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I really want to build a List around two CSM Landraiders, it's just one of this crazy Ideas that i have for my CSM.

I know that they are very very bad, but i really want that list (or the Landraiders) to work^^


So how do you use your CSM Landraider/s?

- Loadout

- Upgrades

- How many


Btw do you have any Tipps how i can make a (semi-competitve) list with 2 CSM Landraiders in it?


MFG Darksider

You can't. Because vehicles are garbage, and high AV is even more garbage now.

The only way for them to work is a massive, massive points decrease. Really massive.

The ark of unamable horrors is funny to have on one of them and you can put another upgrade on one of them to boost the invul of the near by daemon units. I would also suggest taking durg-casters? Being able to deny your opponent their over watch as you assault them can be funny.

It's also funny when said ark immobilizes itself on a shrub.

Which is why you take a Dozer Blade. Because Chaos Land Raiders can do that.

That's interesting. It's still terrible, but at least you are spared that humiliation.

The FW Landraider proteus is way more interesting than the csm base land raider. Add if you really want to assault from it, go the extra length and take a spartan.

I dunno about upgrading the proteus with the ark though, I'd keep it cheap. That said, it's still only alright. And only if your meta isn't spamming D and haywire & friends.

The only thing the basic csm land raider has going for it, is that it can be a dedicated transport. And that for a unit who probably doesn't want one. So basically, pretend it doesn't exist. With FW there is really no reason to ever consider it. Even as a gun platform the spartan puts out twice the shots a csm land raider does...

As for competition, I dunno. Probably best to convert one of them into a typhon and see where that takes you.

Hm okay.

Btw this concept is more towards a friendly environment, not for really hardcore tournaments.

I know that LR's are garbage, but i want to make this concept/list work!

Is there a way to use them properly?

Sure, use the model as a Spartan. Nobody will bat an eye because almost everyone can agree on the garbage status of Land Raiders.

Yea, and this is coming from somebody who says that warp talons can be used. Are you willing to use FW? Because I suppose you could use the CSM version, but you'll be handicapping yourself for no reason.

Sure, play it as a Spartan. Sucks for me, but D-weapons don't care.

Hmmm.... this is hard when asked "How to make Landraiders work."

Then stated: "Not a competitive environment."

I have no choice but to say "Spend the points and tack-on whatever fluffy upgrades that suit your fancy."

I see no other criteria usable to "make them work".

If this is figured out better I would be very happy to hear it.
My first army was CSM back when I could have daemons.
They have been shelved for an awfully long time.
I keep buying interesting stuff to add to be ready for that fateful day GW chooses to make them relevant.

How "competitive" are simple meltaguns? They're not, because MCs laugh at the ROF 1, but big tanks sure fear them.

Not unless the big tanks have a nice bubble-wrap of cheap infantry around them.

Thanks for your advice guys.

How much bigger is the Spartan in comparison with a LR?

 Darksider wrote:
Thanks for your advice guys.

How much bigger is the Spartan in comparison with a LR?

Its longer

i wouldnt proxy it.

If its truly casual then one or two land raiders filled with mutilators wouldn't be all that bad.

(dont forget CASUAL)

That's a nice idea, unfortunately i don't have Mutilators =(

I have 19 Plague Marines

20 CSM

18 Posessed

10 Termis

Which i am considering to put into that two LRs

 Darksider wrote:
Thanks for your advice guys.
How much bigger is the Spartan in comparison with a LR?

Looking at the side shot of the tank:


Maybe a 1/2" longer than a normal Landraider? (due to the tip of the ramp extending past the tip of the treads)
It looks the same dimensions since the side doors use the same as the Landraider.
I bet the width is exactly the same.

Stick the Possessed in there, make sure the tank has the Dozer-Blade and Dirge Caster upgrades, then drive hell-bent-for-leather into the enemy.

Check this pic.
The difference isn't all that big, but it'S definately noticable.

Well besides it being a bit longer, its also supposed to be casual.

Spartans arent really that casual especially if you load up on all the protective wargear (unless it comes with it automatically (i dont recall)))

Okay it's a little bit bigger (1-2" i suppose?)

Maybe if i am going to a tournament i can use it as Spartan.


But for now i will stick with the LR.

Here are two ideas for my army.

Typhus
2x7 Plaguemarines with 2 Plasma each
2 LRs
Heldrake with Baleflamer
3 Oblits

other list

Typhus
2x5 Plagues in Rhinos with 2 Plasma each
2x8 Posessed
2 LRs


How do you like it? Can i make these two lists better?

In OP he says semi competitive, that's a far cry from casual.

With the options you have, the possessed would probably be the best followed by termis. The spartan would conveniently allow you to charge at iniative thanks to frag launcher so you don't have to worry about not having grenades.

Ideally, the BL possessed from that formation with a daemon prince. That might be a bit hard on points though.

That's a pretty good idea, maybe i can make it work.

Formation

Nurgle DP with Mace

2x8 Possessed (sould i give them a mark?)

Typhus

2x 19 Plaguezombies

2 LRs


If i am going to use Spartans i have to save a lot of points so i either have to cut a lot of Zombies or the Typhus-Shell as a whole.

On the other hand, if you used Crimson slaughter possessed, you'd have a 1/3rd chance per round to give your land raider shrouded. Not overwhelming let alone reliable, but it's something. There's also the formation with the apostel giving them feel no pain. I could imagine Nurgle possessed with fnp in a shrouded land raider with Dirge caster will reach what they want.
You'd also need some CSM for this formation (could use your PMs as CSM + MON), which could either go inside the other land raider OR in one of the rhinos as a smaller distraction. They are cheap, so it doesn't matter if they reach their target .
If you took this formation twice you'd nearly have an army, all of them with FNP when in reach of their apostle.

This probably works better if your taking normal land raiders. Without the frag launchers from spartans there is no guarantee the extra initiative will do you any good. And any daemon prince is quite costly already, not to mention you need to pay for VotLW.
Eyeballing your list, it feels about 1500ish. The land raiders will take up a large portion of that without adding all that much, so you probably want to save points where you can.

You probably just want to keep the csm then and mark them khorne, rather than taking two possessed units. Hopefully shaving off enough points to take another unit of cultists.

Still, the BL version has a lot more punch, but you'd need wings on the dp, which would also give you something to take on flyers.

Like you make anything playable. Invisibility.

Thanks for your answers guys, really appreciate it.

Hm maybe i can squeeze Be'lakor into my list.

So for 1850 point games, this will be no problem at all.

But on 1500? If i take the BL Formation with the Prince (where i forgot to mention the wings ^^) and the possessed, i don't know if i have enough points to put him in the list.

There are some good things about the land raider.

Its can take dirge casters

it can take legacies of ruin

Its still an assault transport in an army that really needs one.

It is tall enough to block line of sight to belakor and fateweaver.

Do you have enough points to make the prince a psyker? some extra daemon summoning would come in real handy.