Zeta Cartel Uses Prison near US Border as Extermination Camp

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**Frazzled**

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/06/09/zetas-drug-gang-used-mexico-prison-as-extermination-camp-to-kidn/
I linked where its located on the Texas border
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2204918/Mexico-prison-escape-More-130-inmates-break-jail-Piedras-Negras-bordering-Texas.html

Members of the Zetas drug gang used a prison in northern Mexico as their private house of horrors where they tortured and killed kidnapping victims and underworld enemies, public prosecutors in the state of Coahuila have said.

Between 2009 and 2012, Piedras Negras prison became a virtual extermination camp, ruled with impunity by the notorious crime cartel as an operational base for their reign of terror in the US-Mexican border region.

After an investigation into the three-year period, authorities estimate that around 150 people were murdered inside the prison, with their bodies being burnt or broken down in acid-filled tanks before the remains were disposed of in a river some 20 miles away from the jail.

It is not clear to what extent the prison’s official guards actively cooperated with gang members or whether they merely allowed them to act with impunity in exchange for keeping order among inmates.

But prosecutors have revealed that Zetas’ prison leaders dressed up in uniforms as the prison’s de facto security force, wearing bulletproof vests and driving customised vehicles.

“We have received information that in this place was governed autonomously by the Zetas,” a spokesman for the Coahuila state prosecution force said on Wednesday after an investigation based on the testimony of 42 prisoners who were being held in Piedras Negras during that period.

The leader of the bloodthirsty Zetas prison gang has been identified as Ramón Burciaga Magallanes, who is currently in another jail serving time for kidnapping.

Besides Burciaga Magallanes, prosecutors served arrest warrants on four other suspects. All five are accused of participating in just seven murders because the remains of seven victims have been found and identifies within the prison compound.

The state prosecutor’s office said that it is searching for more missing persons who “were taken to the prison to be killed”.

Piedras Negras prison hit the headlines in September 2012, when 131 inmates escaped through the front door in what was reported as Mexico’s biggest-ever jailbreak.

That incident jolted state security forces from their passive stance and the prison was closed down later that year, with remaining inmates transferred elsewhere.

The case highlights the self-government that criminal gangs enjoy in Mexican prisons.

In February, 49 inmates were killed in a pitched battle in Monterrey, where two rival Zetas leaders were fighting for control of a prison.

**jhe90**

They are a dangerous faction...

Well maybe not lead by the same former special forces who formed the cartel from a mercenaries for hire outfit to larger cartels.

However one of the most dangerous in Mexico.

**Frazzled**

That is in fact the Zetas.

**oldravenman3025**

Frazzled wrote:
That is in fact the Zetas.

Yeah. These are the hard asses among the Cartel, being ex-GAFE. These boys have trained with USSOCOM and the IDF's various spec ops groups before they deserted and went into business for themselves.

They not only have contacts within the Mexican Federal Army, they have ties with international arms smugglers. That means in addition to the training, they have access to RPGs, anti-tank weapons, MANPADS, HMGs, etc. These hard-cores are not even afraid of taking on the military.

Bad dudes all around.

**Relapse**

This is why I don't have problems with Mexicans and others from South of the border coming here to live. What sane person with options wants his family subjected to a hell hole where they may be kidnapped, tortured, or killed?
In my mind, the consumers of cartel drugs are holders of a good part of the blame, and this Ted Talk sums it up nicely:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=VYU25aJpg5o

**oldravenman3025**

Relapse wrote:
This is why I don't have problems with Mexicans and others from South of the border coming here to live. What sane person with options wants his family subjected to a hell hole where they may be kidnapped, tortured, or killed?
In my mind, the consumers of cartel drugs are holders of a good part of the blame, and this Ted Talk sums it up nicely:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=VYU25aJpg5o

I have no problem with them coming and starting a new life either. As long as they come legally, in respect of U.S. laws and sovereignty.

And you make a good point. One of the problems with the War on Drugs has been dealing with the demand. As long as there is a demand, there will be people willing to take serious risks (and kill/be killed) in the name of big money. You take down one operation, five more spring up to take their place.

**Dreadwinter**

oldravenman3025 wrote:
Frazzled wrote:
That is in fact the Zetas.

Yeah. These are the hard asses among the Cartel, being ex-GAFE. These boys have trained with USSOCOM and the IDF's various spec ops groups before they deserted and went into business for themselves.

They not only have contacts within the Mexican Federal Army, they have ties with international arms smugglers. That means in addition to the training, they have access to RPGs, anti-tank weapons, MANPADS, HMGs, etc. These hard-cores are not even afraid of taking on the military.

Bad dudes all around.

That sounds like the plot to The Expendables. Also my worst nightmare. No wonder people flee that paradise.

**oldravenman3025**

Dreadwinter wrote:
oldravenman3025 wrote:
Frazzled wrote:
That is in fact the Zetas.

Yeah. These are the hard asses among the Cartel, being ex-GAFE. These boys have trained with USSOCOM and the IDF's various spec ops groups before they deserted and went into business for themselves.

They not only have contacts within the Mexican Federal Army, they have ties with international arms smugglers. That means in addition to the training, they have access to RPGs, anti-tank weapons, MANPADS, HMGs, etc. These hard-cores are not even afraid of taking on the military.

Bad dudes all around.

That sounds like the plot to The Expendables. Also my worst nightmare. No wonder people flee that paradise.

Indeed. I went to Mexico once years ago. There were some nice places down that way. Some of them, unfortunately, are now caught up in the cartel wars. Add in the time-honored, traditional corruption in Mexico, and it makes for an explosive combination.

I seem to recall a Youtube vid posted from a guy on the U.S. side of the border some years ago. He was on the roof of his apartment building, and you could hear a battle between the Federal Army/Police and a cartel on the Mexican side. You could see smoke and hear explosions. I think I would move somewhere the hell else.

**Frazzled**

Relapse wrote:
This is why I don't have problems with Mexicans and others from South of the border coming here to live. What sane person with options wants his family subjected to a hell hole where they may be kidnapped, tortured, or killed?
In my mind, the consumers of cartel drugs are holders of a good part of the blame, and this Ted Talk sums it up nicely:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=VYU25aJpg5o

This is why I do have a problem if the border is open enough to allow them to do that. The Cartels use it to.

**Do_I_Not_Like_That**

I've said this before, and I'll say it again: instead of sending 250,000 troops to Iraq, the USA should have been sending them to Texas to guard the border. These cartels are a threat to the USA, not some phantom WMDs and an occupation that spawned ISIS.

**Frazzled**

Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote:
I've said this before, and I'll say it again: instead of sending 250,000 troops to Iraq, the USA should have been sending them to Texas to guard the border. These cartels are a threat to the USA, not some phantom WMDs and an occupation that spawned ISIS.

Agreed, wholeheartedly agreed. That is where the real threat lies. The harm called by the cartels makes ISIL look like a JV team in comparison.

"Poor Mexico, so far from God and so close to the United States. "
-Porfirio Diaz, President of Mexico.

**Tannhauser42**

Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote:
I've said this before, and I'll say it again: instead of sending 250,000 troops to Iraq, the USA should have been sending them to Texas to guard the border. These cartels are a threat to the USA, not some phantom WMDs and an occupation that spawned ISIS.

A good idea in theory, but in practice? It would just result in that Jade Helm nonsense on an even greater scale. It might make the border a bit safer, but how many of the homegrown crazies will it set off?

**kronk**

I get to go to Mexico next month!

**Do_I_Not_Like_That**

Tannhauser42 wrote:
Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote:
I've said this before, and I'll say it again: instead of sending 250,000 troops to Iraq, the USA should have been sending them to Texas to guard the border. These cartels are a threat to the USA, not some phantom WMDs and an occupation that spawned ISIS.

A good idea in theory, but in practice? It would just result in that Jade Helm nonsense on an even greater scale. It might make the border a bit safer, but how many of the homegrown crazies will it set off?

It doesn't have to be a mass of US troops sitting on the border, but I'm sure the US military could have a shadow presence, with rapid reaction teams, intelligence gathering, covert ops etc etc

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Frazzled wrote:
Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote:
I've said this before, and I'll say it again: instead of sending 250,000 troops to Iraq, the USA should have been sending them to Texas to guard the border. These cartels are a threat to the USA, not some phantom WMDs and an occupation that spawned ISIS.

Agreed, wholeheartedly agreed. That is where the real threat lies. The harm called by the cartels makes ISIL look like a JV team in comparison.

"Poor Mexico, so far from God and so close to the United States. "
-Porfirio Diaz, President of Mexico.

Don't tell me Americans still fear the ghost of Pancho Villa?

**kronk**

Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote:

Don't tell me Americans still fear the ghost of Pancho Villa?

No, but Montezuma's Revenge is real and a force to be feared.

**Frazzled**

Don't tell me Americans still fear the ghost of Pancho Villa?

My family traded fire with him. Bring it ghost boy!

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kronk wrote:
Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote:

Don't tell me Americans still fear the ghost of Pancho Villa?

No, but Montezuma's Revenge is real and a force to be feared.

Very true. We weaponized it and dropped it in Korea, forcing the communists to the negotiation table.

**Easy E**

Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote:
I've said this before, and I'll say it again: instead of sending 250,000 troops to Iraq, the USA should have been sending them to Texas to guard the border. These cartels are a threat to the USA, not some phantom WMDs and an occupation that spawned ISIS.

Tom Clancy agrees with you in A Clear and Present Danger.

**jhe90**

Easy E wrote:
Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote:
I've said this before, and I'll say it again: instead of sending 250,000 troops to Iraq, the USA should have been sending them to Texas to guard the border. These cartels are a threat to the USA, not some phantom WMDs and an occupation that spawned ISIS.

Tom Clancy agrees with you in A Clear and Present Danger.

John Clark is the man we need.

**kronk**

jhe90 wrote:
Easy E wrote:
Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote:
I've said this before, and I'll say it again: instead of sending 250,000 troops to Iraq, the USA should have been sending them to Texas to guard the border. These cartels are a threat to the USA, not some phantom WMDs and an occupation that spawned ISIS.

Tom Clancy agrees with you in A Clear and Present Danger.

John Clark is the man we need.

But until we get rid of the Designated Hitter Rule, Trump is the man we deserve as a nation.