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Hey all, I’m hoping you all can help me out some grass roots market research as it were. Here is the situation; some friends and I are working on putting together a YouTube channel focused on miniature war games starting with Warhammer 40,000 but moving into others as time and ability permit. We’re at a bit of an impasse with the name right now. One of names for the channel that has been suggested in “Gentleman’s Club”. I’ve made various suggestions ranging from “Virginia Gamers Alliance” “Fredericksburg Gamers” “Freddy Games” “East Coast Gamers” and “NoVa Gaming Syndicate”. The individual who suggested Gentleman’s Club had adamantly pushed back against any other name for the channel, citing a belief that It’s unique and breaks from the normal naming convention used for these types of channels that either reference one particular game or are a pun of some sort on dice. My response has been “Yeah, so does ‘Pedophiles anonymous’ and I think we can both agree that that isn’t a name we want to be associated with.”
So what am I asking here? Well first and foremost the poll question: Would you associate the name “Gentlemen’s Club” with table top wargamming in some fashion? Yes or no.
that's a fethin terrible name for a youtube war game channel.
If its a channel specifically for table top games like wargaming,board games and TCG then i would probably figure to add something related to that into the title instead of something so generic as "gamers" since that could also imply you do video games and stuff.
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Gentlemen's Club? May as well call it the Titty twister.*
*Don't call it either of these names
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NoVa is a strong brand in the DC area and surrounding areas. I think it adds to your market when you let people know clearly that you represent experiences in this area. (especially since a lot of 40k stuff is west coast centric, especially when it comes to tourney standards)
But 'gentleman's club' has negative connotations which you simply shouldn't entertain and would basically label you and your product misogynistic before anyone even gives your content a chance. (because it is seemingly gender exclusionary at best and possibly even strip-club or porn related at worst, hence why it is a loaded term you should avoid.)
Sounds like a typical angry male gamer stereotype who wants to thumb his nose at the PC Brahs. But in a world of marketing, consuming content and possibly a business brand, you have to straddle that fence and cater to the PC culture even if you disagree with it, lest it destroy you. If you want to be about your content and not about defending yourself then pick literally anything else.
Here is an example: I follow an animator who called his studio 'EBOLAWORLD' and after the outbreak last yeaar, it went from a funny thing that was joked about in hollywood moves 10 years ago (when he chose it) to a serious, scary and disrespectful name. He changed his entire brand because of it. Could he have kept it? Sure, nothing was legally making him change, it just wasn't a fight worth fighting and saw how it could offend some. (and his material is designed to offend)
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The Gentleman Wargamer I could live with, the Gentleman's Club is too euphemistic and not descriptive enough.
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That's the first thing I think of when I hear the name "Gentlemen's club".....
Cold beer and nice views.
Table top Gaming? What does that mean?
A better name would have been Dice Brothers, or Hitties and hit points...
Seriously, though- that's a 110% mutt name for a YouTube channel, and lions will eat their young if you use it.
You've been warned.
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Azreal13 wrote: The Gentleman Wargamer I could live with, the Gentleman's Club is too euphemistic and not descriptive enough.
I'm with Azreal13 here. I have no issue personally with the channel being named "Gentleman Something". But "Gentleman's Club" is heavily associated with strip joints and topless bars. I also don't have a problem with nudie joints (been to plenty of them). But a lot of people have a tendency to take offense when none is implied. So, save yourself the headache of butthurt types ranting in the comments section and go with something else.
"The Gentleman Wargamer" (as suggested by Azreal13) is a good name. However, in the end, it's the call of the one starting the channel.
oldravenman3025 wrote: "The Gentleman Wargamer" (as suggested by Azreal13) is a good name. However, in the end, it's the call of the one starting the channel.
I also voted no because of the whole strip club thing.
However I agree with these guys, on one major condition though:
IF your channel is called something like "The Gentleman Wargamer" you absolutely must be a dapper melon farmer! I'm talking full on suit, tie, maybe a three piece suit. A proper cocktail (made from whiskey, not vodka) in a proper drinking apparatus. Maybe a cigar if you're up for that kind of thing. NO FETHING FEDORAS THOUGH!!!!!!!! (I cannot put enough exclamation points on this one)
A Gentleman would never have a youtube channel, talking about any subject without being properly attired.
oldravenman3025 wrote: "The Gentleman Wargamer" (as suggested by Azreal13) is a good name. However, in the end, it's the call of the one starting the channel.
I also voted no because of the whole strip club thing.
However I agree with these guys, on one major condition though:
IF your channel is called something like "The Gentleman Wargamer" you absolutely must be a dapper melon farmer! I'm talking full on suit, tie, maybe a three piece suit. A proper cocktail (made from whiskey, not vodka) in a proper drinking apparatus. Maybe a cigar if you're up for that kind of thing. NO FETHING FEDORAS THOUGH!!!!!!!! (I cannot put enough exclamation points on this one)
A Gentleman would never have a youtube channel, talking about any subject without being properly attired.
Here in the UK we have a club called 'The Spikey Club' they play all sorts but the name suggests a bias towards Fantasy very heavily, perhaps use that in your defence.
Personally 'Gentlemens' Club' is a bit generic and will be near impossible to search for and links to it will look dodgy, NSFW or girl/wife/girlfriend friendly.
Try and pick something that spells and searches easily with little competition.
Your other names are a bit to generic too so I'd say back to the drawing board.
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Ensis wrote:
IF your channel is called something like "The Gentleman Wargamer" you absolutely must be a dapper melon farmer!
A Gentleman would never have a youtube channel, talking about any subject without being properly attired.
It also has a pretty made theme tune.....
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While the term gentleman's club is associated with strip clubs now its original conentation had to do with elite, private clubs of high society. Of course, most people wont make the connection to the classic meaning.
Perhaps Gentleman's Gaming Group or Gentleman's Gaming Society or something along those lines would be better.
I used to be in an online war game club called the Gentleman's Wargame Parlour, which was pretty good, but the forum kept crashing and eventually died.
It definitely sounds like something where women, children and commoners have no place in, regardless of whether one thinks of the stripper club association or not.
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lord_blackfang wrote: It definitely sounds like something where women, children and commoners have no place in, regardless of whether one thinks of the stripper club association or not.
Wait, so you're telling me a woman who say goes and looks for a battle report, or clicks on a link to watch her favourite/ chosen army/ caster/ warband/ whatever and who is happily watching is suddenly going to be triggered into a violent emotional breakdown when she spies the word "gentlman's" in the account name and realises to her terror that IT WAS NEVER MEANT FOR HER!?!?!? Please!
People are drawn to content that is good. Plain and simple. If it has high production values, is entertaining, and engaging then they will watch. If not they will stop and move on to the next thing. Sane, rational people aren't going to care about the name on the account.
The exception to this is content produced by women. As long as they're remotely attractive they will garner hundreds of views on that alone. This brings me to my next point. womyn and their whiteknights need to realise that they are only one demographic and not the only demographic. Truthfully, if they're the sort to be triggered by something like "gentlemans' gaming" or whatever then they probably should avoid any contact with anything anywhere to ensure that their fragile emotional state is protected.
Furthermore, isn't it sexist to assume that women don't like strip clubs and therefore might not be bothered in the slightest by a name that some might associate with a such a place? From my own personal experience I have tons of female friends who love stripclubs and wouldn't give two s**t's about the name of a youtube channel. Mind you, I don't associate with the perpetually offended hypersensitive types.
On to the point about children... WHY WONT ANYONE THINK OF THE CHILDREN!!!!!!! This is an appeal to emotion, a logical falacy. Frankly, which children are we talkng about here? How old are they? Are their dads finding these videos for them? How likely is it that they're browsing youtube for batreps? Lets be honest, some batreps and painting tutorials are so badly produced or boring that even I can't sit through them. If the channel creators have no interest in catering specifically to children why would they care?
Produce good content and nothing else will matter.
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People, men or women probably just won't even bother to look at a site if it's called Gentleman's Club. I certainly wouldn't unless I was researching breastaurants or something.
I'm sure you have tons of cool feminist lady friends who spend a lot of time hanging out with you in titty bars, but the OP is trying to appeal to people who are interested in war games.
1. Is strip club. 2. Tells women listeners/viewers to feth off. 3. Tells me your group has the maturity of a gaggle of 15 year olds.
Stupid idea.
Maverike_prime wrote: The individual who suggested Gentleman’s Club had adamantly pushed back against any other name for the channel
Look. Bob might be your friend. You might have gamed with Bob for 10 years. Bob probably helped you that one time that you ran out of gas and he did you a solid.
Don't do this youtube channel with Bob. All of my red flag warning signals are going off.
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Produce good content and nothing else will matter.
Decades of market research and branding disagree with you. But we needed the angry gamer to irrationally rail against the PC bros in the face of sound criticism. The 'Anyone who doesn't like it is a broken human being' has been said in no marketing campaign ever.
And are you really so out of touch that you don't think children browse youtube without parents driving them to content? I know kids who don't watch TV and are exclusively Youtube Surfers. Board game letsplays, Battle reports and mario maker/pokemon battles are on the top of their list. Starting off making content to intentionally alienate 50% of the population, and then dismiss another 1/4th because they are children... Maybe they should throw something racist in as well to alienate more? I mean, 'Good content and nothing else will matter' right?
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You are putting something on the internet and us geeks and nerds are nothing but not gentlemen on the internet. Ironic eh?
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If you name it gentlemen's wargame club and make each video have a section about stripping paint off some ebay rescues or something at the end it could actually be a little clever.
Ensis Ferrae wrote: IF your channel is called something like "The Gentleman Wargamer" you absolutely must be a dapper melon farmer! I'm talking full on suit, tie, maybe a three piece suit. A proper cocktail (made from whiskey, not vodka) in a proper drinking apparatus. Maybe a cigar if you're up for that kind of thing. NO FETHING FEDORAS THOUGH!!!!!!!! (I cannot put enough exclamation points on this one)
A fedora is actually an appropriate accessory to a business suit, although a gentleman wouldn't be wearing a hat indoors.
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