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http://www.heelanhammer.com/ep152

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Welcome fans, last day of the month can only mean one thing - another episode of HeelanHammer! On today's show, we finish 'author month' with a great interview with legend Gav Thorpe on AoS and all things Warhammer. We also chat Silver Tower and all the weeks releases.

Episode 152: The Gav Summoner

00:01: News: News from Games Workshop and the community- Silver Tower!

00:30: Story of the Week: Interview with Black Library author Gav Thorpe

01:43: Show close and announcements

01:46 End of Show

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Awesome! Can't wait to hear it after work tomorrow.

Love the show!

For to listen on long trek back to US.

Half way through already (save them for my commute!). It's been a joy listening to Gav Thrope so far. As the writer of the Inquisitor rulebook I have so much appreciation for the guy. :-)

You get all that in in 1 minute and 46 seconds?

Nice. I'm going to listen to this on my walk.

Interesting to hear Gav's thoughts on the matter.


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One interesting part gav's comments or "sigmarines" stormcast.

As gav thorpe said in a podcast "Stormcast still have a humanity about them that we don't necessarily see in space marines. When 3rd edition came out everyone got chaos warriors big dudes in armor then when rogue trader came out there was a desire to have chaos warriors in 40k there fore space marines were created in this far future setting. They are futuristic versions of chaos warriors now we go full circle What has been created was not fantasy space marines but good guy chaos warriors their development came from chaos warrior's not space marines. So you have to write them a bit better. Writing the stormcast is not the same as a space marine."

 shinros wrote:
Interesting to hear Gav's thoughts on the matter.


Automatically Appended Next Post:
One interesting part gav's comments or "sigmarines" stormcast.

As gav thorpe said in a podcast "Stormcast still have a humanity about them that we don't necessarily see in space marines. When 3rd edition came out everyone got chaos warriors big dudes in armor then when rogue trader came out there was a desire to have chaos warriors in 40k there fore space marines were created in this far future setting. They are futuristic versions of chaos warriors now we go full circle What has been created was not fantasy space marines but good guy chaos warriors their development came from chaos warrior's not space marines. So you have to write them a bit better. Writing the stormcast is not the same as a space marine."

Still doesn't matter. If people view Stormcasts as Space Marines, who is to blame? That is GW not doing a well of enough job to the masses. GW took the lazy way out when implementing AoS. They barely did anything except ruin something that many people hold dear too. Little effort, no communications, no previews, what are people suppose to think when they see Stormcasts for the first time? I saw Fantasy Blood Angels the first time I saw them. Then when I read about them they SCREAM Space Marines.

Again, Storm bolters is what Space Marines use correct? Funny Sigmarines use Bolt Stormers. Nuff said. I win. End of story. They are Sigmarines and GW has no-one to blame but themselves on this.

Finished the interview this morning. One of the best Heelanhammer shows I have listened to to date. Gav is a really interesting guy, and I loved the bit about the Ice Queen not being a straight forward throw-back to the world-that-was but rather the key concept of Kislev expanded and folded and built upon itself to shape a whole region in something that hinted at the world-that-was rather than being a direct descendant.

As nice as Gav is about GW (and great to see him still on good terms), it did come across that GW wanted him to leave the design studio because of his high salary - which sounds harsh so I hope there is more to that story (at least Gav himself didn't sound bitter and is still working for GW through the Black Library).

Davor wrote:

 shinros wrote:
Interesting to hear Gav's thoughts on the matter.


Automatically Appended Next Post:
One interesting part gav's comments or "sigmarines" stormcast.

As gav thorpe said in a podcast "Stormcast still have a humanity about them that we don't necessarily see in space marines. When 3rd edition came out everyone got chaos warriors big dudes in armor then when rogue trader came out there was a desire to have chaos warriors in 40k there fore space marines were created in this far future setting. They are futuristic versions of chaos warriors now we go full circle What has been created was not fantasy space marines but good guy chaos warriors their development came from chaos warrior's not space marines. So you have to write them a bit better. Writing the stormcast is not the same as a space marine."

Still doesn't matter. If people view Stormcasts as Space Marines, who is to blame? That is GW not doing a well of enough job to the masses. GW took the lazy way out when implementing AoS. They barely did anything except ruin something that many people hold dear too. Little effort, no communications, no previews, what are people suppose to think when they see Stormcasts for the first time? I saw Fantasy Blood Angels the first time I saw them. Then when I read about them they SCREAM Space Marines.

Again, Storm bolters is what Space Marines use correct? Funny Sigmarines use Bolt Stormers. Nuff said. I win. End of story. They are Sigmarines and GW has no-one to blame but themselves on this.

You win? All this tells me that disappointingly people still look at things at face value instead of investigating and researching a product. People do it with games, books, movies and war miniatures if people want to look at stuff at surface level it's their problem I can easily just say what's so interesting about the empire? They are just normal people with swords? What's so interesting about space marines? They just look like generic super soldiers with guns. I can look at the undead it's just skeletons and vampires? What is so interesting about them they look generic. (which is not the case).

Saying stuff like this in my opinion make's you look silly. I personally never do that when I look at the miniatures I want to know what makes these guys tick? What do they fight for why do they fight? If people want to judge things superficially they are poorer for it after actually doing investigation overall I feel stormcast are more interesting than space marines because I can actually relate to them. This comment here tells me I cannot take certain people's opinions here seriously anymore

I also liked that ice queen moment as well quite interesting to say the least.

 shinros wrote:

Davor wrote:

 shinros wrote:
Interesting to hear Gav's thoughts on the matter.


Automatically Appended Next Post:
One interesting part gav's comments or "sigmarines" stormcast.

As gav thorpe said in a podcast "Stormcast still have a humanity about them that we don't necessarily see in space marines. When 3rd edition came out everyone got chaos warriors big dudes in armor then when rogue trader came out there was a desire to have chaos warriors in 40k there fore space marines were created in this far future setting. They are futuristic versions of chaos warriors now we go full circle What has been created was not fantasy space marines but good guy chaos warriors their development came from chaos warrior's not space marines. So you have to write them a bit better. Writing the stormcast is not the same as a space marine."

Still doesn't matter. If people view Stormcasts as Space Marines, who is to blame? That is GW not doing a well of enough job to the masses. GW took the lazy way out when implementing AoS. They barely did anything except ruin something that many people hold dear too. Little effort, no communications, no previews, what are people suppose to think when they see Stormcasts for the first time? I saw Fantasy Blood Angels the first time I saw them. Then when I read about them they SCREAM Space Marines.

Again, Storm bolters is what Space Marines use correct? Funny Sigmarines use Bolt Stormers. Nuff said. I win. End of story. They are Sigmarines and GW has no-one to blame but themselves on this.

You win? All this tells me that disappointingly people still look at things at face value instead of investigating and researching a product. People do it with games, books, movies and war miniatures if people want to look at stuff at surface level it's their problem I can easily just say what's so interesting about the empire? They are just normal people with swords? What's so interesting about space marines? They just look like generic super soldiers with guns. I can look at the undead it's just skeletons and vampires? What is so interesting about them they look generic. (which is not the case).

Saying stuff like this in my opinion make's you look silly. I personally never do that when I look at the miniatures I want to know what makes these guys tick? What do they fight for why do they fight? If people want to judge things superficially they are poorer for it after actually doing investigation overall I feel stormcast are more interesting than space marines because I can actually relate to them. This comment here tells me I cannot take certain people's opinions here seriously anymore

I also liked that ice queen moment as well quite interesting to say the least.

You miss my point. Bolt Stormers? That PROVES they are Sigmarines. Why do we have to INVESTIGATE and RESEARCH the product? GW should be making their product DESIRABLE, not where I have to Research and Investigate the game.

I look silly? I don't care. Bolt Stormers, you can't get any sillier than that. Again I win. (And I believe I forgot to put the smiley face out, I was only kidding about the I win.) Prove to me that Bolt Stormers doesn't scream Space Marines. I find it funny people always deflect this and talk about other stuff. I don't care about other stuff, the topic I stated was Bolt Stormers. So please tell me how Bolt Stormers don't scream SIGMARINES!

Just to note, I do like AoS. I just love bringing up how silly Bolt Stormers is and when someone says Stormcast Eternals are NOT Space Marines I will bring this up every time till I am proven wrong. I love to be wrong, but so far nobody has proven me wrong.

Just to nitpick, but they are called "Boltstorm Crossbows". I too find it amusing to call them Boltstormers, though I have grown to like the Sigmarines too. I think since the Extremis Chamber came out GW have done a better job at bringing out unique aspects about the faction (and some great colour schemes too)

 Bottle wrote:
Just to nitpick, but they are called "Boltstorm Crossbows". I too find it amusing to call them Boltstormers, though I have grown to like the Sigmarines too. I think since the Extremis Chamber came out GW have done a better job at bringing out unique aspects about the faction (and some great colour schemes too)

I was about to mention that apologies for jumping the gun. I should of been more clear Davor I was annoyed in my post yes their looks were inspired by space marines and chaos warriors it was clear what the last CEO intent was but that's just surface level I personally don't look at things like that. I personally like to look at the character under neath the armor that's what I personally find important.

I personally just find it vexing when they are called fantasy marines when they act nothing like space marines(they feal fear, some fear death, they require rest and sustenance and they are men and women) and have traits that space marines would never even think of or share I personally have a dislike of loyalist space marines because they represent everything I dislike in the space super soldier trope. While the stormcast I thought they were going to be the same but after reading a few books they are far apart FAAAAAAR apart. From a lore stand point they are just order version of chaos warriors.

After learning about them they are not space marines they are nothing like them and majority call them sigmarines as a slur rather than a joke which I feel does a disservice to their character building. Yes I do feel people should look into stuff themselves to get a full understanding of what you are buying.

Plus Gav Thorpe went into an interesting statement on why the chaos gods seek out mortal followers so much I can't remember it from the top of my head.

Davor wrote:
when someone says Stormcast Eternals are NOT Space Marines

Stormcast, einherjar in great armor; Marine, bio-modification soldier in great armor. I would say "Stormcast Eternals are NOT Space Marines".

 shinros wrote:


I personally just find it vexing when they are called fantasy marines

I will say sorry and apologize if I have offended you. I will try and stop it my friend. I don't want to get anyone upset. Just bear in mind if I do slip it's nothing personal, it's my way of showing up GW on the mistake they made on how they released AoS.

when they act nothing like space marines(they feal fear, some fear death, they require rest and sustenance and they are men and women) and have traits that space marines would never even think of or share I personally have a dislike of loyalist space marines because they represent everything I dislike in the space super soldier trope. While the stormcast I thought they were going to be the same but after reading a few books they are far apart FAAAAAAR apart. From a lore stand point they are just order version of chaos warriors.

After learning about them they are not space marines they are nothing like them and majority call them sigmarines as a slur rather than a joke which I feel does a disservice to their character building. Yes I do feel people should look into stuff themselves to get a full understanding of what you are buying.

Plus Gav Thorpe went into an interesting statement on why the chaos gods seek out mortal followers so much I can't remember it from the top of my head.

Again, this is what GW should have shown us in the beginning especially in the AoS boxset instead of trying to nickel and dime us to death for money. GW would have invested me in Stormacasts, ( I actually like the name Sigmarines now, not because of Space Marines but the fighting force of Sigmar and since marines were never used in a Fantasy setting it's something new.) and would have spent a lot of money on the new products.

I am still of the opinion that GW has to win me over. I don't have to win GW over. We don't need GW, GW needs us. If they want us to buy their products it's up to GW to MAKE US DESIRE their product and right now from what I read, it's not desirable in the fluff. It's not up to me to buy a $100 book (or what ever it costs regions vary). It's GW fault for overcharging the books. If GW wasn't nickel and dime us and took a loss on the books imagine how many new people would be invested in the new AoS lore.

Just look at Nintendo. Nintendo doesn't want to take a loss on their consoles. How many have bought the Wii U? Look at PS4. Sony has learnt to take a loss on the console now just like Mircorosft has and sold 20 million consoles now. And all the games that go with it.

Sell the books at a loss, make up the money with the minis. Before January 2016 how many people have bought Stormcast Eteranals and stuff?

Sorry I am going off topic and trying to justify what I said about Stormcasts are Space Marines. I will try and stop it. But please forgive me when I slip.