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I'm currently working on a Tempestus Scions force and was thinking of having Artillery (or really just any ranged heavy firepower) to support them from a range. From what I see, the standard options I have are Space Marines with Devestators/TFCs/Vindicators, or Guard with artillery vehicles/heavy weapons teams. I'm also not opposed to Forgeworld, where one could also get things like Rapier batteries or Thudd Guns.

Which ones are most effective? What do you think would compliment Deep Striking Scions the best?

Well in terms of synergy with Scions, the Emperor's Wrath Artillery Company formation is probably your best bet, as you can give your deepstriking Scion's vox casters and use them to twin link the backfield artillery. The artillery can also ignore cover via orders.

Emp wrath 1000%. Scions, meet twin linked ignores cover basilisks. Basilisks, meet scions.

As stated emperor wrath is a great formation for artillery. It makes everything almost as self sufficient as a wyvern.
2 basilisk
1 manticore

The high str ordinance ap3 large blast devastate marine armies and battle companies.
Add in the fact they now accept mutiple orders as well with its own dedicated company command squad that can take a cheap 10pt relic that almost garuanteed never failing orders (and a cute melee wpn) and you now have the choice of permanant ignores cover or tank/monster hunter. Good luck to any marine or eldar bike squad hoping to jink past those blasts.
Or and str9-10 is Insta death/no fnp territory.

And just for gaks and giggles give a vet or scion squad a vox faster and once a game all those large blasts are also twin linked.

That's a whole lot of fire power. Just for optional gaks and giggles give your ccs a master of ordinance. A 20pt model that throws out another basilisk type blast and his worst feature was his large scatter range which is now mitigated by being twin linked at least one turn as well.

Emperor's Wrath is indeed a sweet deal.

An AP3 overkill of sorts, but who cares? them battle companies are easily the single most annoying army in the game (even above necron/eldar/tau shenanigans), so taking them down a peg is always fun.

With the vox caster synergy, the Emperor's Wrath is probably best for Tempestus.

For other AM forces, look to the static Earthshaker batteries in Imperial Armour. They're cheaper and more resilient than Basilisks.

On top of the Emperor's Wrath, Thunderfire Cannons are great, and the Whirlwind Scorpius taking the Ignores Cover legacy.

Forgeworld artillery is pretty good. I think it's 75 points per earthshaker gun and they can receive infantry orders. Grab 2 units of 2 earthshaker guns and put yarrick with one unit, then give both squads ignore cover. Quite inexpensive. Str9 ap3 large blast with barrage.

Or the medusa gun, its 100 points ish, str 10 ap2 large blast. It is also artillery, så can receive normal orders.

Depends on what you want dead.
But whatever you want dead IG will most likely have the most efficient way to kill it with artillery. And most of the forge world gun with no tank discount artillery pieces are a steal.

I used the Emperor's wrath artillery command in a team game last weekend and it was devastating. I took the formation a little farther with the engineer and put him in a trojan. Best 45pts you can get. Not only does it give the engineer a ride, but it also gives the preferred enemy special rule to any tank within 6". once you combine everything you get Twin-linked, ignore cover, and preferred enemy shot going out.

Immediately I think of the Wyvern. Google it up, there's tons of articles on them being amazing, and why

On a side note, another neat trick with the Emperor's Wrath formation is giving the mandatory command squad a vox caster and 3 plasma guns in order to have 3 twin linked plasma guns on demand (the formation rules state ANY model in the formation may twin link via vox caster. Very useful if anyone comes close to threaten your artillery.

Wyvern is the best for standard quard. As someone else said, forgeworld guns are the best, albeit rather expensive in terms on money (cheap point wise).

Heavy Artillery Carriages are great! And you can include a trojan for each gun. The downside is someone forgot the give the Trojans the Artillery Tractor rule.... Many tournaments have fixed this but it's never actually been FAQ'd or Errata'd. Despite this trojans can still be useful, at 35 points you can think of them as a AV10 heavy bolter team (a heavy bolter team is 25 points), that grants preferred enemy to arty and tanks within 6".

Once I get enough money and spare time for another project I'm going to get three basilisk carriages with the Trojans.... my main issue is how many crew to have for each gun, they're fairly susceptible to counter batteries imo.

Are any of the Space Marine artillery options worth considering? I know Thunderfires are solid and Whirlwinds have a place, but they also have access to Rapier batteries from FW.

Thunderfires are super good, especially that the Techmarine got a wound increase.

Whirlwinds are meh.

I personally love the Whirlwind Scorpius with the Ignores Cover legacy.

Unlike what people would have you believe, whirlwind is decent enough.
Its not that it's very good per see, its that it's rather cheap so you can easily fit a few to provide cover fire for your army.

I wouldn't bring it to a GT, but on friendly games? sure. its usable.


The TFC is a real workhorse though.

From users post, I'm getting the impression that we can use the forge world options of the basilisk and manticore, I'm I correct? If so how are you getting that these version are allowed? I'm just curious. Trying to find a way to save points.

 Glitcha wrote:
From users post, I'm getting the impression that we can use the forge world options of the basilisk and manticore, I'm I correct? If so how are you getting that these version are allowed? I'm just curious. Trying to find a way to save points.

How are you getting that they're not allowed? They're just like any other rules GW publishes.

Now, it should be clarified that the FW "Basilisk" is not a Basilisk, it's a "heavy artillery carriage battery" with earthshaker cannons. It's an entirely separate unit that just happens to use the same gun. So, for example, you can't take a battery of the fixed guns in a formation that requires a Basilisk, just like you can't take a C:SM tactical squad instead of a Basilisk.

 Peregrine wrote:

 Glitcha wrote:
From users post, I'm getting the impression that we can use the forge world options of the basilisk and manticore, I'm I correct? If so how are you getting that these version are allowed? I'm just curious. Trying to find a way to save points.

How are you getting that they're not allowed? They're just like any other rules GW publishes.

Now, it should be clarified that the FW "Basilisk" is not a Basilisk, it's a "heavy artillery carriage battery" with earthshaker cannons. It's an entirely separate unit that just happens to use the same gun. So, for example, you can't take a battery of the fixed guns in a formation that requires a Basilisk, just like you can't take a C:SM tactical squad instead of a Basilisk.

Also to clarify for non FW nutters, there is also a difference between the Fixed position 'Platform Battery' which is an immobile vehicle with AV10 and 2 HP, compared to the Heavy Artillery Carriage Battery which is T7 with 4 wounds but requires 4 crew (with the option of an additional 4). As far as I'm aware, despite the Platform Battery being more fluffy, it requires a rather expensive (pointwise) atlas to move, while in comparison the Carriage can use either a centaur or trojan (covered earlier as a FW mistake).

Remtek wrote:
Forgeworld artillery is pretty good. I think it's 75 points per earthshaker gun and they can receive infantry orders. Grab 2 units of 2 earthshaker guns and put yarrick with one unit, then give both squads ignore cover. Quite inexpensive. Str9 ap3 large blast with barrage.

Or the medusa gun, its 100 points ish, str 10 ap2 large blast. It is also artillery, så can receive normal orders.

There's also a lot of models and toys you can use to save money.


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 BoomWolf wrote:
Unlike what people would have you believe, whirlwind is decent enough.
Its not that it's very good per see, its that it's rather cheap so you can easily fit a few to provide cover fire for your army.

I wouldn't bring it to a GT, but on friendly games? sure. its usable.


The TFC is a real workhorse though.

Yesterday I had whirlwinds annihilate two vet squads in turn 1.

Granted it was some fantastic rolling but... ouch.

 Kid_Kyoto wrote:
Yesterday I had whirlwinds annihilate two vet squads in turn 1.

Granted it was some fantastic rolling but... ouch.

If you have them in a formation they're basically better versions of wyverns.

 Baldeagle91 wrote:

 Kid_Kyoto wrote:
Yesterday I had whirlwinds annihilate two vet squads in turn 1.

Granted it was some fantastic rolling but... ouch.

If you have them in a formation they're basically better versions of wyverns.

I run these in the formation of three and they do good work. With shred these can cause some damage. They cause enough wounds that terminators are not safe either. Most games I play (unless I am against an all knight or a shield generator) they make their points back or come close.

 Peregrine wrote:

 Glitcha wrote:
From users post, I'm getting the impression that we can use the forge world options of the basilisk and manticore, I'm I correct? If so how are you getting that these version are allowed? I'm just curious. Trying to find a way to save points.

How are you getting that they're not allowed? They're just like any other rules GW publishes.

Now, it should be clarified that the FW "Basilisk" is not a Basilisk, it's a "heavy artillery carriage battery" with earthshaker cannons. It's an entirely separate unit that just happens to use the same gun. So, for example, you can't take a battery of the fixed guns in a formation that requires a Basilisk, just like you can't take a C:SM tactical squad instead of a Basilisk.

I'm getting that it is not allowed due to that fact that its two different codex entries. Codex: IG says Basilisk Battery and Imperial Armor 1 2nd edition says Heavy artillery carriage battery. Even tho they have the same gun, it is a different unit. I didn't know if there was some special exception on the Heavy artillery carriage battery that says something along the lines of "Can be taken in place of a Basilisk."

They're simply an additional heavy support choice rather than teplacing then normal basilisk unit