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2016/06/14 21:54:30
Subject: *Breaking* Active shooter holding hostages at Walmart : Amarillo, TX
CptJake wrote: Tannerite would make a crappy pipe bomb, and unless you also had blasting caps you couldn't even ensure detonation (shooting a pipe likely is not going to be easy and has a big chance of not having the tannerite explode).
I put quotes around 'chemical' and 'explosive' because those are words being used buy the press as if he had a barrel of ANFO or some real explosive, not something you buy to make BOOM targets. You can use black powder (sold many places that sell tannerite) or other gun powder if your goal is to make bombs. Tannerite is not the correct substance.
Automatically Appended Next Post: This is my daughter shooting a product similar to tannerite (same stuff, different brand).
CptJake wrote: Tannerite would make a crappy pipe bomb, and unless you also had blasting caps you couldn't even ensure detonation (shooting a pipe likely is not going to be easy and has a big chance of not having the tannerite explode).
I put quotes around 'chemical' and 'explosive' because those are words being used buy the press as if he had a barrel of ANFO or some real explosive, not something you buy to make BOOM targets. You can use black powder (sold many places that sell tannerite) or other gun powder if your goal is to make bombs. Tannerite is not the correct substance.
Automatically Appended Next Post: This is my daughter shooting a product similar to tannerite (same stuff, different brand).
No, because again you need an initiator. That means blasting caps (which is what sets off a flash bang). Trust me, if this stuff was a threat, the feds would already have regulated it like they do real explosives.
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2016/06/14 21:57:24
Subject: *Breaking* Active shooter holding hostages at Walmart : Amarillo, TX
CptJake wrote: Tannerite would make a crappy pipe bomb, and unless you also had blasting caps you couldn't even ensure detonation (shooting a pipe likely is not going to be easy and has a big chance of not having the tannerite explode).
I put quotes around 'chemical' and 'explosive' because those are words being used buy the press as if he had a barrel of ANFO or some real explosive, not something you buy to make BOOM targets. You can use black powder (sold many places that sell tannerite) or other gun powder if your goal is to make bombs. Tannerite is not the correct substance.
Automatically Appended Next Post: This is my daughter shooting a product similar to tannerite (same stuff, different brand).
No, because again you need an initiator. That means blasting caps (which is what sets off a flash bang). Trust me, if this stuff was a threat, the feds would already have regulated it like they do real explosives.
blasting caps are not all that hard to make.
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2016/06/14 22:34:13
Subject: *Breaking* Active shooter holding hostages at Walmart : Amarillo, TX
And yet were suspiciously absent from the list of items you and others allege this guy was going to use to commit mayhem...
And I bet you've never made blasting caps and probably never used blasting caps, home made or not. Home made blasting caps are a great way to lose fingers/hands.
Give it a rest folks. The article I quoted and linked to say the guy did not intend to harm the parade. He had tannerite, a material VERY ill suited for what the press and some here alleged he could use it for, and he did not have what it would take to actually use the tannerite in that way. Tannerite does not have the velocity to be used in a pipe bomb (would not have the force required to shatter metal pipe, same reason you can't use really use ANFO in a pipe bomb, they are low velocity explosives vice 'high' explosives and require a lot more bulk to get the force you could get from TNT or another high explosive).
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DarkTraveler777 wrote: Thanks for the information on tannerite, CptJake and Prestor Jon. Cool vid, though with the sound down I kept waiting and waiting for the explosion.
So 5 pounds tannerite *could* be used for nefarious reasons, or this guy *could* just be an idiot yokel from Indiana that doesn't know California law.
Still suspicious to me and I am glad the guy is in police custody.
He'll serve time for his violations, and rightfully so. Stupid has a price.
But it really does not appear he was a terrorist.
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2016/06/14 22:37:59
Subject: *Breaking* Active shooter holding hostages at Walmart : Amarillo, TX
And yet were suspiciously absent from the list of items you and others allege this guy was going to use to commit mayhem...
And I bet you've never made blasting caps and probably never used blasting caps, home made or not. Home made blasting caps are a great way to lose fingers/hands.
Give it a rest folks. The article I quoted and linked to say the guy did not intend to harm the parade. He had tannerite, a material VERY ill suited for what the press and some here alleged he could use it for, and he did not have what it would take to actually use the tannerite in that way. Tannerite does not have the velocity to be used in a pipe bomb (would not have the force required to shatter metal pipe, same reason you can't use really use ANFO in a pipe bomb, they are low velocity explosives vice 'high' explosives and require a lot more bulk to get the force you could get from TNT or another high explosive).
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DarkTraveler777 wrote: Thanks for the information on tannerite, CptJake and Prestor Jon. Cool vid, though with the sound down I kept waiting and waiting for the explosion.
So 5 pounds tannerite *could* be used for nefarious reasons, or this guy *could* just be an idiot yokel from Indiana that doesn't know California law.
Still suspicious to me and I am glad the guy is in police custody.
He'll serve time for his violations, and rightfully so. Stupid has a price.
But it really does not appear he was a terrorist.
and yet you make assumptions that the feds and the police have not and yet everyone who knew the guy stated he had a temperm also Tannerite can be very dangerous as shown by a video someone else posted, furthermore I've used blasting caps before I've even used Rocket Launchers and heavy explosives and all legally. and yes know how to make simple blasting caps which Tannerite does not need to go off since a bullet will do the job nicely.
Thinks Palladium books screwed the pooch on the Robotech project.
2016/06/14 22:49:21
Subject: *Breaking* Active shooter holding hostages at Walmart : Amarillo, TX
CptJake wrote: You aren't fitting 3 pounds (what is in that video) in a pipe to make a pipe bomb. 3 pounds is a lot of volume of the powder.
And again, he didn't have the motive. All indicators are he is just stupid.
he was high strung and had a temper doesn't take a motive to be a disaster considering what he had. also who said a pipe bomb? just leave them in the containers mixed and there is your bomb, shoot then boom.
and once again trying to steer convo back to original topic:
why do I feel like this shooters (Amarillo) identity and citizenship status is going to become an issue? the fact he was called a Somalian right off the back is not going to help matters.
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Thinks Palladium books screwed the pooch on the Robotech project.
2016/06/14 22:52:24
Subject: *Breaking* Active shooter holding hostages at Walmart : Amarillo, TX
and yet you make assumptions that the feds and the police have not and yet everyone who knew the guy stated he had a temperm also Tannerite can be very dangerous as shown by a video someone else posted, furthermore I've used blasting caps before I've even used Rocket Launchers and heavy explosives and all legally. and yes know how to make simple blasting caps which Tannerite does not need to go off since a bullet will do the job nicely.
What assumptions did I make? I liked to what the cops said. No one else has done so....
And you do need something other than a bullet to use tannerite as a pipe bomb or flash bang, because you are not hitting a flash bang or pipe bomb consistently with a bullet nor would a bullet consistently detonate the tannerite in a pipe bomb.
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2016/06/14 22:52:34
Subject: *Breaking* Active shooter holding hostages at Walmart : Amarillo, TX
I'm going to put it in red this time, the topic of this thread is "Active shooter holding hostages at Walmart : Amarillo, TX". This isn't the thread for discussions about just how big of a bang you can get from tannerite. It's gone on long enough now that it's dragging the thread off topic. Thank you
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2016/06/14 22:54:57
Subject: *Breaking* Active shooter holding hostages at Walmart : Amarillo, TX
and once again trying to steer convo back to original topic:
why do I feel like this shooters (Amarillo) identity and citizenship status is going to become an issue? the fact he was called a Somalian right off the back is not going to help matters.
Perhaps because he was a Somali? Clearly they know who he was very early on. What will matter is his motive. Has all the indications of a disgruntled ex-employee at this point.
Every time a terrorist dies a Paratrooper gets his wings.
2016/06/14 22:56:19
Subject: *Breaking* Active shooter holding hostages at Walmart : Amarillo, TX
and once again trying to steer convo back to original topic:
why do I feel like this shooters (Amarillo) identity and citizenship status is going to become an issue? the fact he was called a Somalian right off the back is not going to help matters.
Perhaps because he was a Somali? Clearly they know who he was very early on. What will matter is his motive. Has all the indications of a disgruntled ex-employee at this point.
that is what i'm thinking, but still unclear why, but like I said this has potential to get ugly for refugees.
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Thinks Palladium books screwed the pooch on the Robotech project.
2016/06/14 23:49:24
Subject: *Breaking* Active shooter holding hostages at Walmart : Amarillo, TX
A SWAT team shot and killed an armed suspect who took hostages at a Walmart in Amarillo, Texas Tuesday afternoon, investigators confirmed, saying all the hostages are now safe.
Police identified the gunman late Tuesday as 54-year-old Mohammad Moghaddam.
Moghaddam, who was an employee at that Walmart, took two other workers hostage, local media reported. One of the hostages was the store manager, relatives told the Amarillo Globe-News.
"We do consider this a work-place violence situation at this point," the sheriff's office said. City officials first reported an "active shooter incident" at 12:30 p.m. local time.
Police earlier said they were looking for a Somali man wearing khaki pants, KFDA added. Officers reportedly were evacuating shoppers from the west side of the store in the Texas Panhandle.
Jeff Nunn, the president of a nearby bank, told the Globe-News that helicopters and roughly 20 police and emergency vehicles rushed to the store. His bank and a day care center reportedly went on lockdown.
Police closed nearby streets off I-27. "Please avoid the area so that officers can focus on the scene and not traffic," the Amarillo Police Dept. said in a statement
Disgruntled clerk takes his manager hostage. DAMN I'll bet that boss never talks down to an employee again (assuming this of course. Maybe he was totally cool), traumatized for life.
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2016/06/15 00:25:11
Subject: *Breaking* Active shooter holding hostages at Walmart : Amarillo, TX
Frazzled wrote: Again, a Somali in Amarillo? That alone would be news.
Ive met a lot in the western Usa. I remember Minnesota has a bunch as does colorado. Wouldnt surprise me if Texas has some.
Not to stereotype, but I swear they always have Walmart jobs, I guess the refugee organizations have a deal set up to find them work when they show up.
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2016/06/15 02:33:06
Subject: *Breaking* Active shooter holding hostages at Walmart : Amarillo, TX
Frazzled wrote: Again, a Somali in Amarillo? That alone would be news.
Ive met a lot in the western Usa. I remember Minnesota has a bunch as does colorado. Wouldnt surprise me if Texas has some.
Not to stereotype, but I swear they always have Walmart jobs, I guess the refugee organizations have a deal set up to find them work when they show up.
On another forum I'm on, one of the posters claims he lives close to the Walmart in this incident. He says that there's low-income housing/government assistance neighborhoods close to the store. Probably one of the prime reasons the Walmart was erected in that location to begin with - or vise versa.
2016/06/15 04:43:57
Subject: Re:*Breaking* Active shooter holding hostages at Walmart : Amarillo, TX
So far looks like disgruntled ex-employee. Not knowing the perp's full background but knowing a little about Somalis, there may be some 'honor' (both personal and clan) aspects to the perp's motivation but that would still just be his personal justification for the type of action he took.
This one won't stay in the Big News very long. It is not as likely to get Fed investigation (unless someone finds some linkage to Al-Shabaab on the perp's computer/phone or something similar) and even then we are unlikely to hear about it at this point.
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2016/06/15 11:57:40
Subject: *Breaking* Active shooter holding hostages at Walmart : Amarillo, TX
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2016/06/15 12:06:50
Subject: *Breaking* Active shooter holding hostages at Walmart : Amarillo, TX
No: Process as normal; validate all information on the ATF Form 4473 before initiating the NICS check
Yes: Go to step 2
2. Do they have ICE-issued documentation containing an A#?
No: Stop! Do not process. This information is required before proceeding.
Yes: Go to step 3
3. Are they an Immigrant Alien or Legal Permanent Resident (LPR)?
No: Go to step 4
Yes:
Description:
◾Granted permanent residence in the United States
◾Must carry evidence of their status
◾Status, in majority of cases, is granted for life
Identification
◾Identification card will indicate “Permanent Resident”
◾Identification card will have either an AR#, USCIS#, or A#
◾AR#, USCIS#, or A# will be 8 or 9 numeric digits in length
◾90 days proof of residency is no longer required
Quick ATF Form 4473 Check
◾Question #11L (Alien admitted with nonimmigrant visa?): will respond with “No”
◾Question #14 (Country of Citizenship)
◾Question #15 (Alien Number): 8 or 9 numeric digits in length
4. Are they a Non-Immigrant Alien?
No: Stop! Reassess your customer as these are rare instances. If they have an unusual status, such as a refugee, you should process their check as an Immigrant Alien. They likely have been issued an AR#, A#, or USCIS#.
Yes:
Description
◾No intention of abandoning residence in another country.
◾Granted access to the United States for a specific purpose and for a temporary period of time.
Identification
◾Identification will be either a valid Visa or Employment Authorization Card
◾May have both an A/AR# and I-94# but must use the I-94# for NICS purposes
◾I-94# is 11 numerical digits in length
◾A printout from the CBP Web site is now an acceptable form of
◾proof for an I-94#
◾90 days proof of residency is no longer required
◾Not all non-U.S. Citizens need a valid exception (example: a valid hunting license), just those admitted under a Visa
Quick ATF Form 4473 Check
◾Question #14 (Country of Citizenship)
◾Question #15 (Alien Number): 11 digit I-94 Number
5. Have they been admitted to the United States under a Visa?
No: Quick Form 4473 Check Question #11L (Admitted with visa): “No”
Yes: Quick Form 4473 Check Question #11L (Admitted with Visa): “Yes”
6. Are there exceptions?
No: Stop! Do not process. This information is required before proceeding.
Anyone with a 'green card' (they are actually not green at this point) can buy a gun in most places. Permanent residents are treated like citizens for almost everything except voting.
And do we know if he was naturalized? Maybe he was a citizen?
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2016/06/15 21:31:06
Subject: *Breaking* Active shooter holding hostages at Walmart : Amarillo, TX
CptJake wrote: Seems he was from Iran, not Somalia, was married and had a couple adult kids. Was pissed someone got promoted over him.
Now that's an excellent reason to shoot everyone...
Maybe these kind of reactions (only less extreme) to negative stuff at work is why he didn't get promoted.
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2016/06/15 21:57:59
Subject: *Breaking* Active shooter holding hostages at Walmart : Amarillo, TX
well work place violence is nothing new. U.S. Post office and military recruiters with their horrid treatment kicked this off in the 80s. Although I doubt Walmart was working him 80 hours a week for less than minimum wage.
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2016/06/15 22:04:17
Subject: *Breaking* Active shooter holding hostages at Walmart : Amarillo, TX
~16000 Astra Militarum: 
~1200 | Imperial Knights: 
~2300 | Leagues of Votann: 
~1300 | Tyranids: 
~3400 | Stormcast Eternals: 
~3500 | Lumineth Realm-Lords: 
~700
