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So as we all know, the most up to date lore regarding the end of the 41st millennium is Abbadon's 13th Black Crusade in which they invade the motherland of Cadia.
However, there is some lore that goes beyond that, according to the Lexicanum timeline: http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/M42

Most notably: " 127.M42 | In Blackest Night: The Millennial Wars Appraised by Ayjaepi Clothier is published. It is later used by Amberley Vail as an extract within the Cain Archive."

It shows that works are still currently being published even beyond the Black Crusade (a whole century later!), however there are no events listed that revolve around whether or not Abbadon's crusade reaches success or failure.
Also keep in mind, the Golden Throne/Astronomicon is on the verge of collapse during the exact time of the Crusade.

Could it be possible that the Imperium failed to suppress the hordes of chaos and someone was publishing all these papers whilst hiding in the web way?

How come you don't have 40K in the title? I thought this was for Age of Sigmar. Also how is this news or rumours? Shouldn't this be in the 40K General section?

Davor wrote:
How come you don't have 40K in the title? I thought this was for Age of Sigmar. Also how is this news or rumours? Shouldn't this be in the 40K General section?

Whoops! Give me a sec'

Think you posted this in wrong forum...

It would be great for this to be true. I mean 40K has grown stale. It would be refreshing if GW did what they did to Fantasy. I mean make it refreshing by adding in End Times not canning it.

This is a WH40K Fluff discussion topic. There aren't any news or rumours concerning any background changes.

I shall move the thread to the correct forum.

 Daemonhost Cherubael wrote:


Could it be possible that the Imperium failed to suppress the hordes of chaos and someone was publishing all these papers whilst hiding in the web way?

No. If they go into the Webway they all die one way or another.

Let's assume that Abaddon was successful and captured Cadia.

He isn't going to run into the most well defended star system in the galaxy (aka the Solar system) after such victory... well he might, it would be hilarious, he wins only to throw away his victory in a suicidal charge against the Solar defenses.

So, even if Abaddon wins his Black Crusade, he still has a lot to do before even hoping to lay siege to Terra.

 Tyran wrote:
Let's assume that Abaddon was successful and captured Cadia.

He isn't going to run into the most well defended star system in the galaxy (aka the Solar system) after such victory... well he might, it would be hilarious, he wins only to throw away his victory in a suicidal charge against the Solar defenses.

So, even if Abaddon wins his Black Crusade, he still has a lot to do before even hoping to lay siege to Terra.

But he would have the advantage of surprise. Nobody will anticipate such a tactically brilliant move!

Well, yes, no one expect it, but I would hesitate to call it a brilliant move, more like a suicidal one.

I was joking. It might work if you had enough cults controlling defences though.

 Daemonhost Cherubael wrote:
So as we all know, the most up to date lore regarding the end of the 41st millennium is Abbadon's 13th Black Crusade in which they invade the motherland of Cadia.
However, there is some lore that goes beyond that, according to the Lexicanum timeline: http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/M42

Most notably: " 127.M42 | In Blackest Night: The Millennial Wars Appraised by Ayjaepi Clothier is published. It is later used by Amberley Vail as an extract within the Cain Archive."

It shows that works are still currently being published even beyond the Black Crusade (a whole century later!), however there are no events listed that revolve around whether or not Abbadon's crusade reaches success or failure.
Also keep in mind, the Golden Throne/Astronomicon is on the verge of collapse during the exact time of the Crusade.

Could it be possible that the Imperium failed to suppress the hordes of chaos and someone was publishing all these papers whilst hiding in the web way?

The Ciaphas Cain books have always been styled as an archive from M42; due to the, uh, 'flexible' nature of canon in 40k, it doesn't really mean anything with regards to where Games Workshop's going to take the game. In Cain's world, at least, the Imperium lasts into the next millennium without any galaxy-shattering upheavals...

I'm not quite sure GW has a plan on this one....

I mean... look at the whole Age of Sigmar bit that occurred with Warhammer Fantasy. Can we necessarily say that was a 100% successful marketing campaign?


The stark truth of the matter - it serves GWs interests to keep the Timeframe Frozen.

I know there's a desire within some part of the fanbase to "keep the story going." This is especially true of the people who entered into our hobby around the time the Horus Heresy books got popular.

They want the Grand Narrative to keep on proceeding. In a sense, it would turn 40K into something akin to an Episodic Comic book.

GW's whole strategy has been to tell little stories instead of trying to move the big story forward. Because moving the Metaplot forward would require some sense of long range planning which the company has never really shown.

If anything, GW has been a kind if "fly by the seat of our pants and see what sells" type of organization.

Mecha getting popular? = Let's introduce the Tau!

Atheism on the Rise in pop culture = Make the Emperor an Atheist.

They react to whatever wave or pop cultural trend occurs in order to make the game relevant.

GrapeApe wrote:


I mean... look at the whole Age of Sigmar bit that occurred with Warhammer Fantasy. Can we necessarily say that was a 100% successful marketing campaign?

In fairness warhammer Fantasy was attracting more intrest and excitement then I'd seen in awhile. I'd been toying with getting into it myself when the first AoS rumors started coming out.