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Ok so since I did not find this in the forum I am making one lol.

So I just had a discussion in my 40k group on FB about the Dark Angels secrets actually make Slaanesh stronger because of the Keeper of Secrets. I deny this because well I am a Dark Angel fan and loyal to the Emperor. But in all seriousness I have yet to find any actual evidence to support these Chaos claims. Although I do find it an interesting theory I simply don't believe it because the Keeper of Secrets would have led whats remain of the Dark Angels to Chaos on top of the the Watcher in the Dark who live on Caliban/Rock fight against chaos. I am sure these little guys would have done something by now if the Dark Angels were empowering Slaanesh.

So I ask you all what are your thoughts on this subject?
   
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Of course they empower Slaanesh. All emotions, loyal or heretic, are reflected in the warp and are drawn to the Chaos God those emotions embody. The Chaos Gods aren't actually evil, they are simply human emotions taken to the most illogical extremes because that's what they are, emotions that coalesced and gain a form of sentience. If a Dark Angle was training with his sword 24/7, wanting to perfect the art of swordsmanship and become the new chapter champion, that Dark Angle empowers Slaanesh in his drive for excess.

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It depends on where they believe those powers come from. You empower a God by your belief in them and holding faith to them.
The warp is a cesspool of human emotion, so you are just as likely to feed 1 or the other depending on where your beliefs lie.
The Emperor is just as much a keeper of Secrets as any other God.

If he holds faith in the emperor, then that probably empowers the emperor more then it would slaneesh... but then again who really holds faith in the emperor and also harbors xenos in their fortress?
   
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 ALEXisAWESOME wrote:
If a Dark Angle was training with his sword 24/7, wanting to perfect the art of swordsmanship and become the new chapter champion, that Dark Angle empowers Slaanesh in his drive for excess.



coughluciuscough

And everyone knows the Dark Angels are closet heretics

For real though, they probably are. The warp is just everybodies dreams, emotions and nightmares made material. As said by the guy I quoted, perfection, love, jealousy, pain etc.

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 The_Lion wrote:
Ok so since I did not find this in the forum I am making one lol.

So I just had a discussion in my 40k group on FB about the Dark Angels secrets actually make Slaanesh stronger because of the Keeper of Secrets. I deny this because well I am a Dark Angel fan and loyal to the Emperor. But in all seriousness I have yet to find any actual evidence to support these Chaos claims. Although I do find it an interesting theory I simply don't believe it because the Keeper of Secrets would have led whats remain of the Dark Angels to Chaos on top of the the Watcher in the Dark who live on Caliban/Rock fight against chaos. I am sure these little guys would have done something by now if the Dark Angels were empowering Slaanesh.

So I ask you all what are your thoughts on this subject?


It's just a meme. The DA aren't heretics. The GKs have a gak-ton of secrets, too, and no one goes around suspecting them of consorting with the daemon. I would say it's all jealousy because the First Legion has the best termies and bikers, but we all know that that's no longer true

   
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The answer, of course, is both yes and no. Any emotional energies go into the Warp and feed whatever Chaos God they are reflective of, however, if they are released in worship of a specific God, then they go to that God instead of where they would naturally go. This means that intense prayer would, actually, feed whatever little ball of nascent God the God-Emperor of Mankind is in 40k. In the same vein, Interrogator-Chaplains would probably feed Slaanesh a fair amount with their kinky funtime, since it isn't done in worship of the Emperor, and the pain energies (along with whatever pleasure of the Interrogator takes from the action) would go into the Warp to feed Slaaneshi Daemons. In the same vein, rage, despair, etc. all have the potential to feed the Emperor or whatever Chaos God they represent.
And, obviously, once the Dark Angel dies, his soul goes straight to the Emperor (or whatever his Warp equivalent is), since the Dark Angel worships the Emperor with every fiber of his being.
Source(s): Realms of Chaos: the Lost and the Damned, Talon of Horus, Codex: Chaos Space Marines(latest edition).
   
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 the_Armyman wrote:
 The_Lion wrote:
Ok so since I did not find this in the forum I am making one lol.

So I just had a discussion in my 40k group on FB about the Dark Angels secrets actually make Slaanesh stronger because of the Keeper of Secrets. I deny this because well I am a Dark Angel fan and loyal to the Emperor. But in all seriousness I have yet to find any actual evidence to support these Chaos claims. Although I do find it an interesting theory I simply don't believe it because the Keeper of Secrets would have led whats remain of the Dark Angels to Chaos on top of the the Watcher in the Dark who live on Caliban/Rock fight against chaos. I am sure these little guys would have done something by now if the Dark Angels were empowering Slaanesh.

So I ask you all what are your thoughts on this subject?


It's just a meme. The DA aren't heretics. The GKs have a gak-ton of secrets, too, and no one goes around suspecting them of consorting with the daemon. I would say it's all jealousy because the First Legion has the best termies and bikers, but we all know that that's no longer true


The amount of heresy you just spat in comparing the direct genetic sons of the Emperor with an imperial mandate to Secrecy to the Xenos harboring, killers of loyal chaplains enforcing the Emperor's edicts, chapter first imperium second Dark Angels... I feel like anyone that reads this needs to be executed or mindscrubbed at least for being subjected to such heresy.
   
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The Dark Angels are compleately loyal. Thats why they slaughter armies of guardsmen and do the will of daemons! Wait... Dark Angels are just heretics who pretend to be loyalists. They jump into battles against chaos, And then kill boyth sides (Incase one of the guardsmen might have figured out one of the chaos soldiers trying to kill him might have been a dark angel once)



And from what I hear of Curse of the Wulfen,
Spoiler:
They are obeying a daemon and attacking the true loyalist Space Wolves.

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I'd suggest that keeping a secret in that context is more likely to empower Tzeentch, since Tzeentch is the that feeds off intrigue and trickery and so on. Slaanesh cares for excess, with excessive pursuit of perfection being a key one (see Legion III: The Emperor's Children).


 
   
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Merellin wrote:
The Dark Angels are compleately loyal. Thats why they slaughter armies of guardsmen and do the will of daemons! Wait... Dark Angels are just heretics who pretend to be loyalists. They jump into battles against chaos, And then kill boyth sides (Incase one of the guardsmen might have figured out one of the chaos soldiers trying to kill him might have been a dark angel once)



And from what I hear of Curse of the Wulfen,
Spoiler:
They are obeying a daemon and attacking the true loyalist Space Wolves.

You should listen to someone else. That isn't close to what's happening. Just more rubbish that everyone seemed to spout about the book.

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It's half true in a way (at least, the Daemon part). The Changling definitely influenced the DAs in CotW. However you can hardly blame them for not realising that one Dark Angel controlling the comms array is actually a shape shifting trickster daemon not even the GK can easily discern.

If even a Farseer can't see that the Harlequin performing in front of them is actually the Changeling in disguise, I highly doubt joe schmo DA would be.
   
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Merellin wrote:
They jump into battles against chaos, And then kill boyth sides (Incase one of the guardsmen might have figured out one of the chaos soldiers trying to kill him might have been a dark angel once)


I don't see the issue here. They clearly kill the guardsmen because they're aware of how chaos works. If the guardsmen are tainted and turn to chaos, it'll be a lot worse for the imperium of man than losing a few guardsmen. The DA are just doing what needs to be done.
   
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 the_Armyman wrote:
 The_Lion wrote:
Ok so since I did not find this in the forum I am making one lol.

So I just had a discussion in my 40k group on FB about the Dark Angels secrets actually make Slaanesh stronger because of the Keeper of Secrets. I deny this because well I am a Dark Angel fan and loyal to the Emperor. But in all seriousness I have yet to find any actual evidence to support these Chaos claims. Although I do find it an interesting theory I simply don't believe it because the Keeper of Secrets would have led whats remain of the Dark Angels to Chaos on top of the the Watcher in the Dark who live on Caliban/Rock fight against chaos. I am sure these little guys would have done something by now if the Dark Angels were empowering Slaanesh.

So I ask you all what are your thoughts on this subject?


It's just a meme. The DA aren't heretics. The GKs have a gak-ton of secrets, too, and no one goes around suspecting them of consorting with the daemon. I would say it's all jealousy because the First Legion has the best termies and bikers, but we all know that that's no longer true


I definitely agree with this and a very interesting point. If the DA secrets are feeding Slaanesh or Chaos god of change then would that not also be the same for the GK who hunt and kill daemons. Would they also empower the Chaos Gods?

Also DA do have the best Terminators and Bikers aka Black Knights!
   
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It's the purity in the action that effects the emotional rollover in the warp.
The best example I can give of this is Killing Lucious(Emperor's children) if his slayer takes pleasure in the act or their skill in besting him, they have a very very high chance of being possessed by him. I.e. Angel Exterminatus the Raven Guard who killed him took no pleasure in the act hence was not possessed.
   
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 Blitzen the Solitaire wrote:
It's the purity in the action that effects the emotional rollover in the warp.
The best example I can give of this is Killing Lucious(Emperor's children) if his slayer takes pleasure in the act or their skill in besting him, they have a very very high chance of being possessed by him. I.e. Angel Exterminatus the Raven Guard who killed him took no pleasure in the act hence was not possessed.



Really that is interesting. I did not read Angel Exterminatus so I don't know about that, but wouldn't Lucious stay dead then? I was under the impression every time he gets killed he posses the person that kill him??

So if its base off of act then wouldn't you say that all of the efforts the DA put into clearing their name (even though secretly) and severing the Emperor and the Imperium would be for the Emperor instead of empowering Chaos?
   
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 The_Lion wrote:
 Blitzen the Solitaire wrote:
It's the purity in the action that effects the emotional rollover in the warp.
The best example I can give of this is Killing Lucious(Emperor's children) if his slayer takes pleasure in the act or their skill in besting him, they have a very very high chance of being possessed by him. I.e. Angel Exterminatus the Raven Guard who killed him took no pleasure in the act hence was not possessed.



Really that is interesting. I did not read Angel Exterminatus so I don't know about that, but wouldn't Lucious stay dead then? I was under the impression every time he gets killed he posses the person that kill him??

So if its base off of act then wouldn't you say that all of the efforts the DA put into clearing their name (even though secretly) and severing the Emperor and the Imperium would be for the Emperor instead of empowering Chaos?


Its was the first time he was defeated tho... so I'm not sure if his ability started after that or not. His ability to possess people is based off the emotions his killer has in defeating him. Delighting in their own sublime skill or whatever.
It is possible but I was under the impression they are putting effort into clearing their name before anyone finds out about it, in an effort to protect their honor. Comparing it with my point about Lucious tho, I'd imagine it depends on the individual Dark Angel and his own reasoning. Probably helps they keep anyone not in the 1st and 2nd company in the dark about it all.
   
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 Blitzen the Solitaire wrote:
 The_Lion wrote:
 Blitzen the Solitaire wrote:
It's the purity in the action that effects the emotional rollover in the warp.
The best example I can give of this is Killing Lucious(Emperor's children) if his slayer takes pleasure in the act or their skill in besting him, they have a very very high chance of being possessed by him. I.e. Angel Exterminatus the Raven Guard who killed him took no pleasure in the act hence was not possessed.



Really that is interesting. I did not read Angel Exterminatus so I don't know about that, but wouldn't Lucious stay dead then? I was under the impression every time he gets killed he posses the person that kill him??

So if its base off of act then wouldn't you say that all of the efforts the DA put into clearing their name (even though secretly) and severing the Emperor and the Imperium would be for the Emperor instead of empowering Chaos?


Its was the first time he was defeated tho... so I'm not sure if his ability started after that or not. His ability to possess people is based off the emotions his killer has in defeating him. Delighting in their own sublime skill or whatever.
It is possible but I was under the impression they are putting effort into clearing their name before anyone finds out about it, in an effort to protect their honor. Comparing it with my point about Lucious tho, I'd imagine it depends on the individual Dark Angel and his own reasoning. Probably helps they keep anyone not in the 1st and 2nd company in the dark about it all.


I see I really hate Lucious ever since they introduce him. Still I should read up to figure out how his powers work.

Yes the DA don't want people to find out and they would normally kill you if you do find out but there has been some cases where they don't care. For example Ragnar Blackmane a Wolf Lord knows the secret as well as the GK. Think there might be a few others but obliviously not many.
   
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Slaanesh's portfolio is sensation: A Dark Angel's fear of discovery and elation at a successful cover-up operation will feed Slaanesh.

Actual plotting and scheming and overthinking falls under Tzeentch, but at the same time the fact they are devoted to averting change, keeping things constant and stagnant which falls under Nurgle.

Humanity feeds chaos by its very existence, this is the truth the Cabal revealed to Alpharius, and the reason he sided with Horus: So that humanity might lead itself to extinction sooner rather than later, for the good of the galaxy.

 
   
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A couple of secrets/slight anger/scheming/enabling the status quo are a drop in the ocean of billions upon billions of people doing the same thing.

One chapter of marines doesn't make a meaningful contribution to any god.


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I always thought keeper of secerts was reffering to taboo. Like he is the keeper of your most perverted desires you hide from the wolrd. The true slaanesh theme.

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OgreChubbs wrote:
I always thought keeper of secerts was reffering to taboo. Like he is the keeper of your most perverted desires you hide from the wolrd. The true slaanesh theme.


outside of memes, Slaanesh is much, MUCH more than "ohh, boobies and other naughty bits!"

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 Brennonjw wrote:
OgreChubbs wrote:
I always thought keeper of secerts was reffering to taboo. Like he is the keeper of your most perverted desires you hide from the wolrd. The true slaanesh theme.


outside of memes, Slaanesh is much, MUCH more than "ohh, boobies and other naughty bits!"
taboo is not only sexual you know right? It means things you get pleasure from but probly shouldnt. Say if you get off cutting people into hundreds of pieces then eating them. Or through setting people on fire. Deep dark secerts we all have but we do not let out. A secert.

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 Griddlelol wrote:
A couple of secrets/slight anger/scheming/enabling the status quo are a drop in the ocean of billions upon billions of people doing the same thing.

One chapter of marines doesn't make a meaningful contribution to any god.


Don't know about that. That's the kind of reasoning that'll get you daemonic invasions. 1000 people fuelling chaos is 1000 too many. 1000 people that have a fleet and can get stuff done on a disproportionately large scale....

The way I see it working is that secrets and lies- deception and plots are tzeentch territory.
Secret SHAME and guilt are definitely Slaanesh territory. The Excesses of Slaanesh aren't tolerated in polite society and must be hidden until the chaos forces can rise up.

Stabbing your brother in the back?

A: Did you whisper just as planned and smirk? Tzeentch.
B: Then lick the blade, shuddering with the excitement of the act? Slaanesh.
B(i): Did you do so remorsefully, forced to cover your tracks and consumed by the guilt of your compounding lies and betrayal? Slaanesh.
B(ii): Did you do so remorsefully, forced to cover your tracks and consumed by the guilt of your compounding lies and betrayal- because you are being manipulated by a master schemer? Tzeentch again.
C: With a chain axe while screaming incoherently? Khorne.
D: Morosely opining that all things must be brought low,and that despite trying so hard and coming so far, in the end, it doesn't even matter? Nurgle.

So I reckon DA are empowering Slaanesh and Tzeentch alternately with their elaborate coverups and betrayals.
   
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 Griddlelol wrote:
A couple of secrets/slight anger/scheming/enabling the status quo are a drop in the ocean of billions upon billions of people doing the same thing.

One chapter of marines doesn't make a meaningful contribution to any god.


This is a matter of quality I would think. I'd say 1 pure space marine falling would be equal to 1000 normal humans. That's why horus sacrificed his chief astropath to initially communicate with chaos over just a regular astropath.
   
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Captain Thalco wrote:
Merellin wrote:
They jump into battles against chaos, And then kill boyth sides (Incase one of the guardsmen might have figured out one of the chaos soldiers trying to kill him might have been a dark angel once)


I don't see the issue here. They clearly kill the guardsmen because they're aware of how chaos works. If the guardsmen are tainted and turn to chaos, it'll be a lot worse for the imperium of man than losing a few guardsmen. The DA are just doing what needs to be done.


Guardsmen who are exposed to chaos are not general simply executed, they would however be candidates to become servitors or if they were higher ranking be sworn to secrecy (if not already aware of chaos in the case of things like commissars) otherwise they would be shipped to the front lines of another conflict, no use wasting a good soldier who can eat a bullet for the emperor. In the 5th edition gray knights codex they even had the henchmen using said guardsman at times. I think it mostly boils down to if they are exposed to chaos there is a small chance they will be killed but there is a larger chance that their role in the imperium just got a whole lot more interesting, exciting, and dangerous.


Brennonjw wrote:
OgreChubbs wrote:
I always thought keeper of secerts was reffering to taboo. Like he is the keeper of your most perverted desires you hide from the wolrd. The true slaanesh theme.


outside of memes, Slaanesh is much, MUCH more than "ohh, boobies and other naughty bits!"


not exactly. slaneesh seeks perfection, the perfect drug, he perfect technique, the perfect sex it is all one and the same. slaneesh equals temptation which might mean sex to some of being the best swordsman to others. a crack head would on the other hand seek the biggest best high over with of the other options. This is why on the tabletop the warriors of slaneesh have such high initiatives and WS. They have so practiced in their combat techniques that it makes even space marines usually pale in comparison.

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The Dark Angels do indeed have terrible secret dark rituals that greatly feed Slaanesh:
"Oh, Brother Asmodai! Yes, spank me! I've been heretical!"
"Feel the Emperor's judgement, Azrael!"
"Oooh, yes!"

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 Gashrog wrote:
Slaanesh's portfolio is sensation: A Dark Angel's fear of discovery and elation at a successful cover-up operation will feed Slaanesh.

Actual plotting and scheming and overthinking falls under Tzeentch, but at the same time the fact they are devoted to averting change, keeping things constant and stagnant which falls under Nurgle.

Humanity feeds chaos by its very existence, this is the truth the Cabal revealed to Alpharius, and the reason he sided with Horus: So that humanity might lead itself to extinction sooner rather than later, for the good of the galaxy.


That was only or majority of the Cabal that believed that. They wanted to sacrafice the human race to destroy chaos for good but however the other part of the Cable the Eldar Ulwich(or however you spell his name) only said that was one possibility (Unremembered Empire) and that the cabal did not show them everything.
   
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 Blitzen the Solitaire wrote:
 Griddlelol wrote:
A couple of secrets/slight anger/scheming/enabling the status quo are a drop in the ocean of billions upon billions of people doing the same thing.

One chapter of marines doesn't make a meaningful contribution to any god.


This is a matter of quality I would think. I'd say 1 pure space marine falling would be equal to 1000 normal humans. That's why horus sacrificed his chief astropath to initially communicate with chaos over just a regular astropath.


There's a difference between falling or being sacrificed to being angry over something/etc.



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 G00fySmiley wrote:

not exactly. slaneesh seeks perfection, the perfect drug, he perfect technique, the perfect sex it is all one and the same. slaneesh equals temptation which might mean sex to some of being the best swordsman to others. a crack head would on the other hand seek the biggest best high over with of the other options. This is why on the tabletop the warriors of slaneesh have such high initiatives and WS. They have so practiced in their combat techniques that it makes even space marines usually pale in comparison.


Isn't that more Emperors Children and Fulgrim than Slaanesh?

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 JustALittleOrkish wrote:
 G00fySmiley wrote:

not exactly. slaneesh seeks perfection, the perfect drug, he perfect technique, the perfect sex it is all one and the same. slaneesh equals temptation which might mean sex to some of being the best swordsman to others. a crack head would on the other hand seek the biggest best high over with of the other options. This is why on the tabletop the warriors of slaneesh have such high initiatives and WS. They have so practiced in their combat techniques that it makes even space marines usually pale in comparison.


Isn't that more Emperors Children and Fulgrim than Slaanesh?


It sure does. the Emperors Children where all about that and went crazy for it I think.
   
 
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