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I am running a majority space marine army unbound, not because I want cheese and always win or anything like that, but simply I really like the models I field.

I was talking to a guy and he was really mad that I play unbound. Almost to the point I offended him. He even said he would never play an opponent that doesn't follow the force organization charts and runs unbound.

So my question is, do you/would you play an unbound opponent?

Depends on the context, but probably.

Unbound armies miss out on the free special rules and bonuses provided by formations and detatchments, and only get freedom too chose what units you want in return. I see no issue with it whatsoever. Most things that can be spammed can be spammed in bound lists anyway and besides, doesn't sound like you plan on abusing it.

usmcmidn wrote:
I am running a majority space marine army unbound, not because I want cheese and always win or anything like that, but simply I really like the models I field.

I was talking to a guy and he was really mad that I play unbound. Almost to the point I offended him. He even said he would never play an opponent that doesn't follow the force organization charts and runs unbound.

So my question is, do you/would you play an unbound opponent?

Would you please post your list?

Generally my only condition on games is that it should be reasonably possible for my opponent's army and my own to counter each other. For Example: I tend to request 'No Flyers' since I don't own any units with Skyfire.

Beyond that, I have no problem with playing against an unbound army and tend to run a lot of unbound armies in smaller points limits myself.

usmcmidn wrote:
I am running a majority space marine army unbound, not because I want cheese and always win or anything like that, but simply I really like the models I field.

I was talking to a guy and he was really mad that I play unbound. Almost to the point I offended him. He even said he would never play an opponent that doesn't follow the force organization charts and runs unbound.

So my question is, do you/would you play an unbound opponent?

Honestly depends on the game. If it was for fun, sure why not. If you're trying to pull some 1 way battle to feel better about yourself... then no.
I've played Unbound multiple times but my army was still as close to a CAD as could be.

I have an 1850 unbound list I'd like to test out someday. 16 units of 5man Troupes with all 16 Troupe Masters having Caress's and Neuro Disruptors and a few Enigma items.

However for my Army having zero obj. Secured and no HQs the only difference between bound and unbound is no formation special rules.

Depends on the situation. Most probably yes. The amount of cheddar that can be built into most lists legally makes building a broken unbound list unnecessary.

I want to say yes, but I'd be really curious to see your list first.

It's sooooooooooooo easy to play with FOC for space marines, I can't wrap my head around what your fielding unbound.

Knight Titan
Stormraven
Stormtalon x2
10 terminators
10 Devestators
10 Scouts
1 tech marine
3 servitors
1 chapter master

2000 point list

 adamsouza wrote:
I want to say yes, but I'd be really curious to see your list first.

It's sooooooooooooo easy to play with FOC for space marines, I can't wrap my head around what your fielding unbound.

It's also really easy to play Unbound as Space Marines. Take, for example, one of my lists.


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usmcmidn wrote:
Knight Titan
Stormraven
Stormtalon x2
10 terminators
10 Devestators
10 Scouts
1 tech marine
3 servitors
1 chapter master

2000 point list

Definitely a solid looking list and I could see how some people may have a problem with this list, but I see no inherent problem with it. I think that's fine.

I've played a few games with unbound pure Deathwing, entirely so that I can actually play pure Deathwing without auto-losing.

I would be perfectly fine playing against an Unbound opponent. To me it's simply just another way of running an army. So long as you're not taking a bunch of cheesy crap I'm perfectly fine with it.

Maybe, depents on the List. But since its restricted here, probably not.

usmcmidn wrote:
Knight Titan
Stormraven
Stormtalon x2
10 terminators
10 Devestators
10 Scouts
1 tech marine
3 servitors
1 chapter master

2000 point list

That list could easily be bound as well... I'm not sure what the opponent's issue is as you're literally throwing away free rules for no other benefit?

usmcmidn wrote:
Knight Titan
Stormraven
Stormtalon x2
10 terminators
10 Devestators
10 Scouts
1 tech marine
3 servitors
1 chapter master

2000 point list

1. My issue would be the fact that you're running a superheavy, not that you're running an unbound army.

2. Why is this list unbound?

Assuming 5 man squads:

I'm counting 2 hqs, 2 troops, 3 heavy support, 2 elites and a Lord of War.

You can fit all of that into a CAD.

Your fliers can even form the Storm Wing formation if you don't want to put them in the CAD.

I use to say no but Yes now.

Because the amount of Formations that they've released essentially means you can play the broken armies you want Battleforged or not. Like, one of the biggest examples of how "unbound" could be bad was an army of riptides. And now Riptide Wing is an actual formation.

In general I find people who wanna be ass about rules will find ways to do so regardless.

As others have said, it depends on context. I find Unbound is really useful when an opponent shows up with a list ready, but that list is illegal. Just make it Unbound and call it a day! Also very helpful to have "legitimate" intro games and whatnot.

usmcmidn wrote:
So my question is, do you/would you play an unbound opponent?

Of course! I know from experience how difficult it is to play a proper game against someone whose hands are all tied n' gak...



In all seriousness though, I would unless it was some monstrous cheesefest.

I have 0 problems with unbound. I find there is far more cheese in formations and detatchments than anything in unbound. That includes Eldar (who pretty much get to run what they want in detatchments/formations anyway).

usmcmidn wrote:
Knight Titan
Stormraven
Stormtalon x2
10 terminators
10 Devestators
10 Scouts
1 tech marine
3 servitors
1 chapter master

2000 point list

Split the Scouts into two five man squads and the list is a CAD, Formation and Knight Detachment. I don't even understand why you bother making it unbound to be honest since it is so close to Battleforged. I'd play against that without issue, same as every other unbound list I've ever come across. I have yet to find someone that simply wants to cheese good stuff in unbound.

If you are going unbound you are losing a lot of power with that list so yeah sure I would allow it.

If you went bound you would have Objective secured Scouts with a CAD and fliers with the air superiority detachment.




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On top of that I allow most unbound lists since I have never seen a cheesier unbound army then a "low/mid tier tournament list". It isn't bound vs unbound that sets the power lv of the list but the mindset of the player.

I hit yes, but it depends on the list.

Just out of curiosity what unbound list would one not accept?

Voted yes, never had a problem with any unbound army I have come accross.

 oldzoggy wrote:
Just out of curiosity what unbound list would one not accept?

Knights. I don't like playing against them, I don't find it fun.

 SharkoutofWata wrote:

usmcmidn wrote:
Knight Titan
Stormraven
Stormtalon x2
10 terminators
10 Devestators
10 Scouts
1 tech marine
3 servitors
1 chapter master

2000 point list

Split the Scouts into two five man squads and the list is a CAD, Formation and Knight Detachment. I don't even understand why you bother making it unbound to be honest since it is so close to Battleforged. I'd play against that without issue, same as every other unbound list I've ever come across. I have yet to find someone that simply wants to cheese good stuff in unbound.

This...
Flyers in a formation, Knight in its own detatchment, and split the scouts to run a CAD. Why not do this? You get obsec on the scouts, plus rerollable warlord trait and whatever the flyer formation bonuses are.

 Griddlelol wrote:

 oldzoggy wrote:
Just out of curiosity what unbound list would one not accept?

Knights. I don't like playing against them, I don't find it fun.

The fun thing is that you don't need to go unbound for that. You can just build a knights only list with by using their detachments and formations for it.

 Griddlelol wrote:

 oldzoggy wrote:
Just out of curiosity what unbound list would one not accept?

Knights. I don't like playing against them, I don't find it fun.

You can run 5+ in a bound list easily enough. Your problem isn't with unbound it's with knights...


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 oldzoggy wrote:
The fun thing is that you don't need to go unbound for that. You can just build a knights only list with by using their detachments and formations for it.

Ninja'd

Or even drop five men from the Dev Squad and add a 5 man Tac squad to enable you to field the large scout squad

I said, yes, I'd play against an unbound list depending on the list. Doesn't really matter whether it's possible to bring IK within the FOC, it's one of the few lists I won't play against.