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Huh, nice. Wonder if there will a similar update bumping BA scouts to ws/bs 4...

Poor Hellbrutes.

 Kirasu wrote:
Lol poor CSM, no upgrade for their terrible dreads.

Maybe when the CSM FAQ comes out.

 nudibranch wrote:
Huh, nice. Wonder if there will a similar update bumping BA scouts to ws/bs 4...

Or Space Wolves scouts being the same price as tactical marines but the with the same stats as vanilla scouts which are cheaper and troops.

Don't helbrutes get buffs when they're enraged anyways?

Helbrutes will get a bonus +2A when it comes time to publish their FAQ, or maybe they'll just get it as part of a 7th edition book. Who knows? Reasonable people will let you play your Helbrutes as A4.

I'd prefer them to just make an update to Codex: CSM. Helbrute lacking 2 attacks is the least of the army's problems right now.

Also, praying for the Orkz to get this too. I need an excuse to throw my money at Deff Dreads

Deffs really just need a better way to survive getting to the enemy in relatively one piece. Faster movement or some way to improve their survivability would be outstanding for them (or both )

Jesus....could you screw Orks and CSM anymore GW?

You know, one of my simple pleasures in non-competitive 40k games has always been Murderfang in a FW Lucious Pattern Drop-Pod, and now it might be a competitive option too.

I've got a huge smile on my face. I've always loved Dreads from a fluff POV, and love seeing them help show some love to one of their iconic units.

Did anyone ask for the Space Marine FAQ if the Iron Hands CT extends to non-Dread vehicles gaining IWND?

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:
Did anyone ask for the Space Marine FAQ if the Iron Hands CT extends to non-Dread vehicles gaining IWND?

That question is specifically answered in the FAQ.

 quickfuze wrote:
Jesus....could you screw Orks and CSM anymore GW?

ARGGGGH! WAIT FOR THE RELEVANT FAQ </shouting>

Now I'm wondering, was it stated anywhere that these dreads could now be taken in squadrons or are they still playing highlander?

EDIT: Obviously this would not extend to Bjorn or Murderfang since they're Unique units.

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 kodos wrote:
Because they are not aware that they already changed some rules elsewhere

And if they did, it would be errata instead of FAQ.

You need to tell them in Facebook that their so called "rulebook FAQ" is actually an "rulebook errata" and not a FAQ

Nah. It looks like they already have enough problems with messages and deleting peoples comments. Remember rule number one for them. Be positive.

Literally never have seen a comment deleted on their page, so I feel that either A) you were being a jerk, or B) you are being less than honest in regards to that statement.

I never posted there so I never got my comments deleted since I never posted. Just going by what others say of their comments being deleted even though they were not rude at all.

 MechaEmperor7000 wrote:
Now I'm wondering, was it stated anywhere that these dreads could now be taken in squadrons or are they still playing highlander?

EDIT: Obviously this would not extend to Bjorn or Murderfang since they're Unique units.

The Curse of the Wulfen edition of the Space Wolf dex allows vehicle squadrons, but not for Dreadnoughts, so no squadrons for Dreadnoughts yet.

 casvalremdeikun wrote:

 MechaEmperor7000 wrote:
Now I'm wondering, was it stated anywhere that these dreads could now be taken in squadrons or are they still playing highlander?

EDIT: Obviously this would not extend to Bjorn or Murderfang since they're Unique units.

The Curse of the Wulfen edition of the Space Wolf dex allows vehicle squadrons, but not for Dreadnoughts, so no squadrons for Dreadnoughts yet.

Ancients of the Fang allows for 2-5 dreads in a unit so its the same crap almost. Just imagine a 5 axe and shield unit all spread out running across that table lol.

Interesting...this is the first final-draft FAQ. It's not a first draft, so it is official now. Anyone not using this rule is not playing the game correctly.

Question, I don't have the GK codex: Is a DreadKnight a Dreadnought?

 quickfuze wrote:
Jesus....could you screw Orks and CSM anymore GW?

Yes.

Yes they can

Orks and CSM are destined to be punching bags forever ya know.

 Desubot wrote:

 quickfuze wrote:
Jesus....could you screw Orks and CSM anymore GW?

Yes.

Yes they can

Orks and CSM are destined to be punching bags forever ya know.

Yes, but at least Orks have an awful lot of actual character to them, AND, a mostly modernised model line.

CSM's aren't even worth that much right now.

 Red Corsair wrote:

 casvalremdeikun wrote:

 MechaEmperor7000 wrote:
Now I'm wondering, was it stated anywhere that these dreads could now be taken in squadrons or are they still playing highlander?

EDIT: Obviously this would not extend to Bjorn or Murderfang since they're Unique units.

The Curse of the Wulfen edition of the Space Wolf dex allows vehicle squadrons, but not for Dreadnoughts, so no squadrons for Dreadnoughts yet.

Ancients of the Fang allows for 2-5 dreads in a unit so its the same crap almost. Just imagine a 5 axe and shield unit all spread out running across that table lol.

Very true. Hopefully Blood Angels get a similar formation when they eventually get touched on again. Furioso Train of Murder is still possible with the Archangels Detachment though.

 casvalremdeikun wrote:
https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=1635011190152847&substory_index=0&id=1575682476085719
Just a heads up, per the Warhammer 40,000 Facebook page, all Blook Angels, Grey Knights, and Space Wolves Dreadnoughts get 2 added to their Attack characteristic. They said this was in response to fans requesting the optional rule be made errata. So we CAN make a difference!


pic added for work blocked, Reds8n

Huzzah! And I think the below sums it up best

 Nevelon wrote:
A victory for angry washing machines everywhere! Glad to see this. Not just because dreads are an iconic part of the lore and need to be treated a bit better. But it shows that GW is open to actually errataing things that need to be fixed, rather then just ignoring problems until they re-do the codex in 2-15 years.

Okay so what about everyone else? This helps the most powerful faction in the game get stronger.

So what about the little guys? Poor Dark Eldar, Chaos Space Marines, Imperial Guard, Orks, and Tyranids. I would like to see all the races back on the tabletop competitively again.

I would also like to see the gakky units in Tau and Necrons buffed up a bit to make them more viable choices.

Poor fething hellbrutes.

 Gamgee wrote:
Okay so what about everyone else? This helps the most powerful faction in the game get stronger.

What? The most powerful faction in the game is not Space Wolves, Blood Angels, or Grey Knights. Space Wolves are upper middle tier, and Grey Knights are low mid tier at best.

The ITC tournaments and space marine death stars beg to differ. Space Wolf deathstars are dominating the scene badly. To the point the power creep is so bad they are better than Eldar now. That's how far Space Marine power creep has set in.

Grey Knights taken with allies do wonders and place fairly well in ITC tournaments as well.

Only the Blood Angels truly needed it. When it comes time to buff the weaker factions and weaker units in better factions codices I hope the marine players are as generous with everyone else as themselves.

Surely everyone on the internet can be reasonable... right?

 DarknessEternal wrote:

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:
Did anyone ask for the Space Marine FAQ if the Iron Hands CT extends to non-Dread vehicles gaining IWND?

That question is specifically answered in the FAQ.

Thanks for letting me know. Iron Hands are definitely one of the strongest Gladius builds now.

 Gamgee wrote:
The ITC tournaments and space marine death stars beg to differ. Space Wolf deathstars are dominating the scene badly. To the point the power creep is so bad they are better than Eldar now. That's how far Space Marine power creep has set in.

Grey Knights taken with allies do wonders and place fairly well in ITC tournaments as well.

Only the Blood Angels truly needed it. When it comes time to buff the weaker factions and weaker units in better factions codices I hope the marine players are as generous with everyone else as themselves.

Surely everyone on the internet can be reasonable... right?

Spoiler:

Cherrypicking TWC, Draigo, and Sanguinary Priests for deathstars doesn't mean the codices are good. All it means is that Army of the Imperium and Battle Brothers are the best special rules in the game.

And buffing Dreads isn't going to make any of these armies more tournament viable. Dreads still get blown up and/or immobilized way too easily for 2 more Attacks to boost their tournament results.

 Gamgee wrote:
Okay so what about everyone else? This helps the most powerful faction in the game get stronger.

So what about the little guys? Poor Dark Eldar, Chaos Space Marines, Imperial Guard, Orks, and Tyranids. I would like to see all the races back on the tabletop competitively again.

I would also like to see the gakky units in Tau and Necrons buffed up a bit to make them more viable choices.

Poor fething hellbrutes.

This is more of an errata than a balancing fix. Those kind of fixes will need to wait for a true codex update. Also I'm sure if enough people raise a stink about the Deff Dread and Helbrutes' Attacks, they'll change those too once they get around to it.

Incidentally I'm writing several emails to them since I no longer use facebook

I don’t think boosting dreads is going to do much to change external codex balance. Top dogs are going to stay that way, and buffing dreads is not going to magically make them tournament caliber.

What it does is helps internal balance a bit. They become a slightly better choice, rather then just a trap pick. Still probably only going to be found on friendly tables.

It also helps to keep things consistent. It makes no sense that the paintjob affects the number of attacks, for what is fundamentally the same thing. This is an ongoing problem ever since the different chapters got non-supplemental books.

And yes, CSM hellbrutes should probably get some love as well. But I can understand that they might not want to include them in this blanket sweep. Hopefully they will get something later.

Oh you only have the best rules in the game to win. Okay carry on then. My Dark Eldar will just sit over here as you get free buffs.

So is that a yes or no to buffing other factions? What happens when it comes time to buff the Tau? Would you be okay if they made Kroot good in assault and melee again? How about if they buff our heavy rail rifle to str 9 and armorbane? And add armor bane to all of our railguns?

It's not likely to see competitive Tau usage, but would it still be okay?

Or how about if Dark Eldar were given a faction wide ability to jink and shoot due to their insane agility and accuracy even beyond their light kin? Would you be okay with that?

I just hope GW keeps on the path its going and buffs every weak faction and also the weakest units from all the factions a little. I don't need anything too insane here. The weaker the faction the more buffs it should get. In theory. I really hope it doesn't give into the largest group of players ideas for a fair and balanced game.