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So Ladies and Gents, it's time for my own personal reboot. I played FOR THE EMPRAH for a while, but the Imperium are getting stale, and besides, I haven't touched the hobby for a few years, so the rules have gotten a re-haul, so if I came back, i'd need fresh books and the like.

Chaos is really appealing to me (Especially Khorne and Slaneesh; I like Khorne, but I would probably be a Slaneeshi, let's be honest.) So I want to know;
What would be the most effective (and cheapest, although not a main priority, I have enough disposable income to throw around for now) Khorne/Slaneesh 500 point chaos army?

Thanks,
Dannyrulx

Just so you know Chaos Marines are the second worst codex in the game after Dark Eldar and you WILL lose games many many many more than you win. You may only win through luck.

If you can accept that then your good to go.

Chaos Deamons is very competitive. Chaos Renegades from FW are moderately competitive.

I regularly play Haflings in Blood Bowl.

Losing is something I do regularly, and laugh my ass off about. I'm fine with losing. I'll probably do Daemons over Marines, simply because I played a ton of actual marines back in the day.

Khorne Daemonkin Is a pretty decent army. It can actually win games and you can play it as 100% daemons. No CSM needed.

What are Slaneesh like?

Khorne Daemonkin is good. Khorne Dogs are really effective and at lower points, kind of scary I would think.

 Dannyrulx wrote:
What are Slaneesh like?

As Chaos Daemons, quite ok. As Chaos Space Marines... only worse than Nurgle, but still bad.

Regarding Chaos and outside Daemonkin, it's much better to NOT try mono-God.

Chaos or Chaos space marines?

because chase space marines you could buy a DV box and basically be done.

convert up all the DA stuff to EC and you would be set. that would get you half slannesh and half corn.

otherwise for regular Chaos you could probably easily get a 500 army with a box of daemonetts and a daemon prince.

 Dannyrulx wrote:
What are Slaneesh like?

My two loves for this game are Slaanesh and all flavours of the space elfs, weird right? Well slaneesh daemon units are meant to hit quick and hard, there basic troops have built in rending and high initiative, making them very deadly. Seekers are basically the same but calvery and the daemonette banners allow you to reduce the opponent units WS by D3 once.

 Gamgee wrote:
Just so you know Chaos Marines are the second worst codex in the game after Dark Eldar and you WILL lose games many many many more than you win. You may only win through luck.

If you can accept that then your good to go.

Chaos Deamons is very competitive. Chaos Renegades from FW are moderately competitive.

No I'd say Chaos Space Marines is defintiely a weaker codex than Dark Eldar, the new FAQ's dfidn't hurt us that much despite the rather silly hand ringing from some people.

 Imateria wrote:

 Gamgee wrote:
Just so you know Chaos Marines are the second worst codex in the game after Dark Eldar and you WILL lose games many many many more than you win. You may only win through luck.

If you can accept that then your good to go.

Chaos Deamons is very competitive. Chaos Renegades from FW are moderately competitive.

No I'd say Chaos Space Marines is defintiely a weaker codex than Dark Eldar, the new FAQ's dfidn't hurt us that much despite the rather silly hand ringing from some people.

So transport passengers have no protection and can now not move more than 6" without snap firing didn't hurt? Right. The only things Deldar had going for them was speed and access to plentiful special weapons, now both are useless.

Chaos Chaos. I'll probably pick up a box of Daemonettes and give 'em a splash of paint before I get the codes.

 cosmicsoybean wrote:

 Imateria wrote:

 Gamgee wrote:
Just so you know Chaos Marines are the second worst codex in the game after Dark Eldar and you WILL lose games many many many more than you win. You may only win through luck.

If you can accept that then your good to go.

Chaos Deamons is very competitive. Chaos Renegades from FW are moderately competitive.

No I'd say Chaos Space Marines is defintiely a weaker codex than Dark Eldar, the new FAQ's dfidn't hurt us that much despite the rather silly hand ringing from some people.

So transport passengers have no protection and can now not move more than 6" without snap firing didn't hurt? Right. The only things Deldar had going for them was speed and access to plentiful special weapons, now both are useless.

What? I don't think I've ever played it with the Flicker Field counting towards the guys inside the Venom and if you were moving more than 6" and firing the embarked units weapons at full BS you were very clearly breaking the rules anyway, you really didn't need an FAQ to be told that. The only thing that's really been hurt by the FAQ is Trueborn, but I'd much rather use Scourges for anti-tank anyway.

With Chaos you have plenty of great allies at this point in Chaos Deamons and now Renegade Knights. Even the best of the Knights with its double weapons load out.

Dark Eldar have nothing. They can ally with Eldar but then Eldar are so superior you may as well play Eldar. Dark Eldar Covens is okay but with Renegade Knights now being so good it boosts any Chaos Marines army sky high if you grab them. The new faq and errata have just destroyed the last "good" list they could make without going Covens army. Chaos also got great formations (By Dark Eldar standards) in their two updates supplements. So in NO WAY can I ever see Chaos Marines being as bad as the Dark Eldar have it. Even the IG can stomp them especially if its a high points game and they bring their decurion. Chaos players need to learn the shut the feth up at this point as your widely regarded as being the whiniest faction owners despite being showered with tons of stuff. I would love to get formations as Dark Eldar as good as the ones you got.

 Imateria wrote:

 cosmicsoybean wrote:

 Imateria wrote:

 Gamgee wrote:
Just so you know Chaos Marines are the second worst codex in the game after Dark Eldar and you WILL lose games many many many more than you win. You may only win through luck.

If you can accept that then your good to go.

Chaos Deamons is very competitive. Chaos Renegades from FW are moderately competitive.

No I'd say Chaos Space Marines is defintiely a weaker codex than Dark Eldar, the new FAQ's dfidn't hurt us that much despite the rather silly hand ringing from some people.

So transport passengers have no protection and can now not move more than 6" without snap firing didn't hurt? Right. The only things Deldar had going for them was speed and access to plentiful special weapons, now both are useless.

What? I don't think I've ever played it with the Flicker Field counting towards the guys inside the Venom and if you were moving more than 6" and firing the embarked units weapons at full BS you were very clearly breaking the rules anyway, you really didn't need an FAQ to be told that. The only thing that's really been hurt by the FAQ is Trueborn, but I'd much rather use Scourges for anti-tank anyway.

You never jinked with your vehicles?

pm713 wrote:

 Imateria wrote:

 cosmicsoybean wrote:

 Imateria wrote:

 Gamgee wrote:
Just so you know Chaos Marines are the second worst codex in the game after Dark Eldar and you WILL lose games many many many more than you win. You may only win through luck.

If you can accept that then your good to go.

Chaos Deamons is very competitive. Chaos Renegades from FW are moderately competitive.

No I'd say Chaos Space Marines is defintiely a weaker codex than Dark Eldar, the new FAQ's dfidn't hurt us that much despite the rather silly hand ringing from some people.

So transport passengers have no protection and can now not move more than 6" without snap firing didn't hurt? Right. The only things Deldar had going for them was speed and access to plentiful special weapons, now both are useless.

What? I don't think I've ever played it with the Flicker Field counting towards the guys inside the Venom and if you were moving more than 6" and firing the embarked units weapons at full BS you were very clearly breaking the rules anyway, you really didn't need an FAQ to be told that. The only thing that's really been hurt by the FAQ is Trueborn, but I'd much rather use Scourges for anti-tank anyway.

You never jinked with your vehicles?

Ok, ok, separate post guys. Let's keep this one on-topic.
I've also found the PERFECT replacement for those fethed-up Daemonettes GW sells:
http://www.ragingheroes.com/products/blood-vestals-command-group
Look better, I'm pretty sure that horn can be modded to look like one huuuuge er... 'Battery powered boyfriend,' and they're cheaper. Now I just need to find mounts, and I'm set!


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Oh, and the Void elves have different versions, and they're metal, so you can rough 'em up a bit without worrying, unlike the tissue-paper GW Resin.

AND COOL CAPTAINS THAT CAN BE USED AS HERALDS 'N DAEMON PRIMCES AND gak.

 Gamgee wrote:
Just so you know Chaos Marines are the second worst codex in the game after Dark Eldar and you WILL lose games many many many more than you win. You may only win through luck.

If you can accept that then your good to go.

Chaos Deamons is very competitive. Chaos Renegades from FW are moderately competitive.

Speak for your own meta. I rarely lose where I am at. And I play Vanilla Chaos. It all depends on what you bring, how you use it, and what formations you utilize for Chaos.

 Gamgee wrote:
With Chaos you have plenty of great allies at this point in Chaos Deamons and now Renegade Knights. Even the best of the Knights with its double weapons load out.

Dark Eldar have nothing. They can ally with Eldar but then Eldar are so superior you may as well play Eldar. Dark Eldar Covens is okay but with Renegade Knights now being so good it boosts any Chaos Marines army sky high if you grab them. The new faq and errata have just destroyed the last "good" list they could make without going Covens army. Chaos also got great formations (By Dark Eldar standards) in their two updates supplements. So in NO WAY can I ever see Chaos Marines being as bad as the Dark Eldar have it. Even the IG can stomp them especially if its a high points game and they bring their decurion. Chaos players need to learn the shut the feth up at this point as your widely regarded as being the whiniest faction owners despite being showered with tons of stuff. I would love to get formations as Dark Eldar as good as the ones you got.

The complaints about Chaos Marines is less about not being OP as hell like Marines/Tau/Eldar, and more or less the fact that there's no flavour or character of any kind...
Every Legion plays exactly the same - only difference are paint schemes. Our 'unique' rules are entirely self defeating. Our army is stuck firmly in 4th edition. And our model line is a clusterfethed dumpster fire.

And no, we don't get "tones of stuff". For the past 10-15 years, all we've gotten are carbon copies that have simply removed stuff, while everything that was unique & flavourful keeps getting passed around to everyone else and their mother, because... "reasons".
Model wise we've had the least amount of releases of everyone bar Sisters. Since 2012 we've had 2 dual kits, (Raptors/Talons + Fiends), the Helturkey, and the Helbrute. Yeah, that's being absolutely showered with love! Prior to that, our last model release was ****ing 2007!!

Dark Eldar are equally in a rough spot rules wise, but at least they get a frankly gorgeous model line, and they have Covens to play around with. (and the fomations from Covens are hands down superior to the "new" CSM ones).

(And Slaneeshi daemons look like 80-year-old transvestite ghouls from fallout with half-destroyed power klaws.)

 Darth_Mox wrote:

 Gamgee wrote:
Just so you know Chaos Marines are the second worst codex in the game after Dark Eldar and you WILL lose games many many many more than you win. You may only win through luck.

If you can accept that then your good to go.

Chaos Deamons is very competitive. Chaos Renegades from FW are moderately competitive.

Speak for your own meta. I rarely lose where I am at. And I play Vanilla Chaos. It all depends on what you bring, how you use it, and what formations you utilize for Chaos.

Then you have a meta of bunnies.

 Darth_Mox wrote:

 Gamgee wrote:
Just so you know Chaos Marines are the second worst codex in the game after Dark Eldar and you WILL lose games many many many more than you win. You may only win through luck.

If you can accept that then your good to go.

Chaos Deamons is very competitive. Chaos Renegades from FW are moderately competitive.

Speak for your own meta. I rarely lose where I am at. And I play Vanilla Chaos. It all depends on what you bring, how you use it, and what formations you utilize for Chaos.

Because you are playing with other bad players