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So just curious because I see people ask about them alot. Then I see people post "it's left blank for user creation"

I've never actually seen or heard of someone creating their army and basing it off of 'TLaTD'.
I assume this is because most people like to base it off someone or something you know and can read about but add in a few twists. Also the fact that they will NEVER get their own specific codex or supplement. There is just too much grey area and even tho it's cool to the creator, it's impossible to have people really connect with your concepts as everyone has their own ideas about 'TLaTD'

In a community based off the storyline who would really care about someone's completely fictional army that has no active spot in the ongoing story? To me, that'd be the same as showing up to a match with a bunch of dragon models from 'the hobbit' and explaining how they all were once space marines. I'm sure you can already imagine the expression on the faces of the serious players.


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I'm also aware the title of this thread probably gave a few the impression that a new book was coming out. Lol

You mean the list that lets you use traitor guard?

Its fluffy in sense chaos is not just marines, deamons and chaos mook cultsts. And not every traitor is a chaos traitor...

 jhe90 wrote:
You mean the list that lets you use traitor guard?

Its fluffy in sense chaos is not just marines, deamons and chaos mook cultsts. And not every traitor is a chaos traitor...

I'm kinda confused here. I'm referring to the 2 legions stricken from imperial records.

Exactly. The phrase 'The Lost And The Damned' has popped up in a few places but it was in Codex: Eye Of Terror when that campaign was running.

It's used as a catch-all term for Chaos forces that aren't chaos marines. You could make a Lost And The Damned army with cultist-based chaos marines, or renegades & heretics (forgeworld) or traitor-painted guard.

There are no shortage of 'canonical' lost and the damned who have their appearance well defined, from the Blood Pact (Gaunts Ghosts) to the Stigmartus (Deathwatch), to the Volscani (Eye Of Terror campaign) to the Defenders of Vraks (Forgeworld).

Everyone does indeed have their own ideas. But you can follow through in this just the same as you would if creating your own space marine chapter. The Angels Unyielding didn't (as far as I know) exist before I just typed those two words, but I could easily come up with a backstory and colour scheme. They're not in the storyline either, but it's not hard to decide if a storyline or colour scheme fits the universe or not.

I have seen one back then, in the EoT-campaign.

I believe he is taking about the renegade guard role set aka the list and the damned, IMPERIAL ARMOR 13
I actually play them and am finishing up the army currently!
I run them as the sentences of vraks. The forces of the traitor cardinal xaphan, found in either the 3 siege of vraks imperial armours, 5, 6, and 7 or the compiled one, these also contain the rules for renegade guard but only for khorne, Nurgle and neutral forces
The IA13 book has all four chaos gods and other units not available to the defenders of vraks
They are Loads of fun , very unique with unlimited opportunities and options to convert and use other models! Very diverse and fun army with weird and very fun rules
Fmj


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I believe he is taking about the renegade guard role set aka the list and the damned, IMPERIAL ARMOR 13
I actually play them and am finishing up the army currently!
I run them as the sentences of vraks. The forces of the traitor cardinal xaphan, found in either the 3 siege of vraks imperial armours, 5, 6, and 7 or the compiled one, these also contain the rules for renegade guard but only for khorne, Nurgle and neutral forces
The IA13 book has all four chaos gods and other units not available to the defenders of vraks
They are Loads of fun , very unique with unlimited opportunities and options to convert and use other models! Very diverse and fun army with weird and very fun rules
Fmj

I'm kinda confused here. I'm referring to the 2 legions stricken from imperial records.

That's a phrase which has popped up recently - some of the heresy books refer to the missing two legion (2nd and 11th) as "the lost" and "the damned" - never, of course, explaining why. To be honest, you'll never - as you say - have a detailed 'canon' answer to what happened.

But equally, for that reason you're unlikely to have someone say "this is a 2nd legion army." But I've seen people do blackshield forces 'of unknown origin' many times since the most recent book came out.

I think this thread needs to be redone with a clearer title. I know they were referred to separately as "the lost" and "the damned" in a Horus Heresy novel, but I've never seen anyone IRL refer to the missing legions together as "the lost and the damned". Meanwhile "the lost and the damned" was an actual army list years ago for traitor guard plus chaos marines. So who even knows what the votes in this thread mean.

My Friend's chaos marine warband( the Forsaken) were fluffed as thunderwarriors/proto marines at one point.
Cant recall if they had elements from the lost legions.

Missing legions? Never to my knowledge.

Traitor Guard? We have two regular players who play them.

Not sure if troll or just missleading but there's usually six uses for "the lost and the damned":
1: Traitor guards list, was seen in the eye of terror campaign and titled "lost and the damned".
2: The legion of the damned space marines (firedrakes!).
3: A catch all term for chaos space marines.
4: The lost 13th great wolf company. They're stuck in the eye of terror.
5: The cursed founding of space marines. Sometimes reffered to as "the damned".
6: The two missing primarchs.

I'd suggest you change the title to "have you seen armies based on the two missing primarchs?"

You forgot the 13th founding which is referred to as the lost and the damned as well. That's who I thought he was referring to, with the Black Dragons and some of the other esoteric chapters of space marines of mysterious and cursed origins.

Would that be the cursed founding or the 13th great wolf company? You know, the ones that got lost in the warp and (turned into wulfen) damned by their gene seed? Guess I should edit in them both though I can't quite recall the details on the "cursed founding". It's pretty vauge.

I thought the two missing legions were referred to as the lost and the purged, not the lost and the damned.

Wasn't TLatD a source book for chaos (in both fantasty and 40K) waaaay back when?

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My work in progress space marine army is going to be hinted at being connected to the11th legion and goes with the whole theory that the ultramarines absorbed members from the purged legions. Ill probably have a few XIII markings on shoulder pads or vehicle panels but with each one having some scratches or stripped paint cutting across the last two II.

 Vankraken wrote:
My work in progress space marine army is going to be hinted at being connected to the11th legion and goes with the whole theory that the ultramarines absorbed members from the purged legions. Ill probably have a few XIII markings on shoulder pads or vehicle panels but with each one having some scratches or stripped paint cutting across the last two II.

Nice, that's probably the most credible one I've heard as it ties into the hints they've dropped in the lore.

I'd imagine it would be alot easier for people to make more wh40k based chapters if they dropped a few more hints for the fans to run off of

The only real reference is that one picture with the assassin dude sitting in the throne with two skulls on either arm, with a II and an XIII under each skull.

I thought about using the Two lost legions as my backdrop for my Chapter's (Basing them off the Clans in Battletech) but that would be a hard sell fluff wise.

20 Clans
20 Chapters

dang I need to start a blog being I on Clan Coyote, Clan Wolf and Clan Jade Falcon being worked on now

Debilitate wrote:
The only real reference is that one picture with the assassin dude sitting in the throne with two skulls on either arm, with a II and an XIII under each skull.

I think that was Malcador, the Sigilite.