Since when are Daemonengines 30k models and why do i have NO droppods now?"
GW" MONEY.... erm i meant TOO MANY OPTIONS (to resell your army to you again by disalowing former units)! Do you want specific tyranid fighiting Primaris? Even a new sabotage lieutnant!"
Chaos players: Guess i stop playing or go to HH. |
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2020/02/18 08:31:28
Subject: Mankind continues to learn nothing from science fiction
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Veteran Inquisitorial Tyranid Xenokiller
Watch Fortress Excalibris
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Nice aphorism but, historically, hunger eventually makes everyone reach for their pitchforks and torches. And eventually guillotines.
People put up with abuse because they're not hungry enough. Yet.
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A little bit of righteous anger now and then is good, actually. Don't trust a person who never gets angry. |
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2020/02/18 09:34:23
Subject: Mankind continues to learn nothing from science fiction
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The Dread Evil Lord Varlak
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 Duskweaver wrote:
Nice aphorism but, historically, hunger eventually makes everyone reach for their pitchforks and torches. And eventually guillotines.
People put up with abuse because they're not hungry enough. Yet.
No, it doesn't, Look at north korea, people won't fight anymore if they are too weak.
Slight hunger and as obvious percieved privileges Turn into torches and pitchforks. If there are chances to win.
Which makes Arms and weaponry also a deciding factor.
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This message was edited 1 time. Last update was at 2020/02/18 09:35:35
https://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/0/766717.page
A Mostly Renegades and Heretics blog.
GW:"Space marines got too many options to balance, therefore we decided to legends HH units."
Players: "why?!? Now we finally got decent plastic kits and you cut them?"
Chaos marines players: "Since when are Daemonengines 30k models and why do i have NO droppods now?"
GW" MONEY.... erm i meant TOO MANY OPTIONS (to resell your army to you again by disalowing former units)! Do you want specific tyranid fighiting Primaris? Even a new sabotage lieutnant!"
Chaos players: Guess i stop playing or go to HH. |
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2020/02/18 15:03:25
Subject: Mankind continues to learn nothing from science fiction
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Battlefield Tourist
MN (Currently in WY)
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What's the old saying? Something like....
"Society is two meals away from total collapse."
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2020/02/20 23:50:06
Subject: Mankind continues to learn nothing from science fiction
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Fixture of Dakka
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I take it that company name is pronounced with a silent “p”?
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2020/02/22 12:42:22
Subject: Re:Mankind continues to learn nothing from science fiction
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[DCM]
Et In Arcadia Ego
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https://twitter.com/imrankhan/status/1230193712199802882
have a 2nd job to nearly afford to get to your first job.
what a time to be alive.
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The poor man really has a stake in the country. The rich man hasn't; he can go away to New Guinea in a yacht. The poor have sometimes objected to being governed badly; the rich have always objected to being governed at all
We love our superheroes because they refuse to give up on us. We can analyze them out of existence, kill them, ban them, mock them, and still they return, patiently reminding us of who we are and what we wish we could be.
"the play's the thing wherein I'll catch the conscience of the king,
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2020/02/22 13:36:38
Subject: Re:Mankind continues to learn nothing from science fiction
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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 reds8n wrote:https://twitter.com/imrankhan/status/1230193712199802882
have a 2nd job to nearly afford to get to your first job.
what a time to be alive.
Sounds mad, but considering the price of inner urban area rental properties today (even if you're sharing a "house" with half a dozen other people - each paying full price for a single room and communal kitchen/bathroom); it doesn't surprise me that some people jump through hoops to keep access to a car so they can get to work.
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2020/02/22 14:05:45
Subject: Mankind continues to learn nothing from science fiction
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Veteran Inquisitorial Tyranid Xenokiller
Watch Fortress Excalibris
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Not Online!!! wrote:No, it doesn't, Look at north korea, people won't fight anymore if they are too weak.
Hunger is not what is stopping the North Korean population from rebelling. Propaganda is. China regularly provides food aid to North Korea specifically to prevent Kim's regime from being toppled.
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A little bit of righteous anger now and then is good, actually. Don't trust a person who never gets angry. |
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2020/02/23 11:01:33
Subject: Mankind continues to learn nothing from science fiction
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Frenzied Berserker Terminator
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2020/02/23 11:21:35
Subject: Mankind continues to learn nothing from science fiction
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Veteran Inquisitorial Tyranid Xenokiller
Watch Fortress Excalibris
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I guess the Earth finally succeeded in proving that Mike Hughes is flat.
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A little bit of righteous anger now and then is good, actually. Don't trust a person who never gets angry. |
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2020/02/23 12:02:45
Subject: Re:Mankind continues to learn nothing from science fiction
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[DCM]
Et In Arcadia Ego
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The poor man really has a stake in the country. The rich man hasn't; he can go away to New Guinea in a yacht. The poor have sometimes objected to being governed badly; the rich have always objected to being governed at all
We love our superheroes because they refuse to give up on us. We can analyze them out of existence, kill them, ban them, mock them, and still they return, patiently reminding us of who we are and what we wish we could be.
"the play's the thing wherein I'll catch the conscience of the king,
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2020/02/23 12:29:18
Subject: Re:Mankind continues to learn nothing from science fiction
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Enigmatic Chaos Sorcerer
The dark hollows of Kentucky
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New to corporate priorities are we? 
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2020/02/23 22:51:51
Subject: Mankind continues to learn nothing from science fiction
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Walking Dead Wraithlord
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2020/02/24 00:28:55
Subject: Mankind continues to learn nothing from science fiction
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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Eh so far the AI appears to mostly be doing pattern recognition - just on a very advanced and very large and very fast scale. Which is basically what computers are really good at - doing repeat stuff super fast. We are still well within the bounds where the AI is being used to basically cut out a huge block of labour to identify potential key element which are then the focus of people studying them.
The real risk is that the AI misses things because they are slightly different or not within its programming. Which would suggest any mass AI study blocks need to be checked and checked again as AI advance and as methods and techniques change.
Meanwhile what the AI does find allows human staff to be far more efficient in what they study. Now the human element can focus on the exact thing they were looking for.
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2020/02/24 01:01:09
Subject: Mankind continues to learn nothing from science fiction
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Terrifying Doombull
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 Argive wrote:https://www.bbc.co. uk/news/health-51586010
What could go wrong...
Almost nothing, actually. As Overread says, this is simply patterns and banging together digital objects to see what sticks. The actual compound would have to be produced and tested by people, same as if people did the grunt work. It might do nothing, or have bad side effects, but that's true of any drug.
All the 'AI' is doing is flagging a particular combination as potentially viable for further study. In this particular case, the machine examined 2500 samples of drugs that might kill E. Coli and narrowed it down to 100 for more intensive testing, which is much more manageable in terms of costs and time.
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Efficiency is the highest virtue. |
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2020/02/24 01:01:24
Subject: Mankind continues to learn nothing from science fiction
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Walking Dead Wraithlord
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Yes or that it comes up with a compound that will be so good at killing bacteria it will end up killing your entire biome. "Oops I did it again..." Not because AI doing things maliciously of course, but humans designed the algorithm made a misstep. The fact there are self learning Algorythms so complicated we are not sure what they do anymore should give us pause before plugging them into messing with biology. All im saying... Theres rumours of some really sinister things being done with crispr. Not sure how much of this is tin foil and how much it is real because that's some deep deeeeeeep state in action for anyone involved.
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2020/02/24 01:04:49
Subject: Mankind continues to learn nothing from science fiction
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Terrifying Doombull
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Argive wrote:Yes or that it comes up with a compound that will be so good at killing bacteria it will end up killing your entire biome. "Oops I did it again..."
No. Because its not 'coming up' with anything:
Article wrote:Scientists trained it to analyse the structure of 2,500 drugs and other compounds to find those with the most anti-bacterial qualities that could kill E. coli.
They then selected around 100 candidates for physical testing before discovering halicin.
The drugs already exist. The scientists selected 100 drug sample candidates for physical testing. Which doesn't mean injecting them blindly into 'the entire biome,' it means scientists doing controlled lab work, the same kind they've been doing for years, just not on 2400 additional drugs that likely won't work for what they're trying to achieve.
There is zero risk from the 'AI.' The biggest risk is one of the 2400 samples that didn't get selected had some useful E.Coli killing properties the 'AI' missed.
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Efficiency is the highest virtue. |
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2020/02/24 01:19:08
Subject: Mankind continues to learn nothing from science fiction
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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Part of the problem is the term "AI" which isn't really a very good term.
It's got specific meanings which vary a lot depending on the context. A computer game AI is a totally different thing to the AI used in a project like the medical one noted above and both of them are totally different to AI development of the sort that Deep Thought or whatever that one that is doing really well with Starcraft 2.
And those are totally different from the AI we see in films and TV shows where they are shown as true thinking machines closer to living humans.
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2020/02/24 01:40:45
Subject: Mankind continues to learn nothing from science fiction
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Terrifying Doombull
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 Overread wrote:Part of the problem is the term "AI" which isn't really a very good term.
It's got specific meanings which vary a lot depending on the context. A computer game AI is a totally different thing to the AI used in a project like the medical one noted above and both of them are totally different to AI development of the sort that Deep Thought or whatever that one that is doing really well with Starcraft 2.
And those are totally different from the AI we see in films and TV shows where they are shown as true thinking machines closer to living humans.
Yep. Exactly why I was using 'AI,' rather than just AI. A lot of people seem to believe we're wandering toward Terminator nonsense, and that just isn't true.
It doesn't help that articles like this use expressions like 'teach the AI,' as it implies thought. Its much more the ability to quickly process ordered lists and tag specific patterns as similar to the ones already encoded in its memory.
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2020/02/26 13:07:30
Subject: Mankind continues to learn nothing from science fiction
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[MOD]
Anti-piracy Officer
Somewhere in south-central England.
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2020/02/27 15:06:17
Subject: Mankind continues to learn nothing from science fiction
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Veteran Inquisitorial Tyranid Xenokiller
Watch Fortress Excalibris
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Looks like we might be about to provoke a Butlerian Jihad, anyway...
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A little bit of righteous anger now and then is good, actually. Don't trust a person who never gets angry. |
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2020/02/27 18:59:31
Subject: Re:Mankind continues to learn nothing from science fiction
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[DCM]
Et In Arcadia Ego
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Indeed :
THESE ARE THE PENTAGON’S NEW ETHICS “PRINCIPLES” FOR AI IN WARFARE
..how did it go again...
Human decisions are removed from strategic defense. Skynet begins to learn at a geometric rate. It becomes self-aware at 2:14 AM, Eastern time, August 29th. In a panic, they try to pull the plug.....
https://media.defense.gov/2019/Oct/31/2002204458/-1/-1/0/DIB_AI_PRINCIPLES_PRIMARY_DOCUMENT.PDF
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The poor man really has a stake in the country. The rich man hasn't; he can go away to New Guinea in a yacht. The poor have sometimes objected to being governed badly; the rich have always objected to being governed at all
We love our superheroes because they refuse to give up on us. We can analyze them out of existence, kill them, ban them, mock them, and still they return, patiently reminding us of who we are and what we wish we could be.
"the play's the thing wherein I'll catch the conscience of the king,
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2020/03/01 09:14:50
Subject: Mankind continues to learn nothing from science fiction
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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Or we could go for those who employ the machines. The machines are not at fault. Their programmers are complicit,but the handful of dollar ubermensch are the culprits.
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2020/03/06 18:37:04
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[DCM]
Et In Arcadia Ego
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https://twitter.com/harrysiegel/status/1235609016769933313
Extra creep points for making THE WAITER into your personal little spy.
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The poor man really has a stake in the country. The rich man hasn't; he can go away to New Guinea in a yacht. The poor have sometimes objected to being governed badly; the rich have always objected to being governed at all
We love our superheroes because they refuse to give up on us. We can analyze them out of existence, kill them, ban them, mock them, and still they return, patiently reminding us of who we are and what we wish we could be.
"the play's the thing wherein I'll catch the conscience of the king,
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2020/03/06 18:51:14
Subject: Mankind continues to learn nothing from science fiction
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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Lets consider the real victims here - the raincoat wearing, chain smoking, gruff voiced private investigators! Now losing a whole line of work in finding out who is dating rich sons and daughters at the behest of their parents.
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2020/03/06 20:22:46
Subject: Mankind continues to learn nothing from science fiction
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Battlefield Tourist
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Overread wrote:Lets consider the real victims here - the raincoat wearing, chain smoking, gruff voiced private investigators! Now losing a whole line of work in finding out who is dating rich sons and daughters at the behest of their parents.
They need UBI.
#Yanggang.... oh wait.....
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