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Always wondered if such a thing ever occurred along with such pressing questions such as - Can a Tyranid eat a Daemon?

And has anyone on the Chaos end of things ever expressed any particular knowledge regarding the Tyranids aside from the fact that they are giant bugs to be squashed in the name of Khorne blah blah.

But in all seriousness - has there ever been a major conflict involving the Tyranids on one side and Chaos on the other?

and who won?

There was a story in the Tyranid codex, 'The Fall of Shadowbrink'

The Fall of Shadowbrink was conflict between Tyranids mid-consuming a world and Daemons from suddenly opened Warp portal due to artefact X. As I recall the Tyranids initially ignored the Daemons due to a lack of usable biomass (though how the Tyranids knew that I have no idea) and it was only after the Daemons started attacking them that they responded. Eventually the Tyranids won. Quite a small battle though really; only four Greater Daemons were involved and none were depicted as particularly powerful. Also basically stated that Tyranids being killed don't feed Khorne I think. Pretty poorly written in my opinion.

SomeRandomEvilGuy wrote:
Also basically stated that Tyranids being killed don't feed Khorne I think.

As badly as the story is written, that bit is intriguing.

Khorne usually "gets off" on wanton violence.... Yet Tyranid deaths don't seem to matter....

I wonder if it similar to the effect that Khorne can't "feast" on Ork violence since its reserved for the theoretical Gork and Mork.

I don't think khorne gets it from pure killing but rather the typical human emotions associated with wanting to MURDER things. (I have no sources to back this up this is pure speculation)

 oldzoggy wrote:
I don't think khorne gets it from pure killing but rather the typical human emotions associated with wanting to MURDER things. (I have no sources to back this up this is pure speculation)

As far as I understand it (I could be totally wrong) is that as a warp based god, Khorne is entirely dependent on emotions. Killing in of itself does not require emotion. If two AIs kill eachother I dont believe Khorne gets anything out of it because there was no actually emotion involved. Now when there is violence between living beings there is obviously a great deal of emotions and it is that said emotion that feeds Khorne rather than the violence itself.

That's essentially it. Tyranid brood creatures under synapse control don't feel fear or have any emotions, which is what actually sustains a daemonic incursion.

It's like the difference between slaughtering a person and slaughtering a monotask servitor whilst it's 'shut down'. Neither Khorne, nor the servitor, would really notice.

Killing a Hive Tyrant would be different - higher synapse creatures are supposedly self aware enough to have personalities of their own - but the daemons didn't manage that. Or at least didn't manage that enough.

It was always pretty clear to me that the TYranids are the utlimate anti Chaos weapon.

Once they kill and consume everyone they themselves are are not feeding any of the chaos gods so bye bye chaos.

Infact its probable that you would end up with a new "Tyranid Super God" in the warp, which is probably what you have everywhere else the Tyranids have been

TheWanderer wrote:
It was always pretty clear to me that the TYranids are the utlimate anti Chaos weapon.

Once they kill and consume everyone they themselves are are not feeding any of the chaos gods so bye bye chaos.

Infact its probable that you would end up with a new "Tyranid Super God" in the warp, which is probably what you have everywhere else the Tyranids have been

OTOH daemons are excelent tyranid killers. For starters they respawn. For second defeat does not strengthen the tyranid. Whereupon imperial regiments sent against tyranids will be used against Imperium if they are defeated(devoured and used to generate more tyranids) daemons just vanish leaving no biomass to harvest and turn into more tyranids.

tneva82 wrote:

TheWanderer wrote:
It was always pretty clear to me that the TYranids are the utlimate anti Chaos weapon.

Once they kill and consume everyone they themselves are are not feeding any of the chaos gods so bye bye chaos.

Infact its probable that you would end up with a new "Tyranid Super God" in the warp, which is probably what you have everywhere else the Tyranids have been

OTOH daemons are excelent tyranid killers. For starters they respawn. For second defeat does not strengthen the tyranid. Whereupon imperial regiments sent against tyranids will be used against Imperium if they are defeated(devoured and used to generate more tyranids) daemons just vanish leaving no biomass to harvest and turn into more tyranids.

you are talking tyranid vs chaos. I am talking tyranid vs the mortal realms. The tyranids kill off the mortals thats the end of chaos

TheWanderer wrote:

tneva82 wrote:

TheWanderer wrote:
It was always pretty clear to me that the TYranids are the utlimate anti Chaos weapon.

Once they kill and consume everyone they themselves are are not feeding any of the chaos gods so bye bye chaos.

Infact its probable that you would end up with a new "Tyranid Super God" in the warp, which is probably what you have everywhere else the Tyranids have been

OTOH daemons are excelent tyranid killers. For starters they respawn. For second defeat does not strengthen the tyranid. Whereupon imperial regiments sent against tyranids will be used against Imperium if they are defeated(devoured and used to generate more tyranids) daemons just vanish leaving no biomass to harvest and turn into more tyranids.

you are talking tyranid vs chaos. I am talking tyranid vs the mortal realms. The tyranids kill off the mortals thats the end of chaos

It's not like Chaos worshippers live outside realspace at all.

pm713 wrote:

TheWanderer wrote:

tneva82 wrote:

TheWanderer wrote:
It was always pretty clear to me that the TYranids are the utlimate anti Chaos weapon.

Once they kill and consume everyone they themselves are are not feeding any of the chaos gods so bye bye chaos.

Infact its probable that you would end up with a new "Tyranid Super God" in the warp, which is probably what you have everywhere else the Tyranids have been

OTOH daemons are excelent tyranid killers. For starters they respawn. For second defeat does not strengthen the tyranid. Whereupon imperial regiments sent against tyranids will be used against Imperium if they are defeated(devoured and used to generate more tyranids) daemons just vanish leaving no biomass to harvest and turn into more tyranids.

you are talking tyranid vs chaos. I am talking tyranid vs the mortal realms. The tyranids kill off the mortals thats the end of chaos

It's not like Chaos worshippers live outside realspace at all.

good point but they are the most tiny irrelevant number in comparison to the huge numbers living in real space which are making the chaos gods exist in the first place. Plus as the warp is a reflection of the material universe when its full of tyranids and nothing else the warp will be..... oh look the Chaos gods are now tyranids

TheWanderer wrote:

pm713 wrote:

TheWanderer wrote:

tneva82 wrote:

TheWanderer wrote:
It was always pretty clear to me that the TYranids are the utlimate anti Chaos weapon.

Once they kill and consume everyone they themselves are are not feeding any of the chaos gods so bye bye chaos.

Infact its probable that you would end up with a new "Tyranid Super God" in the warp, which is probably what you have everywhere else the Tyranids have been

OTOH daemons are excelent tyranid killers. For starters they respawn. For second defeat does not strengthen the tyranid. Whereupon imperial regiments sent against tyranids will be used against Imperium if they are defeated(devoured and used to generate more tyranids) daemons just vanish leaving no biomass to harvest and turn into more tyranids.

you are talking tyranid vs chaos. I am talking tyranid vs the mortal realms. The tyranids kill off the mortals thats the end of chaos

It's not like Chaos worshippers live outside realspace at all.

good point but they are the most tiny irrelevant number in comparison to the huge numbers living in real space which are making the chaos gods exist in the first place. Plus as the warp is a reflection of the material universe when its full of tyranids and nothing else the warp will be..... oh look the Chaos gods are now tyranids

That's not really how it works. Nothing will become a Tyranid. In realspace you have smallish-large cults that for the most part keep their worship secret. In the Warp you have entire planets dedicated soley to worshipping one of the Gods. They can live off the cults inside the Warp.

pm713 wrote:

TheWanderer wrote:

pm713 wrote:

TheWanderer wrote:

tneva82 wrote:

TheWanderer wrote:
It was always pretty clear to me that the TYranids are the utlimate anti Chaos weapon.

Once they kill and consume everyone they themselves are are not feeding any of the chaos gods so bye bye chaos.

Infact its probable that you would end up with a new "Tyranid Super God" in the warp, which is probably what you have everywhere else the Tyranids have been

OTOH daemons are excelent tyranid killers. For starters they respawn. For second defeat does not strengthen the tyranid. Whereupon imperial regiments sent against tyranids will be used against Imperium if they are defeated(devoured and used to generate more tyranids) daemons just vanish leaving no biomass to harvest and turn into more tyranids.

you are talking tyranid vs chaos. I am talking tyranid vs the mortal realms. The tyranids kill off the mortals thats the end of chaos

It's not like Chaos worshippers live outside realspace at all.

good point but they are the most tiny irrelevant number in comparison to the huge numbers living in real space which are making the chaos gods exist in the first place. Plus as the warp is a reflection of the material universe when its full of tyranids and nothing else the warp will be..... oh look the Chaos gods are now tyranids

That's not really how it works. Nothing will become a Tyranid. In realspace you have smallish-large cults that for the most part keep their worship secret. In the Warp you have entire planets dedicated soley to worshipping one of the Gods. They can live off the cults inside the Warp.

thats exactly how it works, the emotions and souls of those living in the material world. If they are all Tyranids the Chaos gods are not going to be Chaos gods anymore.

TheWanderer wrote:

pm713 wrote:

TheWanderer wrote:

pm713 wrote:

TheWanderer wrote:

tneva82 wrote:

TheWanderer wrote:
It was always pretty clear to me that the TYranids are the utlimate anti Chaos weapon.

Once they kill and consume everyone they themselves are are not feeding any of the chaos gods so bye bye chaos.

Infact its probable that you would end up with a new "Tyranid Super God" in the warp, which is probably what you have everywhere else the Tyranids have been

OTOH daemons are excelent tyranid killers. For starters they respawn. For second defeat does not strengthen the tyranid. Whereupon imperial regiments sent against tyranids will be used against Imperium if they are defeated(devoured and used to generate more tyranids) daemons just vanish leaving no biomass to harvest and turn into more tyranids.

you are talking tyranid vs chaos. I am talking tyranid vs the mortal realms. The tyranids kill off the mortals thats the end of chaos

It's not like Chaos worshippers live outside realspace at all.

good point but they are the most tiny irrelevant number in comparison to the huge numbers living in real space which are making the chaos gods exist in the first place. Plus as the warp is a reflection of the material universe when its full of tyranids and nothing else the warp will be..... oh look the Chaos gods are now tyranids

That's not really how it works. Nothing will become a Tyranid. In realspace you have smallish-large cults that for the most part keep their worship secret. In the Warp you have entire planets dedicated soley to worshipping one of the Gods. They can live off the cults inside the Warp.

thats exactly how it works, the emotions and souls of those living in the material world. If they are all Tyranids the Chaos gods are not going to be Chaos gods anymore.

No it's not. They reflect the emotions. Tyranids have no emotions therefore they do not effect the Warp like everyone else does. The effect on Chaos will be either nothing at all or just leave them with less power.

pm713 wrote:

TheWanderer wrote:

pm713 wrote:

TheWanderer wrote:

pm713 wrote:

TheWanderer wrote:

tneva82 wrote:

TheWanderer wrote:
It was always pretty clear to me that the TYranids are the utlimate anti Chaos weapon.

Once they kill and consume everyone they themselves are are not feeding any of the chaos gods so bye bye chaos.

Infact its probable that you would end up with a new "Tyranid Super God" in the warp, which is probably what you have everywhere else the Tyranids have been

OTOH daemons are excelent tyranid killers. For starters they respawn. For second defeat does not strengthen the tyranid. Whereupon imperial regiments sent against tyranids will be used against Imperium if they are defeated(devoured and used to generate more tyranids) daemons just vanish leaving no biomass to harvest and turn into more tyranids.

you are talking tyranid vs chaos. I am talking tyranid vs the mortal realms. The tyranids kill off the mortals thats the end of chaos

It's not like Chaos worshippers live outside realspace at all.

good point but they are the most tiny irrelevant number in comparison to the huge numbers living in real space which are making the chaos gods exist in the first place. Plus as the warp is a reflection of the material universe when its full of tyranids and nothing else the warp will be..... oh look the Chaos gods are now tyranids

That's not really how it works. Nothing will become a Tyranid. In realspace you have smallish-large cults that for the most part keep their worship secret. In the Warp you have entire planets dedicated soley to worshipping one of the Gods. They can live off the cults inside the Warp.

thats exactly how it works, the emotions and souls of those living in the material world. If they are all Tyranids the Chaos gods are not going to be Chaos gods anymore.

No it's not. They reflect the emotions. Tyranids have no emotions therefore they do not effect the Warp like everyone else does. The effect on Chaos will be either nothing at all or just leave them with less power.

I think you are missing my point. When the emotionless tyranids control the material universe and there is no other life and no other emotions what do you think the chaos gods will be? Ok there will be the little cults you mentioned holding out in the warp for a bit. then they will be gone. the warp will go back to being a sea of energy without form other than whatever effect the only living thing in existance, the tyrnaids, have on it. There for if the "Chaos" gods exist at all, they will be formed by the effect of the tyranids.

Sadly you couldn't redirect a Tyranids Hive Fleet to the Eye of Terror. Yes they would kill daemons, but they would likely not want to stay there because of the lack of biomass.

Effectively it would be like starting a land war in Russia with no provisions... During the start of winter.

DontEatRawHagis wrote:
Sadly you couldn't redirect a Tyranids Hive Fleet to the Eye of Terror. Yes they would kill daemons, but they would likely not want to stay there because of the lack of biomass.

Effectively it would be like starting a land war in Russia with no provisions... During the start of winter.

why would it be anything like that? once all of the material universe is dead there wont be any daemons, the warp will be a swirling mess of nothing or will be whatever the mortal realms being all tyranid makes it. They wont need to go there they just need to wipe out the material universe to destory it.

TheWanderer wrote:

pm713 wrote:

TheWanderer wrote:

pm713 wrote:

TheWanderer wrote:

pm713 wrote:

TheWanderer wrote:

tneva82 wrote:

TheWanderer wrote:
It was always pretty clear to me that the TYranids are the utlimate anti Chaos weapon.

Once they kill and consume everyone they themselves are are not feeding any of the chaos gods so bye bye chaos.

Infact its probable that you would end up with a new "Tyranid Super God" in the warp, which is probably what you have everywhere else the Tyranids have been

OTOH daemons are excelent tyranid killers. For starters they respawn. For second defeat does not strengthen the tyranid. Whereupon imperial regiments sent against tyranids will be used against Imperium if they are defeated(devoured and used to generate more tyranids) daemons just vanish leaving no biomass to harvest and turn into more tyranids.

you are talking tyranid vs chaos. I am talking tyranid vs the mortal realms. The tyranids kill off the mortals thats the end of chaos

It's not like Chaos worshippers live outside realspace at all.

good point but they are the most tiny irrelevant number in comparison to the huge numbers living in real space which are making the chaos gods exist in the first place. Plus as the warp is a reflection of the material universe when its full of tyranids and nothing else the warp will be..... oh look the Chaos gods are now tyranids

That's not really how it works. Nothing will become a Tyranid. In realspace you have smallish-large cults that for the most part keep their worship secret. In the Warp you have entire planets dedicated soley to worshipping one of the Gods. They can live off the cults inside the Warp.

thats exactly how it works, the emotions and souls of those living in the material world. If they are all Tyranids the Chaos gods are not going to be Chaos gods anymore.

No it's not. They reflect the emotions. Tyranids have no emotions therefore they do not effect the Warp like everyone else does. The effect on Chaos will be either nothing at all or just leave them with less power.

I think you are missing my point. When the emotionless tyranids control the material universe and there is no other life and no other emotions what do you think the chaos gods will be? Ok there will be the little cults you mentioned holding out in the warp for a bit. then they will be gone. the warp will go back to being a sea of energy without form other than whatever effect the only living thing in existance, the tyrnaids, have on it. There for if the "Chaos" gods exist at all, they will be formed by the effect of the tyranids.

I think you're downplaying the amount of worship in the Warp a lot. There aren't "little cults" there are entire planets dedicated to each God. Considering how many planets are in the Warp that's a LOT of cults. More than enough to sustain the Gods. The Chaos Gods will lose a fair bit of power yes but that is the only real change unless the Tyranids invade the Warp which they simply won't do because it isn't worthwhile.

pm713 wrote:

TheWanderer wrote:

pm713 wrote:

TheWanderer wrote:

pm713 wrote:

TheWanderer wrote:

pm713 wrote:

TheWanderer wrote:

tneva82 wrote:

TheWanderer wrote:
It was always pretty clear to me that the TYranids are the utlimate anti Chaos weapon.

Once they kill and consume everyone they themselves are are not feeding any of the chaos gods so bye bye chaos.

Infact its probable that you would end up with a new "Tyranid Super God" in the warp, which is probably what you have everywhere else the Tyranids have been

OTOH daemons are excelent tyranid killers. For starters they respawn. For second defeat does not strengthen the tyranid. Whereupon imperial regiments sent against tyranids will be used against Imperium if they are defeated(devoured and used to generate more tyranids) daemons just vanish leaving no biomass to harvest and turn into more tyranids.

you are talking tyranid vs chaos. I am talking tyranid vs the mortal realms. The tyranids kill off the mortals thats the end of chaos

It's not like Chaos worshippers live outside realspace at all.

good point but they are the most tiny irrelevant number in comparison to the huge numbers living in real space which are making the chaos gods exist in the first place. Plus as the warp is a reflection of the material universe when its full of tyranids and nothing else the warp will be..... oh look the Chaos gods are now tyranids

That's not really how it works. Nothing will become a Tyranid. In realspace you have smallish-large cults that for the most part keep their worship secret. In the Warp you have entire planets dedicated soley to worshipping one of the Gods. They can live off the cults inside the Warp.

thats exactly how it works, the emotions and souls of those living in the material world. If they are all Tyranids the Chaos gods are not going to be Chaos gods anymore.

No it's not. They reflect the emotions. Tyranids have no emotions therefore they do not effect the Warp like everyone else does. The effect on Chaos will be either nothing at all or just leave them with less power.

I think you are missing my point. When the emotionless tyranids control the material universe and there is no other life and no other emotions what do you think the chaos gods will be? Ok there will be the little cults you mentioned holding out in the warp for a bit. then they will be gone. the warp will go back to being a sea of energy without form other than whatever effect the only living thing in existance, the tyrnaids, have on it. There for if the "Chaos" gods exist at all, they will be formed by the effect of the tyranids.

I think you're downplaying the amount of worship in the Warp a lot. There aren't "little cults" there are entire planets dedicated to each God. Considering how many planets are in the Warp that's a LOT of cults. More than enough to sustain the Gods. The Chaos Gods will lose a fair bit of power yes but that is the only real change unless the Tyranids invade the Warp which they simply won't do because it isn't worthwhile.

how many?

TheWanderer wrote:

I think you are missing my point. When the emotionless tyranids control the material universe and there is no other life and no other emotions what do you think the chaos gods will be? Ok there will be the little cults you mentioned holding out in the warp for a bit. then they will be gone. the warp will go back to being a sea of energy without form other than whatever effect the only living thing in existance, the tyrnaids, have on it. There for if the "Chaos" gods exist at all, they will be formed by the effect of the tyranids.

Iof the Tyranids are emotionless they will have no effect on the Ruinous Powers.

pm713 is, I believe, primarily referring to areas of Warp-realspace overlap such as the Eye of Terror and Maelstrom. While Tyranids are capable of going there such a campaign would be fraught with risk even for their numbers. As such the mortals living there would contain to sustain the Ruinous Powers. As for the number of planets considering the Eye of Terror subsumed of the vast majority of the old Eldar Empire I'd hazard quite a lot.

SomeRandomEvilGuy wrote:

TheWanderer wrote:

I think you are missing my point. When the emotionless tyranids control the material universe and there is no other life and no other emotions what do you think the chaos gods will be? Ok there will be the little cults you mentioned holding out in the warp for a bit. then they will be gone. the warp will go back to being a sea of energy without form other than whatever effect the only living thing in existance, the tyrnaids, have on it. There for if the "Chaos" gods exist at all, they will be formed by the effect of the tyranids.

Iof the Tyranids are emotionless they will have no effect on the Ruinous Powers.

pm713 is, I believe, primarily referring to areas of Warp-realspace overlap such as the Eye of Terror and Maelstrom. While Tyranids are capable of going there such a campaign would be fraught with risk even for their numbers. As such the mortals living there would contain to sustain the Ruinous Powers. As for the number of planets considering the Eye of Terror subsumed of the vast majority of the old Eldar Empire I'd hazard quite a lot.

In comparison to the whole rest of the galaxy? no.

Its not the effect the tyranids themselves have its the effect them eating every other thing in the galaxy would have. the tiny scraps of emotion and soul that are left on the daemon worlds in the eye or any other rift are tiny tiny tiny in comparison to the extinquiching of every single sentient life in the material world. The Chaos Gods are the conglomerate of all of that, you take away 99% of it and what are the Chaos Gods any more?

Plus is there any evidence that a creature in the warp can sustain the chaos gods?


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SomeRandomEvilGuy wrote:
While Tyranids are capable of going there such a campaign would be fraught with risk even for their numbers.

what risk? They have consumed the whole galaxy, the chaos gods will be reduced to imps in comparison to what they are now and the tyranids will have all the biomass of the galaxy

TheWanderer wrote:

DontEatRawHagis wrote:
Sadly you couldn't redirect a Tyranids Hive Fleet to the Eye of Terror. Yes they would kill daemons, but they would likely not want to stay there because of the lack of biomass.

Effectively it would be like starting a land war in Russia with no provisions... During the start of winter.

why would it be anything like that? once all of the material universe is dead there wont be any daemons, the warp will be a swirling mess of nothing or will be whatever the mortal realms being all tyranid makes it. They wont need to go there they just need to wipe out the material universe to destory it.

More of I was thinking if you wanted to try to defeat Chaos in the same way that Inquisitor Kryptman redirected the Tyranids to the Orks. It would be impossible for the Imperium to weapon ize Tyranids like that against chaos because in the Immaterial they are unable to spawn new Nids.

TheWanderer wrote:

SomeRandomEvilGuy wrote:

TheWanderer wrote:

I think you are missing my point. When the emotionless tyranids control the material universe and there is no other life and no other emotions what do you think the chaos gods will be? Ok there will be the little cults you mentioned holding out in the warp for a bit. then they will be gone. the warp will go back to being a sea of energy without form other than whatever effect the only living thing in existance, the tyrnaids, have on it. There for if the "Chaos" gods exist at all, they will be formed by the effect of the tyranids.

Iof the Tyranids are emotionless they will have no effect on the Ruinous Powers.

pm713 is, I believe, primarily referring to areas of Warp-realspace overlap such as the Eye of Terror and Maelstrom. While Tyranids are capable of going there such a campaign would be fraught with risk even for their numbers. As such the mortals living there would contain to sustain the Ruinous Powers. As for the number of planets considering the Eye of Terror subsumed of the vast majority of the old Eldar Empire I'd hazard quite a lot.

In comparison to the whole rest of the galaxy? no.

Its not the effect the tyranids themselves have its the effect them eating every other thing in the galaxy would have. the tiny scraps of emotion and soul that are left on the daemon worlds in the eye or any other rift are tiny tiny tiny in comparison to the extinquiching of every single sentient life in the material world. The Chaos Gods are the conglomerate of all of that, you take away 99% of it and what are the Chaos Gods any more?

Plus is there any evidence that a creature in the warp can sustain the chaos gods?


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SomeRandomEvilGuy wrote:
While Tyranids are capable of going there such a campaign would be fraught with risk even for their numbers.

what risk? They have consumed the whole galaxy, the chaos gods will be reduced to imps in comparison to what they are now and the tyranids will have all the biomass of the galaxy

Is there any evidence or reason they can't? We seem to disagree on how much worship there is in the Warp. You have every single planet in the Eye of Terror, the Maelstrom, the Storm of the Emperor's Wrath and every single other Warp Storm. Considering that's at the very least all the planets making up the centre of the Eldar Empire. That is enough to sustain the Chaos Gods.

The transition isn't instantaneous. If they enter the Warp then they face every Chaos Marine, every cult, literally endless Daemons and the Chaos Gods themselves. Considering that Slaanesh is the weakest and they have thousands if not millions of Eldar souls to use as power before the power accumalated since the Fall which when you consider how much psychic power your basic Eldar has means that there's a lot of Psychic death to send at Tyranids.

pm713 wrote:

TheWanderer wrote:

SomeRandomEvilGuy wrote:

TheWanderer wrote:

I think you are missing my point. When the emotionless tyranids control the material universe and there is no other life and no other emotions what do you think the chaos gods will be? Ok there will be the little cults you mentioned holding out in the warp for a bit. then they will be gone. the warp will go back to being a sea of energy without form other than whatever effect the only living thing in existance, the tyrnaids, have on it. There for if the "Chaos" gods exist at all, they will be formed by the effect of the tyranids.

Iof the Tyranids are emotionless they will have no effect on the Ruinous Powers.

pm713 is, I believe, primarily referring to areas of Warp-realspace overlap such as the Eye of Terror and Maelstrom. While Tyranids are capable of going there such a campaign would be fraught with risk even for their numbers. As such the mortals living there would contain to sustain the Ruinous Powers. As for the number of planets considering the Eye of Terror subsumed of the vast majority of the old Eldar Empire I'd hazard quite a lot.

In comparison to the whole rest of the galaxy? no.

Its not the effect the tyranids themselves have its the effect them eating every other thing in the galaxy would have. the tiny scraps of emotion and soul that are left on the daemon worlds in the eye or any other rift are tiny tiny tiny in comparison to the extinquiching of every single sentient life in the material world. The Chaos Gods are the conglomerate of all of that, you take away 99% of it and what are the Chaos Gods any more?

Plus is there any evidence that a creature in the warp can sustain the chaos gods?


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SomeRandomEvilGuy wrote:
While Tyranids are capable of going there such a campaign would be fraught with risk even for their numbers.

what risk? They have consumed the whole galaxy, the chaos gods will be reduced to imps in comparison to what they are now and the tyranids will have all the biomass of the galaxy

Is there any evidence or reason they can't? We seem to disagree on how much worship there is in the Warp. You have every single planet in the Eye of Terror, the Maelstrom, the Storm of the Emperor's Wrath and every single other Warp Storm. Considering that's at the very least all the planets making up the centre of the Eldar Empire. That is enough to sustain the Chaos Gods.

The transition isn't instantaneous. If they enter the Warp then they face every Chaos Marine, every cult, literally endless Daemons and the Chaos Gods themselves. Considering that Slaanesh is the weakest and they have thousands if not millions of Eldar souls to use as power before the power accumalated since the Fall which when you consider how much psychic power your basic Eldar has means that there's a lot of Psychic death to send at Tyranids.

Plus, Tzeentch will just stop the Tyranids from destroying more of Realspace than he wants anyway. Don't tell me he can't because they're emotionless. He can because he is the God of Fate, and so would weave some crazy, inconceivable scheme in which an Imperial Inquisitor would openly create a massive Warpstorm and allow Aetaos'rau'keres straight into the Hive Fleet's path. Being Aetaos, he would kill so many Nids that the Hive Mind would collapse.Then he would be banished for 1000 years and a day. Not enough time for any remaining Tyranids to do anything meaningful before HE's BACK to finish them off. Tyranids have NO hope against Chaos, because whilst you seem to claim that destroying Realspace would be easy, in actuality, Chaos would protect that to preserve themselves. Also, I agree with the previous poster. Warpspace spans MULTIPLE UNIVERSES! It contains enough planets to exist forever. And Tyranids can't destroy the other Realspace's that Chaos feeds off. To Chaos, the galaxy of the 41st Millennium is probably nothing, Finally, in your Tyranid invasion theory, you manage to somehow IGNORE Gork, Mork, the Emperor, the Starchild, the awakening of the Necrontyr and the C'tan, the Ommissiah, Khaine, Isha and every other mary-sue in the lore. Chaos always beats Tyranids in the end. Full Stop.

pm713 wrote:

TheWanderer wrote:

SomeRandomEvilGuy wrote:

TheWanderer wrote:

I think you are missing my point. When the emotionless tyranids control the material universe and there is no other life and no other emotions what do you think the chaos gods will be? Ok there will be the little cults you mentioned holding out in the warp for a bit. then they will be gone. the warp will go back to being a sea of energy without form other than whatever effect the only living thing in existance, the tyrnaids, have on it. There for if the "Chaos" gods exist at all, they will be formed by the effect of the tyranids.

Iof the Tyranids are emotionless they will have no effect on the Ruinous Powers.

pm713 is, I believe, primarily referring to areas of Warp-realspace overlap such as the Eye of Terror and Maelstrom. While Tyranids are capable of going there such a campaign would be fraught with risk even for their numbers. As such the mortals living there would contain to sustain the Ruinous Powers. As for the number of planets considering the Eye of Terror subsumed of the vast majority of the old Eldar Empire I'd hazard quite a lot.

In comparison to the whole rest of the galaxy? no.

Its not the effect the tyranids themselves have its the effect them eating every other thing in the galaxy would have. the tiny scraps of emotion and soul that are left on the daemon worlds in the eye or any other rift are tiny tiny tiny in comparison to the extinquiching of every single sentient life in the material world. The Chaos Gods are the conglomerate of all of that, you take away 99% of it and what are the Chaos Gods any more?

Plus is there any evidence that a creature in the warp can sustain the chaos gods?


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While Tyranids are capable of going there such a campaign would be fraught with risk even for their numbers.

what risk? They have consumed the whole galaxy, the chaos gods will be reduced to imps in comparison to what they are now and the tyranids will have all the biomass of the galaxy

Is there any evidence or reason they can't? We seem to disagree on how much worship there is in the Warp. You have every single planet in the Eye of Terror, the Maelstrom, the Storm of the Emperor's Wrath and every single other Warp Storm. Considering that's at the very least all the planets making up the centre of the Eldar Empire. That is enough to sustain the Chaos Gods.

The transition isn't instantaneous. If they enter the Warp then they face every Chaos Marine, every cult, literally endless Daemons and the Chaos Gods themselves. Considering that Slaanesh is the weakest and they have thousands if not millions of Eldar souls to use as power before the power accumalated since the Fall which when you consider how much psychic power your basic Eldar has means that there's a lot of Psychic death to send at Tyranids.

They dont need to go near the warp, the warp is a prison for chaos, if everything in the material universe is tyranid and therefore not contributing towards giving anything to chaos and the warp any more then its just a matter of time. Daemons are massively limited on how they can enter the material world at the best of times and with none of the lesser species left to act as a conduit they are even more restricted. your endless daemons can sit in there and rot. As for all the chaos marines and cults, they cant muster up enough to get far past cadia now let along do anything beyond that.

the chaos gods would simple starve, no matter their "reserves" if there is nothing left to feed them a new its over, jsut a matter of time.

TheWanderer wrote:

pm713 wrote:

TheWanderer wrote:

SomeRandomEvilGuy wrote:

TheWanderer wrote:

I think you are missing my point. When the emotionless tyranids control the material universe and there is no other life and no other emotions what do you think the chaos gods will be? Ok there will be the little cults you mentioned holding out in the warp for a bit. then they will be gone. the warp will go back to being a sea of energy without form other than whatever effect the only living thing in existance, the tyrnaids, have on it. There for if the "Chaos" gods exist at all, they will be formed by the effect of the tyranids.

Iof the Tyranids are emotionless they will have no effect on the Ruinous Powers.

pm713 is, I believe, primarily referring to areas of Warp-realspace overlap such as the Eye of Terror and Maelstrom. While Tyranids are capable of going there such a campaign would be fraught with risk even for their numbers. As such the mortals living there would contain to sustain the Ruinous Powers. As for the number of planets considering the Eye of Terror subsumed of the vast majority of the old Eldar Empire I'd hazard quite a lot.

In comparison to the whole rest of the galaxy? no.

Its not the effect the tyranids themselves have its the effect them eating every other thing in the galaxy would have. the tiny scraps of emotion and soul that are left on the daemon worlds in the eye or any other rift are tiny tiny tiny in comparison to the extinquiching of every single sentient life in the material world. The Chaos Gods are the conglomerate of all of that, you take away 99% of it and what are the Chaos Gods any more?

Plus is there any evidence that a creature in the warp can sustain the chaos gods?


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SomeRandomEvilGuy wrote:
While Tyranids are capable of going there such a campaign would be fraught with risk even for their numbers.

what risk? They have consumed the whole galaxy, the chaos gods will be reduced to imps in comparison to what they are now and the tyranids will have all the biomass of the galaxy

Is there any evidence or reason they can't? We seem to disagree on how much worship there is in the Warp. You have every single planet in the Eye of Terror, the Maelstrom, the Storm of the Emperor's Wrath and every single other Warp Storm. Considering that's at the very least all the planets making up the centre of the Eldar Empire. That is enough to sustain the Chaos Gods.

The transition isn't instantaneous. If they enter the Warp then they face every Chaos Marine, every cult, literally endless Daemons and the Chaos Gods themselves. Considering that Slaanesh is the weakest and they have thousands if not millions of Eldar souls to use as power before the power accumalated since the Fall which when you consider how much psychic power your basic Eldar has means that there's a lot of Psychic death to send at Tyranids.

They dont need to go near the warp, the warp is a prison for chaos, if everything in the material universe is tyranid and therefore not contributing towards giving anything to chaos and the warp any more then its just a matter of time. Daemons are massively limited on how they can enter the material world at the best of times and with none of the lesser species left to act as a conduit they are even more restricted. your endless daemons can sit in there and rot. As for all the chaos marines and cults, they cant muster up enough to get far past cadia now let along do anything beyond that.

the chaos gods would simple starve, no matter their "reserves" if there is nothing left to feed them a new its over, jsut a matter of time.

Notice how you skipped my argument, which discredits everything you just said. Great job, Wanderer.

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pm713 wrote:

TheWanderer wrote:

SomeRandomEvilGuy wrote:

TheWanderer wrote:

I think you are missing my point. When the emotionless tyranids control the material universe and there is no other life and no other emotions what do you think the chaos gods will be? Ok there will be the little cults you mentioned holding out in the warp for a bit. then they will be gone. the warp will go back to being a sea of energy without form other than whatever effect the only living thing in existance, the tyrnaids, have on it. There for if the "Chaos" gods exist at all, they will be formed by the effect of the tyranids.

Iof the Tyranids are emotionless they will have no effect on the Ruinous Powers.

pm713 is, I believe, primarily referring to areas of Warp-realspace overlap such as the Eye of Terror and Maelstrom. While Tyranids are capable of going there such a campaign would be fraught with risk even for their numbers. As such the mortals living there would contain to sustain the Ruinous Powers. As for the number of planets considering the Eye of Terror subsumed of the vast majority of the old Eldar Empire I'd hazard quite a lot.

In comparison to the whole rest of the galaxy? no.

Its not the effect the tyranids themselves have its the effect them eating every other thing in the galaxy would have. the tiny scraps of emotion and soul that are left on the daemon worlds in the eye or any other rift are tiny tiny tiny in comparison to the extinquiching of every single sentient life in the material world. The Chaos Gods are the conglomerate of all of that, you take away 99% of it and what are the Chaos Gods any more?

Plus is there any evidence that a creature in the warp can sustain the chaos gods?


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SomeRandomEvilGuy wrote:
While Tyranids are capable of going there such a campaign would be fraught with risk even for their numbers.

what risk? They have consumed the whole galaxy, the chaos gods will be reduced to imps in comparison to what they are now and the tyranids will have all the biomass of the galaxy

Is there any evidence or reason they can't? We seem to disagree on how much worship there is in the Warp. You have every single planet in the Eye of Terror, the Maelstrom, the Storm of the Emperor's Wrath and every single other Warp Storm. Considering that's at the very least all the planets making up the centre of the Eldar Empire. That is enough to sustain the Chaos Gods.

The transition isn't instantaneous. If they enter the Warp then they face every Chaos Marine, every cult, literally endless Daemons and the Chaos Gods themselves. Considering that Slaanesh is the weakest and they have thousands if not millions of Eldar souls to use as power before the power accumalated since the Fall which when you consider how much psychic power your basic Eldar has means that there's a lot of Psychic death to send at Tyranids.

Plus, Tzeentch will just stop the Tyranids from destroying more of Realspace than he wants anyway. Don't tell me he can't because they're emotionless. He can because he is the God of Fate, and so would weave some crazy, inconceivable scheme in which an Imperial Inquisitor would openly create a massive Warpstorm and allow Aetaos'rau'keres straight into the Hive Fleet's path. Being Aetaos, he would kill so many Nids that the Hive Mind would collapse.Then he would be banished for 1000 years and a day. Not enough time for any remaining Tyranids to do anything meaningful before HE's BACK to finish them off. Tyranids have NO hope against Chaos, because whilst you seem to claim that destroying Realspace would be easy, in actuality, Chaos would protect that to preserve themselves. Also, I agree with the previous poster. Warpspace spans MULTIPLE UNIVERSES! It contains enough planets to exist forever. And Tyranids can't destroy the other Realspace's that Chaos feeds off. To Chaos, the galaxy of the 41st Millennium is probably nothing, Finally, in your Tyranid invasion theory, you manage to somehow IGNORE Gork, Mork, the Emperor, the Starchild, the awakening of the Necrontyr and the C'tan, the Ommissiah, Khaine, Isha and every other mary-sue in the lore. Chaos always beats Tyranids in the end. Full Stop.

lol, MY tyranid invasion theory. its there in the lore I havent plucked it out of the air :-)

Yes I have disregarded the other items that are not the issue at hand of tyranids vs chaos, the premise that tyranids if they consumed the material universe would mean the end of chaos. The whole path of them destroying everything else is a whole other debate.

I dont really see much credability in the whole, "chaos just has another universe to feed off so it doesnt matter if this one gets eaten" approach. Have you got a source to support that?

TheWanderer wrote:

pm713 wrote:

TheWanderer wrote:

SomeRandomEvilGuy wrote:

TheWanderer wrote:

I think you are missing my point. When the emotionless tyranids control the material universe and there is no other life and no other emotions what do you think the chaos gods will be? Ok there will be the little cults you mentioned holding out in the warp for a bit. then they will be gone. the warp will go back to being a sea of energy without form other than whatever effect the only living thing in existance, the tyrnaids, have on it. There for if the "Chaos" gods exist at all, they will be formed by the effect of the tyranids.

Iof the Tyranids are emotionless they will have no effect on the Ruinous Powers.

pm713 is, I believe, primarily referring to areas of Warp-realspace overlap such as the Eye of Terror and Maelstrom. While Tyranids are capable of going there such a campaign would be fraught with risk even for their numbers. As such the mortals living there would contain to sustain the Ruinous Powers. As for the number of planets considering the Eye of Terror subsumed of the vast majority of the old Eldar Empire I'd hazard quite a lot.

In comparison to the whole rest of the galaxy? no.

Its not the effect the tyranids themselves have its the effect them eating every other thing in the galaxy would have. the tiny scraps of emotion and soul that are left on the daemon worlds in the eye or any other rift are tiny tiny tiny in comparison to the extinquiching of every single sentient life in the material world. The Chaos Gods are the conglomerate of all of that, you take away 99% of it and what are the Chaos Gods any more?

Plus is there any evidence that a creature in the warp can sustain the chaos gods?


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SomeRandomEvilGuy wrote:
While Tyranids are capable of going there such a campaign would be fraught with risk even for their numbers.

what risk? They have consumed the whole galaxy, the chaos gods will be reduced to imps in comparison to what they are now and the tyranids will have all the biomass of the galaxy

Is there any evidence or reason they can't? We seem to disagree on how much worship there is in the Warp. You have every single planet in the Eye of Terror, the Maelstrom, the Storm of the Emperor's Wrath and every single other Warp Storm. Considering that's at the very least all the planets making up the centre of the Eldar Empire. That is enough to sustain the Chaos Gods.

The transition isn't instantaneous. If they enter the Warp then they face every Chaos Marine, every cult, literally endless Daemons and the Chaos Gods themselves. Considering that Slaanesh is the weakest and they have thousands if not millions of Eldar souls to use as power before the power accumalated since the Fall which when you consider how much psychic power your basic Eldar has means that there's a lot of Psychic death to send at Tyranids.

They dont need to go near the warp, the warp is a prison for chaos, if everything in the material universe is tyranid and therefore not contributing towards giving anything to chaos and the warp any more then its just a matter of time. Daemons are massively limited on how they can enter the material world at the best of times and with none of the lesser species left to act as a conduit they are even more restricted. your endless daemons can sit in there and rot. As for all the chaos marines and cults, they cant muster up enough to get far past cadia now let along do anything beyond that.

the chaos gods would simple starve, no matter their "reserves" if there is nothing left to feed them a new its over, jsut a matter of time.

You seem to have ignored me saying "IF THEY ENTER THE WARP". If they wanted to kill the Chaos Gods they have to do that.

The basic disagreement here seems to be that I think the Chaos Gods can survive in the Warp without realspace worshippers while you do not.

SomeRandomEvilGuy wrote:
The Fall of Shadowbrink was conflict between Tyranids mid-consuming a world and Daemons from suddenly opened Warp portal due to artefact X. As I recall the Tyranids initially ignored the Daemons due to a lack of usable biomass (though how the Tyranids knew that I have no idea) and it was only after the Daemons started attacking them that they responded. Eventually the Tyranids won. Quite a small battle though really; only four Greater Daemons were involved and none were depicted as particularly powerful. Also basically stated that Tyranids being killed don't feed Khorne I think. Pretty poorly written in my opinion.

There were also instances of daemon worlds and chaos held worlds being overrun by Leviathan. On the Iron Warriors holding of Forgefane, the Tyranids cleaned house, even wiping out over 600 Defilers in just a few hours.


The Nids of Leviathan also had a go at the forces of the Daemon Prince M'kar the Reborn on Sondheim V. It was a knock-down, drag-out fight that was still up in the air when the Sky Sentinels Chapter arrived, assessed the situation, and said to hell with that. They initiated Exterminatus, delaying only long enough for the Grey Knights to recover the Book of Pandegaras from the planet,