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Good morning all. I am working on my next HH army and wanted to get some CC on it. Currently, all that has been ordered unit wise is Sevatar, the tacticals, Night Raptors and one of the Contemptors.

+++ VIII Legiones Astartes Night Lords Horror Cult (2495pts) +++
+ HQ (320pts) +
Legion Centurion (145pts) [Artificer Armour, Melta Bombs, Plasma Pistol, Power Weapon, Refractor Field, Trophies of Judgement]
····Consul (35pts) [Chaplain]

Sevatar (175pts)

+ Troops (1130pts) +
Legion Tactical Squad (250pts) [14x Legion Tactical Space Marines, Legion Vexilla, Trophies of Judgement]
····Legion Tactical Sergeant (15pts) [Melta Bombs, Nostraman Chainglaive]

Night Raptor Squad (440pts) [Meltagun, 14x Night Raptor, 2x Nostraman Chainglaive, Trophies of Judgement]
····Huntmaster (30pts) [Melta Bombs, Nostraman Chainglaive, Plasma Pistol]

Night Raptor Squad (440pts) [Meltagun, 14x Night Raptor, 2x Nostraman Chainglaive, Trophies of Judgement]
····Huntmaster (30pts) [Melta Bombs, Nostraman Chainglaive, Plasma Pistol]

+ Elites (610pts) +
Contemptor-Mortis Dreadnought (195pts) [Extra Armour, Two Twin-linked Lascannons]

Contemptor-Mortis Dreadnought (195pts) [Extra Armour, Two Twin-linked Lascannons]

Legion Terminator Squad (220pts) [4x Legion Terminators, 1x Legion Terminator Sgt with combi bolter and Chain Glaive, 4x Power Fist, Tartaros Terminator Armour with Combi-bolter and Power Weapon, Trophies of Judgement]

+ Lord of War (435pts) +
Konrad Curze (435pts) - Master of the Legion


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Curze and the Terminators are a nice to have, but not key players. I was giving some thought to armoured units, or jet bikes or Javelins.

I am starting with my night lords, so I may not have all the key to answer, but I have some questions:

1/ Why not giving some power weapon to the raptor?

2/ Curze comes with a Raptor unit or with the termies?

3/ why not taking talon dreadnought in pod to send them in the enemy lines?

4/ don't you think 3 units of raptor may be better than 2 and a tactical squad?

 KalethNL wrote:
I am starting with my night lords, so I may not have all the key to answer, but I have some questions:

1/ Why not giving some power weapon to the raptor?

2/ Curze comes with a Raptor unit or with the termies?

3/ why not taking talon dreadnought in pod to send them in the enemy lines?

4/ don't you think 3 units of raptor may be better than 2 and a tactical squad?

1/ The Huntsman and two additional Raptors have chain glaives, so three per squad.

2/ Undecided at this time. Any recommendations? I was looking at using the Terminators to teleport assault where ever Sevatar requires them.

3/ I went with Contemptor Mortis pattern dreadnoughts for some standoff antitank and anti-aircraft fire power.

4/ Three full squads of Raptors, WRT points, are expensive. I like large squads in my Legion lists, so three smaller ten Raptor squads does not appeal to me, and three full squads was way to many points. hence, the Tactical squad. I really enjoy tactical squads; cheap, Fury of the Legion and numbers to back it.

Still unsure of the Chaplain. I would really like a Primus Medicae to back up Sevatar when I attach him to the tacticals. Maybe the special character. Does anyone have any play time with him?

Mat

The more I play with the list, the more I notice the lack of direct, long range anti-armour weapons.

Are the Contemptors going to be enough? I think pushing Curze down to my alternate/ Primarch list would give me the points needed for some more units. But what? Fast units, medium armour?

Mat

Did you think using leviathan dreadnought?

I have seen other list using them, but I don't know if they are good for this kind of list.

I did not really give the Leviathan much thought. They seem extremely tough, good mid range shooting and very stabby. But very point heavy.

Is it a good trade off for Curze?

kitted out right (and assuming you get the charge) the thing can solo knights and certain primarchs, however don't discount Curze, he can be a very strong force multiplier and marine/terminator shredder

honestly i would drop the 2 dreads and pick up a spartan with flare shield, armored ceramite and dozer to transport the terminators . same firepower and better survivability and should have a few points left over.

Danit wrote:
honestly i would drop the 2 dreads and pick up a spartan with flare shield, armored ceramite and dozer to transport the terminators . same firepower and better survivability and should have a few points left over.

That would be a massive waste imo. It's only 5 terminators, AND night lord terminators can deep strike.

or you can transport the 15 doods running on foot and use the saved points to give those terminators combi weapons and teleporters. you should even have enough pts left over to give them CCW

I have a Spartan in my XII Legion, and it does work well. I do not want to use the Spartan as my "go to" Legion vehicle.

I am pro-Mortis, as they fill a great dual role. Curze looks extremely lethal, but at that point cost I might be able to sub in two, maybe three other units.

Leviathan seems like a brute, but another point heavy unit.

Brennonjw wrote:

Danit wrote:
honestly i would drop the 2 dreads and pick up a spartan with flare shield, armored ceramite and dozer to transport the terminators . same firepower and better survivability and should have a few points left over.

That would be a massive waste imo. It's only 5 terminators, AND night lord terminators can deep strike.

Danit wrote:or you can transport the 15 doods running on foot and use the saved points to give those terminators combi weapons and teleporters. you should even have enough pts left over to give them CCW

I am by no means an expert, but I like this idea. If sevetar is joining the tacticals then it gives him more survivability and it means you have less need of fnp on the unit so you can keep the chaplain to buff their cc ability. Another idea could be to give the chaplain a jump pack and stick him in a unit of raptors with curze to make a killy squad even more murderous, or make the chaplain into a primus medicae with a jump pack and stick him in the same unit to buff said units survivability. I know you said you like larger units but you could get away with 3 units of 11 raptors and they would still count as outnumbering 20 man tactical blobs for the purpose of a talent for murder, just as a thought.

snykyninja wrote:

Brennonjw wrote:

Danit wrote:
honestly i would drop the 2 dreads and pick up a spartan with flare shield, armored ceramite and dozer to transport the terminators . same firepower and better survivability and should have a few points left over.

That would be a massive waste imo. It's only 5 terminators, AND night lord terminators can deep strike.

Danit wrote:or you can transport the 15 doods running on foot and use the saved points to give those terminators combi weapons and teleporters. you should even have enough pts left over to give them CCW

I am by no means an expert, but I like this idea. If sevetar is joining the tacticals then it gives him more survivability and it means you have less need of fnp on the unit so you can keep the chaplain to buff their cc ability. Another idea could be to give the chaplain a jump pack and stick him in a unit of raptors with curze to make a killy squad even more murderous, or make the chaplain into a primus medicae with a jump pack and stick him in the same unit to buff said units survivability. I know you said you like larger units but you could get away with 3 units of 11 raptors and they would still count as outnumbering 20 man tactical blobs for the purpose of a talent for murder, just as a thought.

only problem is i think 3 units of 11 would cost more than your 2 of 15

Danit wrote:

snykyninja wrote:

Brennonjw wrote:

Danit wrote:
honestly i would drop the 2 dreads and pick up a spartan with flare shield, armored ceramite and dozer to transport the terminators . same firepower and better survivability and should have a few points left over.

That would be a massive waste imo. It's only 5 terminators, AND night lord terminators can deep strike.

Danit wrote:or you can transport the 15 doods running on foot and use the saved points to give those terminators combi weapons and teleporters. you should even have enough pts left over to give them CCW

I am by no means an expert, but I like this idea. If sevetar is joining the tacticals then it gives him more survivability and it means you have less need of fnp on the unit so you can keep the chaplain to buff their cc ability. Another idea could be to give the chaplain a jump pack and stick him in a unit of raptors with curze to make a killy squad even more murderous, or make the chaplain into a primus medicae with a jump pack and stick him in the same unit to buff said units survivability. I know you said you like larger units but you could get away with 3 units of 11 raptors and they would still count as outnumbering 20 man tactical blobs for the purpose of a talent for murder, just as a thought.

only problem is i think 3 units of 11 would cost more than your 2 of 15

Correct. The jump Chaplain or Primus Medicae reads like a sound idea. That might be a plan.

Mat

So this is what I would do; but do remember I'm very new to 30k and I haven't been playing 40k for that long either, so I'm far from the best person to listen too and it may even be a good idea to discount this suggestion entirely.

HQ:
- Legion Centurion - Primus Medicae, Artificer Armour, Refractor Field, Jump Pack, Trophies of Judgement, Melta Bombs, Nostraman Chainglaive - 150
- Sevatar - 175

Troops:
- Legion Tactical Squad (15) - Additional CCWs, Trophies of Judgement, Sergeant (Artificer Armour, Melta Bombs, Nostraman Chainglaive) - 280
- Night Raptor Squad (12) - Trophies of Judgement, 2x Nostraman Chainglaives, Meltagun, Huntmaster (Artificer Armour, Nostraman Chainglaive, Melta Bombs) - 375
- Night Raptor Squad (12) - Trophies of Judgement, 2x Nostraman Chainglaives, Meltagun, Huntmaster (Artificer Armour, Nostraman Chainglaive, Melta Bombs) - 375

Elites:
- Contemptor-Mortis Dreadnought - Two Twin-Linked Lascannons - 185
- Contemptor-Mortis Dreadnought - Two Twin-Linked Lascannons - 185

Heavy Support:
- Spartan Assault Tank - Armoured Ceramite, Flare Shield - 340

Lord of War:
- Konrad Curze - 435

--2500
Curze and the primus medicae join a unit of night raptors together while sevetar joins the tactical blob in the spartan. Other than that, its pretty much the same idea as what you already had.

 combat engineer wrote:
I have a Spartan in my XII Legion, and it does work well. I do not want to use the Spartan as my "go to" Legion vehicle.

I am pro-Mortis, as they fill a great dual role. Curze looks extremely lethal, but at that point cost I might be able to sub in two, maybe three other units.

Leviathan seems like a brute, but another point heavy unit.

I really want to avoid another Spartan. Like, really, really want to avoid playing with another.

I have came into possession of a Fire Raptor gunship. For games that I do not want to use Curze, I plan on putting this in. The still leaves me with about 200pts. Do I increase the terminators to a full ten marine squad, or would I better off lookin at another unit?

I'd increase the number of terminators and perhaps another apothecary

I was looking at increasing the terminators, but the Apothecary blob would be nice. Maybe two Primus Medicae w/ jump packs to add into the Night Raptors, and a Legion Apothecary.

Thoughts lads/ ladies?

Good afternoon fellas and femmes. List build ver. 1.1. CC welcomed, unless you mention Spartans

VIII Legiones Astartes Night Lords Horror Cult (2500pts)

HQ (475pts)

Legion Centurion (150pts) [Artificer Armour, Jump Pack, Melta Bombs, Power Weapon, Refractor Field, Trophies of Judgement, Primus Medicae]

Legion Centurion (150pts) [Artificer Armour, Jump Pack, Melta Bombs, Power Weapon, Refractor Field, Trophies of Judgement, Primus Medicae]

Sevatar (175pts)

Troops (1100pts)

Legion Tactical Squad (250pts) [14x Legion Tactical Space Marines, Legion Vexilla, Trophies of Judgement, Legion Tactical Sergeant, Melta Bombs, Nostraman Chainglaive]

Night Raptor Squad (425pts) [Meltagun, 14x Night Raptor, 2x Nostraman Chainglaive, Trophies of Judgement, Huntmaster, Melta Bombs, Nostraman Chainglaive]

Night Raptor Squad (425pts) [Meltagun, 14x Night Raptor, 2x Nostraman Chainglaive, Trophies of Judgement, Huntmaster, Melta Bombs, Nostraman Chainglaive]

Elites (685pts)

Apothecarion Detachment (55pts) [1x Legion Apothecary [Nostraman Chainglaive]

Contemptor-Mortis Dreadnought (195pts) [Extra Armour, Two Twin-linked Lascannons]

Contemptor-Mortis Dreadnought (195pts) [Extra Armour, Two Twin-linked Lascannons]

Legion Terminator Squad (240pts) [Cataphractii Terminator Armour with Combi-bolter and Power Weapon, Chainfist, 4x Legion Terminators, Plasma Blaster, 3x Power Fist, Trophies of Judgement, Legion Terminator Sergeant, Nostraman Chainglaive]

Heavy Support (240pts)

Legion Fire Raptor Gunship (240pts) [Armoured Ceramite, Four Hellstrike Missiles]

Mat

Why do yo uned XA on the Dreads. They are range 48" 2 x TLLCs.

I usually advance my Dreadnoughts with my dismounted units. So they are not always sitting in the outfield.

Did you have a recommendation on where to better appropriate the points?

2 extra tacticles

Sort of an odd number in the unit, but more tacticals the better. Making the change. Thanks.

Mat

i always feel over night lord players don't run spam/deathstars as much as i thought (as i run spam and death star)

i most of the time run Konrad in a 15 man Night Raptor unit with 10 chain glaves, 5 lighting claws, and melta guns, and witht this is run a Preator with a master crafred power fist, and digital laser (to get max attacks and do a lot of dmg in CQC), and with the preator a centurion Lib or a Vilagtor. (some times a command squad with power fists as a back up deathstar for my bat mans)

then i spam out dreads, 1 talon of dreads being
: 1 multi melta, built in melta
: 2 plasma cannons, built in melta

And a competor, most of the time its a mortis with dual multi meltas

for range i always bring;
Plasma Pred (because who doesn't love a 3 shot plasma cannon that dont get hot)
Melta tank (kit out with Aux drive, dozer blade, so you can go places
and a Laser Ventactor (because a sniper tank is very good)

Troops i just bring 2 15 man tacs

that all of the top of my head

and im mostly 90% GW which is gr8
Gw night lord upgrade kits
Gw raptors as Night raptors
preds as preds
All converted HQ and other goods

Just assembled my first Contemptor, 30 Night Raptors and Sevatar. Also made a conversion on the new Night Lords character in Vol. 6. Have fifteen tacticals to assemble, but need bases.

I do like the Mixed Predator Sqn idea. I would maybe go plasma, Melta and flame.