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 d-usa wrote:

 Ouze wrote:

 d-usa wrote:
Care to link to the study?

Are you doubting that a actual poll listed The Daily Show as a news outlet?

I personally don't trust any poll that doesn't give The Onion any journalistic credit.

There's a lot odd in that list. Beyond including comedy shows as news outlets, one of which has been off the air since 2014 - something a partisan with an axe to grind might do, but I sort of doubt a actual polling company would do unless the question was phrased oddly - some things stood out as unlikely. The Daily Caller isn't there - and some other odd inclusions, like The Guardian, which isn't even a US news service.

 Gordon Shumway wrote:
Here is the study I believe he is referring to: http://www.journalism.org/2014/10/21/political-polarization-media-habits/

It's an interesting read, and ultimately what it shows is that conservatives tend to get their news from few sources (47% say Fox News) and liberals tend to get their news from a wide range of sources. It makes no claims as to if those sources themselves are liberal or conservative (as the poster seems to indicate), only the demographic makeup of who tends to consume them.

Ooooh, thanks. Reading this explains a lot, mostly that the source doesn't at all state what he claimed it did.

As a liberal, I must be a weird duck. I mostly watch Fox News, though I do switch to PBS during the News Hour. On the radio, the only two stations I have on my radio memory is a conservative talk station (Limbaugh, Hannity, Levin, Medved, etc.) and NPR (for the Science Fridays and Car Talk and Fresh Air interviews).

 Gordon Shumway wrote:
As a liberal, I must be a weird duck. I mostly watch Fox News, though I do switch to PBS during the News Hour. On the radio, the only two stations I have on my radio memory is a conservative talk station (Limbaugh, Hannity, Levin, Medved, etc.) and NPR (for the Science Fridays and Car Talk and Fresh Air interviews).

If I watch any news... it's CNN.

Still waiting if they've found that plane.

 Ouze wrote:

 Gordon Shumway wrote:
Here is the study I believe he is referring to: http://www.journalism.org/2014/10/21/political-polarization-media-habits/

It's an interesting read, and ultimately what it shows is that conservatives tend to get their news from few sources (47% say Fox News) and liberals tend to get their news from a wide range of sources. It makes no claims as to if those sources themselves are liberal or conservative (as the poster seems to indicate), only the demographic makeup of who tends to consume them.

Ooooh, thanks. Reading this explains a lot, mostly that the source doesn't at all state what he claimed it did.

It's interesting that the study doesn't make any claims of any kind regarding the political leanings and ideologies of the news sources, spend zero effort on looking at the ideology of any of the news sources, and wasn't designed to make any observation regarding the political or ideological leanings of news agencies.

It's a simple "what do you watch" and "who do you trust" poll.

We have pro-gun, anti-abortion, pro-death penalty, pro-military, pro-america people who look at Dakka. I guess it's a pretty conservative website for people who enjoy tabletop gaming.

 Ouze wrote:
For people who do not use facebook, here is what my trending section looks like today.

What? No Alex Jones? No Louder with Chowder? BIAS I SAY!!!

I can't believe FB doesn't want howling asshats in their news feed.

 whembly wrote:

If I watch any news... it's CNN.

Isn't that an oxymoron?

 Gordon Shumway wrote:
As a liberal, I must be a weird duck. I mostly watch Fox News, though I do switch to PBS during the News Hour. On the radio, the only two stations I have on my radio memory is a conservative talk station (Limbaugh, Hannity, Levin, Medved, etc.) and NPR (for the Science Fridays and Car Talk and Fresh Air interviews).

I don't really ever watch the news on TV. I get pretty much all of my news from various sites online. My political stuff I tend to get from RCP since it's a more or less random aggregation of political news stories. I usually try to avoid the absolute ends of the spectrum - Fox and NBC - since I feel like both have their thumbs on the scale but will go there to contrast their coverage of stuff sometimes. That being said I have found that for the last few elections running, Foxnews.com has consistently the best website layout and information available - when I follow the big races I check several networks and they always are really good in terms of information displayed.

Whoever designed CNN's website should be punished by having to watch CNN.

 d-usa wrote:

 whembly wrote:

If I watch any news... it's CNN.

Isn't that an oxymoron?

I check CNN all the time and I always immediately regret that choice, but I still do it all the time. It's very much like McDonalds in that regard. I know I'm making a bad choice and it's never turned out otherwise.

They're not liberal, so much as incoherent.

 Ouze wrote:

 Gordon Shumway wrote:
As a liberal, I must be a weird duck. I mostly watch Fox News, though I do switch to PBS during the News Hour. On the radio, the only two stations I have on my radio memory is a conservative talk station (Limbaugh, Hannity, Levin, Medved, etc.) and NPR (for the Science Fridays and Car Talk and Fresh Air interviews).

I don't really ever watch the news on TV. I get pretty much all of my news from various sites online. My political stuff I tend to get from RCP since it's a more or less random aggregation of political news stories. I usually try to avoid the absolute ends of the spectrum - Fox and NBC - since I feel like both have their thumbs on the scale but will go there to contrast their coverage of stuff sometimes. That being said I have found that for the last few elections running, Foxnews.com has consistently the best website layout and information available - when I follow the big races I check several networks and they always are really good in terms of information displayed.

I tend to do most of my online reading on RCP as well (with a healthy smattering of the WaPo.) Really, I think I watch Fox and listen to talk radio so much is for the lols (I'm just waiting for Levin to have a heart attack while on air). Plus, it helps to see why exactly certain people believe things that seem so utterly alien to my thinking.

 d-usa wrote:

 whembly wrote:

If I watch any news... it's CNN.

Isn't that an oxymoron?

Ha!

Walked into that one...


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 Ouze wrote:

 d-usa wrote:

 whembly wrote:

If I watch any news... it's CNN.

Isn't that an oxymoron?

I check CNN all the time and I always immediately regret that choice, but I still do it all the time. It's very much like McDonalds in that regard. I know I'm making a bad choice and it's never turned out otherwise.

They're not liberal, so much as incoherent.

Interesting... I prefer CNN's website.

I absolutely loathes FoxNew's layout.

 d-usa wrote:
That makes much more sense. And the "conservatives distrust more news sources" is on full display here with the "I don't agree with them, so they have a liberal bias" arguments.

So a handful of interviews with people with first hand experience on the matter (Former Facebook employees), teamed with more interviews from Television and network executives that all say that there is open discrimination against conservatives is completely irrelevant somehow then?

To some degree irrelevant as FB isn't a news publication, but more than that just a few interviews don't add up to a convincing body of evidence.

It's more than enough if a persecution complex is a strong part of your brand identity, however.

Why I watch Fox News, Local (KOUMO), and CNN. Three sources of confusion to assimilate

Stiff Fox News has hotter looking females

 Ouze wrote:
It's more than enough if a persecution complex is a strong part of your brand identity, however.

Ouze it gets a bit old that anyone who disagrees with your stance is automatically either Evil, stupid, ignorant or have some kind of complex. I really like debating and talking about politics and other issues in a more polite manner, but against you it comes down to insults and passive aggressive comments like

it's more than enough if a persecution complex is a strong part of your brand identity, however.

Can you be more civil?

 Jihadin wrote:
Why I watch Fox News, Local (KOUMO), and CNN. Three sources of confusion to assimilate

Stiff Fox News has hotter looking females

Yeah, it reminds me of The Watchmen's Adrian Viedt's ability to predict the future (consume vast quantiles of disparate sources of information to get a puzzle of reality). Plus, as you say, hot anchors.

SemperMortis wrote:

 Ouze wrote:
It's more than enough if a persecution complex is a strong part of your brand identity, however.

Ouze it gets a bit old that anyone who disagrees with your stance is automatically either Evil, stupid, ignorant or have some kind of complex. I really like debating and talking about politics and other issues in a more polite manner, but against you it comes down to insults and passive aggressive comments like

it's more than enough if a persecution complex is a strong part of your brand identity, however.

Can you be more civil?

There's a little yellow triangle you can hit if you think I'm breaking a rule. I'm not sure which one I'm breaking by pointing out that what appears to (now) be a significant element of conservatism is constant campaigns of butthurt over the most insipid of causes, like the war on christmas, people saying happy hollidays, and of course, complaining that some of the their most mediocre purveyors of dubious truths, like Breitbart, aren't getting equal facetime in a little box filled with news about Justin Bieber and reality TV show developments.

If you're upset that you were called out for misrepresenting a poll you provided as "evidence" when it didn't say what you think it said - I'm afraid that isn't being rude, even if revealing your errors makes you uncomfortable.

You act as if there isn't a persecution complex theme running through conservative talking points. Just see the 'war' on Christmas.

 skyth wrote:
You act as if there isn't a persecution complex theme running through conservative talking points. Just see the 'war' on Christmas.

Both ideologies has a persecution complex...

I'm at war with Xmas. I've been calling it Lucifer Landing Day

 skyth wrote:
You act as if there isn't a persecution complex theme running through conservative talking points. Just see the 'war' on Christmas.

To be fair, as a commie lefty liberal scum myself, I'd like to point both sides have a persecution complex, the right for thinking that Obama is coming after his Christmas/Guns/baby jesus and the left for thinking that the right wants to go back to a lawless wild west shootout.

Each sides have their pet causes, obviously. It just seems like some of the dumber louder stuff has been coming from the right, though, and with more frequency. I mean, look at the thread we're in! Look at the thread slightly below this about people arguing in presumably good faith that pedophiles are prevented from molesting children if they're not allowed to be in the bathroom! It's just gotten stranger and stranger.

Donald Trump is going to be the GOP nominee for president. To say things have taken a turn seems self evident at this point.

lmao at Yahoo News being "liberal." And the Washington Post? What is this 1975?

So we're just throwing news sources under random banners based on personal preference then?

 cuda1179 wrote:
Since Fox News is the highest rated news network (by a large margin), they are either a very liberal news network, or conservative news does sell.

Media plays what they want you to hear.

If every news network were willing to shill itself into a political propaganda platform that ignores the inconvenience of facts you might have a point. It's being really general to call a lot of Fox's programming "news." I overheard O'Reilly the other day. Guy is funnier than Colbert ever was.

 LordofHats wrote:

If every news network were willing to shill itself into a political propaganda platform that ignores the inconvenience of facts you might have a point. It's being really general to call a lot of Fox's programming "news." I overheard O'Reilly the other day. Guy is funnier than Colbert ever was.

Well... to be fair, MSNBC shills for the opposite of the FoxNews viewers... and, MSNBC is getting their asses kicked.

 d-usa wrote:
That makes much more sense. And the "conservatives distrust more news sources" is on full display here with the "I don't agree with them, so they have a liberal bias" arguments.

Reminds me of the Politic Junkies thread. Eh?


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 whembly wrote:

Well... to be fair, MSNBC shills for the opposite of the FoxNews viewers... and, MSNBC is getting their asses kicked.

Pretty sure they're number 3 behind Fox and CNN, aren't they? Well. They were like a year ago at least.

And I wouldn't call MSNBC shills for the "opposite of the Fox News viewers." MSNBC and Fox are both very special kinds of "news." Fox is unapologetic propaganda that equates anything that disagrees with the ideology of Rupert Murdoch as "bias." I doubt I'll ever see anything on MSNBC as insane as back to back commentators saying Donald Trump is all Obama's fault (because Obama elects the Republican nominee...). MSNBC at least acknowledges facts exist. They just love slanting them.

 LordofHats wrote:

 whembly wrote:

Well... to be fair, MSNBC shills for the opposite of the FoxNews viewers... and, MSNBC is getting their asses kicked.

Pretty sure they're number 3 behind Fox and CNN, aren't they? Well. They were like a year ago at least.

They're number 3.

I'm not sure of the exact numbers now as I'm sure the year's election cycle will skew the results a bit... but last year, Fox had double the number of views than MSNBC. At #2, CNN was closer to MSNBC than fox.

But... with this guy going to all the shows:

He's gold in the rating games. Goes to show that folks are still morbidly-fascinated by the impending trainwreck.

And I wouldn't call MSNBC shills for the "opposite of the Fox News viewers." MSNBC and Fox are both very special kinds of "news." Fox is unapologetic propaganda that equates anything that disagrees with the ideology of Rupert Murdoch as "bias." I doubt I'll ever see anything on MSNBC as insane as back to back commentators saying Donald Trump is all Obama's fault (because Obama elects the Republican nominee...). MSNBC at least acknowledges facts exist. They just love slanting them.

Oh... hell no. MSNBC shills to the left alright.

Besides, the election of Obama *is* partially to blame for Trump's rise. (Mostly, its the GOP's failure to tap into their constituents anger in the way the Trump has).

 jreilly89 wrote:

 skyth wrote:
You act as if there isn't a persecution complex theme running through conservative talking points. Just see the 'war' on Christmas.

To be fair, as a commie lefty liberal scum myself, I'd like to point both sides have a persecution complex, the right for thinking that Obama is coming after his Christmas/Guns/baby jesus and the left for thinking that the right wants to go back to a lawless wild west shootout.

The difference between these two persecution complexes being that the constitution backed by the supreme court robustly defends gun ownership and there is very few major restrictions, while in 2015 more people were shot by toddlers than by terrorists.

 Kilkrazy wrote:

 jreilly89 wrote:

 skyth wrote:
You act as if there isn't a persecution complex theme running through conservative talking points. Just see the 'war' on Christmas.

To be fair, as a commie lefty liberal scum myself, I'd like to point both sides have a persecution complex, the right for thinking that Obama is coming after his Christmas/Guns/baby jesus and the left for thinking that the right wants to go back to a lawless wild west shootout.

The difference between these two persecution complexes being that the constitution backed by the supreme court robustly defends gun ownership and there is very few major restrictions, while in 2015 more people were shot by toddlers than by terrorists.

Not in Africa
Not in Europe
Not in the Syria/the Artist Formerly Known As Iraq

It just proves that, in America, even our toddlers are dangerous than you are.

 whembly wrote:

He's gold in the rating games. Goes to show that folks are still morbidly-fascinated by the impending trainwreck.

It's what makes reality TV turn

Oh... hell no. MSNBC shills to the left alright.

Why? Because they report on issues important to the Left, generally side with them, and call the Right out on insipid BS? That's an argument for bias, but it's not remotely on par with the kind of stuff that gets pushed on Fox.

Besides, the election of Obama *is* partially to blame for Trump's rise. (Mostly, its the GOP's failure to tap into their constituents anger in the way the Trump has).

And this is why Fox news is it's own brand of special. Because it gets otherwise smart people to repeat this nonsense.

Obama has nothing to do with Trump beyond being a Democrat who beat classic Republicans in national elections twice. Trump's rise isn't about "tapping into anger" with Obama. It's about the GOP's failure to actually realize how far gone it's become. One of the great ironies is that Fox's "News" has heavily contributed to this, feeding a cycle of insanity in right wing politics where facts don't matter, everything else is a lie, and you should be angry angry ANGRY because America "sucks now" all based on dubious double speak about "traditional values", "Un-Americanism", and "make America great because the 'liberals' are ruining it." Fox created Trump. To watch them spend hours trying to say it's all Obama's fault is the greatest comedy I've seen in years. And by Fox I mean right wing politics, which have for years boxed themselves into an ideological corner doomed to explode on itself.

Trump isn't a creation of anyone or anything but right wing politics and its gradual collapse since the Bush administration failed to reignite that Reagan magic everyone has convinced themselves existed.