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After reading the other thread about some of the ridiculous lists some people have faced, I wonder if enforcement of a "painted models only" rule might mitigate slightly against some of the worst excesses of power-building? Like, if you're thinking of creating a list people aren't going to want to play more than once, is it worth spending the time you have to paint on five riptides, or whatever?

Out of interest, when people do end up fielding ridiculous lists (particularly excessive spamming of the same unit), do they tend to all be fully painted?
   
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 Nazrak wrote:
After reading the other thread about some of the ridiculous lists some people have faced, I wonder if enforcement of a "painted models only" rule might mitigate slightly against some of the worst excesses of power-building? Like, if you're thinking of creating a list people aren't going to want to play more than once, is it worth spending the time you have to paint on five riptides, or whatever?


It won't. Plenty of TFG's at my store have all painted models.



Out of interest, when people do end up fielding ridiculous lists (particularly excessive spamming of the same unit), do they tend to all be fully painted?


Yes.

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Maybe it's just me, but I play unpainted armies all the time. It's not a big deal to me. I try to have my stuff painted, which is getting easier and easier now that just about everything is painted. But I'm not snobby about people not having their army unpainted.

Though, if I'm being honest, it's better to play against painted armies - even if it is all make believe.

One game store I went to had a house rule about painted models have preferred army v. unpainted models, though they never enforced it.

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My painting is pretty basic, but I get three colours on it at least. Sadly my painting skills are abysmal, after 10 years in the hobby i still have troubles painting stuff (I'm just not artistic at all).

I do try and encourage my opponents to finish painting their armies though, as I've seen a lot of grey armies as of late

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The FLGS I play the most at has a policy in the case of a draw, the better painted army wins. It has an effect of raising the standard.

SJ

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 jeffersonian000 wrote:
The FLGS I play the most at has a policy in the case of a draw, the better painted army wins. It has an effect of raising the standard.

SJ


That seems kinda harsh. I can understand painted vs. unpainted, but that seems like it would push people with less painting skill/experience (like me) away from the store. But maybe it doesn't! I don't know, I've never been there, can't judge. Just one of those things I hear and think "Maybe this one's not for me."

I want to play with painted armies, but I don't want to lose games because I'm not that good at it. Although, how often do draws really come up?
   
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BossJakadakk wrote:
 jeffersonian000 wrote:
The FLGS I play the most at has a policy in the case of a draw, the better painted army wins. It has an effect of raising the standard.

SJ


That seems kinda harsh. I can understand painted vs. unpainted, but that seems like it would push people with less painting skill/experience (like me) away from the store. But maybe it doesn't! I don't know, I've never been there, can't judge. Just one of those things I hear and think "Maybe this one's not for me."

I want to play with painted armies, but I don't want to lose games because I'm not that good at it. Although, how often do draws really come up?

It sets a higher standard. At first you either play better, or you paint better. After a while you end up doing both better.

SJ

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I always try to field as many painted minis as possible. Knowing I have a game coming up is usually good encouragement to pull out the paint pots.

The only people I feel a little negatively towards are those that have no intention of ever picking up a paint brush. We all pay an arm and a leg to amass these collections whether it be money or time. If you don't want to learn how to paint that's fine, but for a few extra dollars you could easily have local player/painter get you some table top ready miniatures. It makes the game more immersive, attractive, and easier to follow to onlookers.
   
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 jeffersonian000 wrote:
BossJakadakk wrote:
 jeffersonian000 wrote:
The FLGS I play the most at has a policy in the case of a draw, the better painted army wins. It has an effect of raising the standard.

SJ


That seems kinda harsh. I can understand painted vs. unpainted, but that seems like it would push people with less painting skill/experience (like me) away from the store. But maybe it doesn't! I don't know, I've never been there, can't judge. Just one of those things I hear and think "Maybe this one's not for me."

I want to play with painted armies, but I don't want to lose games because I'm not that good at it. Although, how often do draws really come up?

It sets a higher standard. At first you either play better, or you paint better. After a while you end up doing both better.

SJ


Not gonna argue with that. I'd just have to play better going there
   
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 Griddlelol wrote:
I don't understand people who play 40K and dislike painting.

What exactly do you see in it? It's hardly got a great rule set, and the fluff doesn't require you to buy miniatures.


I used to like painting, like, a decade ago. Now I don't.

Also I really like building and kitbashing and converting the miniatures.

I think I might try Kill Team instead of the standard game. It'd be easier for me to enjoy painting if I only had to paint a dozen models and each one of them was fairly unique.

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I'm all for painted but give me greys anyday over rushed, shoddily painted models. I find it tragic than someone who can actually paint well doing a poor job on a unit, all for some mad hurry to churn them out and get them on the table.

A good compromise is to allow partially painted models on the table. The minimum 3 colour rule in gaming stores is a good guideline. It's not an extravagant amount of work to paint the 3 main colours for your models, and then you can shade, highlight and add more colour and detail at your leisure.

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 jeffersonian000 wrote:
The FLGS I play the most at has a policy in the case of a draw, the better painted army wins. It has an effect of raising the standard.

SJ


Now that's a pretty dandy idea, although I can see it being wholly inappropriate for a friendly tournament.
It's a nice way to award effort, though.

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I will only field models I've finished painting. If I'm dieing to field a new unit, it's a great way to get me to finish them.
And that doesn't mean I half-ass or rush it; same, high standards every time. Just do a bit during loading screens for videogames.

Besides, I feel a need to show up the daemon armies that look vomited upon, and the Stormsurge legs with rocket banks hidden in them.
The shopkeep likes me more for, basically, doing better advertising than the others in the shop.

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painted, however i have no issue playing against unpainted army, not everyone has the time or wants to paint and I'm not there to question their choice since its their models/money. Though someone refusing to play an unpainted army down at the FLGS is probably not going to have a game

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 jeffersonian000 wrote:
The FLGS I play the most at has a policy in the case of a draw, the better painted army wins. It has an effect of raising the standard.

SJ
If thats the case cheat to win or bring the most op units around.

I play with 50/50 at best. People who have fully painted armies tend to be.....the type I do not like playing with tho. They take a plastic army men game way to serious and for those with wives/gf and or kids. So painting for 2 hours per model for 60+ models thats 120 hours atleast, so 6 straight days of painting.

If I was single and or not in a commited relationship I could probly wing the time but as it stands nope. Actually thinking about it even when I was single I spent 6+ hours a day chasing girls which is far more rewarding lol.

Just think of it this way before you become a hater.

8 hours of sleep
8 hours of work
4 hours with kids and wife
2 hours getting kids washed ready for bed
2 hours alone with the wife.
Thats about 5 days of the week.

The other 2 are
8 hours of sleep
8 hours with the kids and wife
2 hours getting kids to bed and cleaned
2 or more hours alone time with the wife
1 hour of church
2 hiurs of alone time
1 hour of getting clean myself.

For 18 years the kids need me alot after that not so much, so I would rather be known as a good father/husband then a guy with alot of painted toys.

So when I go to a store and there is some kids or oer people saying hey your toys arnt up to my standard I have a real problem with them in general.

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I'm lucky enough that I have tonnes of painted stuff. So I'm able to field fully painted armies of Nids, Marines, and Guard. That doesn't mean I wouldn't proxy in something I hadn't built or painted, or stick a half finished Exocrine/Dreadnought on the table if I really needed to.

Generally though I don't, because I like seeing all my stuff painted, and would rather wait until something is finished before I use it.

 
   
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Getting a game in is more important to me that if everything's been painted - unfortunately for me, even getting a game organized lately has been a chore.

I'm working through models that have been gray, primed or partially painted since Rogue Trader days (and actually found some bare metal minis from RT times as well). Most of my newer stuff is painted, but the things from the days when I played more RPGs than wargames needs to be painted up.

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OgreChubbs wrote:
 jeffersonian000 wrote:
The FLGS I play the most at has a policy in the case of a draw, the better painted army wins. It has an effect of raising the standard.

SJ
If thats the case cheat to win or bring the most op units around.

Spoiler:
I play with 50/50 at best. People who have fully painted armies tend to be.....the type I do not like playing with tho. They take a plastic army men game way to serious and for those with wives/gf and or kids. So painting for 2 hours per model for 60+ models thats 120 hours atleast, so 6 straight days of painting.

If I was single and or not in a commited relationship I could probly wing the time but as it stands nope. Actually thinking about it even when I was single I spent 6+ hours a day chasing girls which is far more rewarding lol.

Just think of it this way before you become a hater.

8 hours of sleep
8 hours of work
4 hours with kids and wife
2 hours getting kids washed ready for bed
2 hours alone with the wife.
Thats about 5 days of the week.

The other 2 are
8 hours of sleep
8 hours with the kids and wife
2 hours getting kids to bed and cleaned
2 or more hours alone time with the wife
1 hour of church
2 hiurs of alone time
1 hour of getting clean myself.

For 18 years the kids need me alot after that not so much, so I would rather be known as a good father/husband then a guy with alot of painted toys.

So when I go to a store and there is some kids or oer people saying hey your toys arnt up to my standard I have a real problem with them in general.

I'm sorry your life seems so dreadful to you. You must work from home, since your regime does not include travel time. Now, I worked from home, just think about all those hours of free time I'd have for the hobby rather than wasting it all on commuting!

SJ

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OgreChubbs wrote:

1 hour of getting clean myself.


I'm not sure what's more shocking. That it takes you an hour to wash, or that you only wash on weekends.


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 Griddlelol wrote:
OgreChubbs wrote:

1 hour of getting clean myself.


I'm not sure what's more shocking. That it takes you an hour to wash, or that you only wash on weekends.

I assumed he's European. Multiple daily bathing is mostly an American thing.

SJ

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 jeffersonian000 wrote:
 Griddlelol wrote:
OgreChubbs wrote:

1 hour of getting clean myself.


I'm not sure what's more shocking. That it takes you an hour to wash, or that you only wash on weekends.

I assumed he's European. Multiple daily bathing is mostly an American thing.

SJ
Actually some of the alone time with the wife is in the shower but thats the TMI place. On weekends when I have free time I get a nice long bath where I like to read.

Also travel time is not really a thing, I work at a saw mill about 10 minutes down the road. But I could not care less what you think and how sad of a life you must live where you need to try and insult me.

That may be something to work on then you will not have so much alone time to play with toys

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Well,i always try to field all painted models.
This is out of respect for my opponent that might have an all painted army and also because this way you show your opponent you are not a "net lister" but someone who actually cares about the hobby ;-)
All-grey armies are usually (in my area) a sign of WAAC netlisters
   
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 Griddlelol wrote:
I don't understand people who play 40K and dislike painting.

What exactly do you see in it? It's hardly got a great rule set, and the fluff doesn't require you to buy miniatures.


i own 100 steel legion miniatures and they're a gigantic PIA to paint. plus i actually like playing mech guard since assault is dead.

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 Griddlelol wrote:
I don't understand people who play 40K and dislike painting.

What exactly do you see in it? It's hardly got a great rule set, and the fluff doesn't require you to buy miniatures.

Is it that hard to believe that some people actually have fun playing 40k?
   
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part of the fun for me is collecting the chapter. im watching every month some more troops show up from the warp. they come in quicker then i can fully paint them.. but it bugs me having them sit in the boxes so i keep putting them together.. sometimes i prime them I have far far more then i need to play with.
   
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OgreChubbs wrote:
 jeffersonian000 wrote:
 Griddlelol wrote:
OgreChubbs wrote:

1 hour of getting clean myself.


I'm not sure what's more shocking. That it takes you an hour to wash, or that you only wash on weekends.

I assumed he's European. Multiple daily bathing is mostly an American thing.

SJ
Actually some of the alone time with the wife is in the shower but thats the TMI place. On weekends when I have free time I get a nice long bath where I like to read.

Also travel time is not really a thing, I work at a saw mill about 10 minutes down the road. But I could not care less what you think and how sad of a life you must live where you need to try and insult me.

That may be something to work on then you will not have so much alone time to play with toys

My apologies, I thought I was being factious when in fact I was being insulting. It was not my intention to create harm.

SJ

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I have a large ork horde and atleast most of them are primed...some are painted, some are just green, no details. I need to get it to a 4 color basic paint job.

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I try to have everything painted up completely before it hits the table, or else its first thing on the desk to get done after the game. I have a massive amount of unboxed plastic waiting for me. I find it therapeutic to pull out a box and start the whole process, finish up a squad and start again. So I've promised myself to only play painted as it gives me impoteus to build the cool stuff.

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I grew up playing games like comand and conquer, empires and starcraft. There is somthing great about sending droves of units to die for a cause. When I first looked into 40k I was near 20 years old hanging with friends saying do you remember that game that was way to complicated and expensive to play when we were younger? Then I realized 40k was the same as those old computer games just no computer required and a better understanding of gambling on stats vs stats.

I guess this all leads to the game being first and foremost a visual experience that I can immerse into and imagine. I find it much harder to get into if more than half of the units/terrain is unfinished. Most people at my local store simply don't have the time off to actually paint 2000+ points but it really hurts the overall experience of the game when I'm playing grey armies. We made a commitment to this hobby, not just the game in order to give ourselves that immersion. I won't refuse to play but it sucks when they aren't even primed or we are playing on a kitchen table with books and cups. I'll still do it because let's face it I'm an addict to 40k but it's for these reasons strikingscorpion has so many views.
   
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Those "old computer games" were written to do what the table top games have been doing for hundreds of years, just with less space and more pixals.

SJ

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