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 axisofentropy wrote:
I think Morale is a risk. If one or two models are falling back, then they won't get to recycle. Do Tempestus have anything to mitigate this risk?

Morale is the opposite of an issue. It isn't hard to kill 5 T3 4+ in a single round of shooting.

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:

 axisofentropy wrote:
I think Morale is a risk. If one or two models are falling back, then they won't get to recycle. Do Tempestus have anything to mitigate this risk?

Morale is the opposite of an issue. It isn't hard to kill 5 T3 4+ in a single round of shooting.

It's even easier to kill 4.

 axisofentropy wrote:

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:

 axisofentropy wrote:
I think Morale is a risk. If one or two models are falling back, then they won't get to recycle. Do Tempestus have anything to mitigate this risk?

Morale is the opposite of an issue. It isn't hard to kill 5 T3 4+ in a single round of shooting.

It's even easier to kill 4.

There isn't much you can do about that. The thing with respawn/suicide squads like this is that the opponent always has the option to just not kill them.

The formation itself is interesting. Even without respawning, Command Squads are pretty good - 4 Meltaguns or 4 Plasma Guns that are always guaranteed to be in range for orders is pretty solid. This is a way to get another "HQ slot" for the low tax of a vehicle you might have taken anyway and a 25 point IC that's just going to hide in a corner somewhere.

I'm currently working on a Scions force and thinking of bringing the formation as part of it. MT CAD + Hellrain + Imperial Allies (thinking some sort of Space Marine stuff) is a good start. 3 units that have 4 Special Weapons each, lots of Deep Striking MSU that either has ObSec or respawns - it's all fairly solid.

Requizen wrote:

 axisofentropy wrote:

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:

 axisofentropy wrote:
I think Morale is a risk. If one or two models are falling back, then they won't get to recycle. Do Tempestus have anything to mitigate this risk?

Morale is the opposite of an issue. It isn't hard to kill 5 T3 4+ in a single round of shooting.

It's even easier to kill 4.

There isn't much you can do about that. The thing with respawn/suicide squads like this is that the opponent always has the option to just not kill them.

Which makes taking Plasma Guns on the regular Scions important. The extra range is necessary to have.


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So the main way I decided to use the formation with Skitarii is as follows:

Hellrain Brigade:
x1 Commissar
. Carapace Armor
x1 Command Squad
. 4 Melta Guns
x5 Scions
. 2 Plasma Guns
. Taurox w/ Missile Launcher and Autocannon
x1 Taurox w/ Missile Launcher and Autocannon

Hellrain Brigade:
x1 Commissar
. Carapace Armor
x1 Command Squad
. 4 Melta Guns
x5 Scions
. 2 Plasma Guns
x1 Taurox w/ Missile Launcher and Autocannon

Inquisitorial Detachment
x1 Malleus Inquisitor w/ 3 Servo Skulls
x1 Malleus Inquisitor w/ 2 Servo Skulls

Skitarii Maniple
x10 Vanguard
. 3 Plasma Calivers, Omnispex
x10 Vanguard
. 3 Plasma Calivers, Omnispex
x10 Vanguard
. 3 Plasma Calivers, Omnispex
x5 Rangers
. 2 Arc Rifles, Omnispex
x5 Rangers
. 2 Arc Rifles, Omnispex
x1 Ironstrider w/ Autocannon
x1 Ironstrider w/ Autocannon
x1 Ironstrider w/ Autocannon

So I would have the Inquisitors and Commissars hide with the Ranger squads who'll take cover near the Ironstriders. The Vanguard will go inside the Taurox and all Scions and Command Squads will prepare to Deep Strike. Luckily you don't have to care about the regular Scion squads, as that adds an unexpected punch. Constant Plasma Guns will have to be dealt with.

Requizen wrote:

 axisofentropy wrote:

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:

 axisofentropy wrote:
I think Morale is a risk. If one or two models are falling back, then they won't get to recycle. Do Tempestus have anything to mitigate this risk?

Morale is the opposite of an issue. It isn't hard to kill 5 T3 4+ in a single round of shooting.

It's even easier to kill 4.

There isn't much you can do about that. The thing with respawn/suicide squads like this is that the opponent always has the option to just not kill them.

yes there are options: use wargear to pass the morale check and then charge so they die in the assault phase. That's the discussion.

 axisofentropy wrote:

Requizen wrote:

 axisofentropy wrote:

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:

 axisofentropy wrote:
I think Morale is a risk. If one or two models are falling back, then they won't get to recycle. Do Tempestus have anything to mitigate this risk?

Morale is the opposite of an issue. It isn't hard to kill 5 T3 4+ in a single round of shooting.

It's even easier to kill 4.

There isn't much you can do about that. The thing with respawn/suicide squads like this is that the opponent always has the option to just not kill them.

yes there are options: use wargear to pass the morale check and then charge so they die in the assault phase. That's the discussion.

I just personally think it's not worth worrying about. Getting a unit that recycles is a boon, but it's not the end of the world if it doesn't. As said, in the book, you use the Vox Network to give them a higher LD when they're near the Command Squad, but the way you generally play with aggressive Deep Striking units is that they aren't going to end up close enough to get that benefit most of the time. You could try to do silly things like attach an IC with Deep Strike (Terminator armor dudes, I guess) to give them Fearless, but that's a big pushing it for a 70-90 point unit to come back.

Requizen wrote:

 axisofentropy wrote:

Requizen wrote:

 axisofentropy wrote:

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:

 axisofentropy wrote:
I think Morale is a risk. If one or two models are falling back, then they won't get to recycle. Do Tempestus have anything to mitigate this risk?

Morale is the opposite of an issue. It isn't hard to kill 5 T3 4+ in a single round of shooting.

It's even easier to kill 4.

There isn't much you can do about that. The thing with respawn/suicide squads like this is that the opponent always has the option to just not kill them.

yes there are options: use wargear to pass the morale check and then charge so they die in the assault phase. That's the discussion.

I just personally think it's not worth worrying about. Getting a unit that recycles is a boon, but it's not the end of the world if it doesn't.

But that does mean you don't gain the formation's benefit, so you're better off fielding a Combined Arms Detachment.

So it's been a few weeks since this formation's release and I'd like to know if anyone has had any experience with it. As sometimes what looks good on paper doesn't translate well to the tabletop

Recycled Melta suicide squad.

Anybody thought about pairing this formation up with a force of legion of the damned? Take a bastion or strongpoint for the CCS and commissar. hope that it holds out turn 1 and then turn 2 start dropping in squads all over the table. Give the Taurox an auger array, if your opponent ignores it, it guides in your reinforcements.