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OgreChubbs wrote:

Also the reason it is a problem is because I enjoy trying to win, using strats and planning to see if I can out think my enemy. To try and plan for everything they can bring and counter it, to read the rules and push them as far as I can to see if I am smarter then the the other guy. If I wanted to roleplay and that crap I would be a larptard. The game is suppose to be a battle recreation tool, not a..... what ever this is.It is the reason GW is pushing this book out so fast and the launch failed.

"The game is suppose to be a battle recreation tool" is hilariously false. That clearly isn't true, nor was this ever the case. If you don't want the game to tell a story, you just want to play something competitive, then don't play Age of Sigmar. It's that simple. And winning any miniatures game doesn't prove you're smarter than anyone. That's ridiculous. If your self-esteem is so dependent on winning a miniatures game, then you clearly should find a different game. One that is designed to be competitive. And good luck finding people that want to game with you.

Albino Squirrel wrote:

OgreChubbs wrote:

Also the reason it is a problem is because I enjoy trying to win, using strats and planning to see if I can out think my enemy. To try and plan for everything they can bring and counter it, to read the rules and push them as far as I can to see if I am smarter then the the other guy. If I wanted to roleplay and that crap I would be a larptard. The game is suppose to be a battle recreation tool, not a..... what ever this is.It is the reason GW is pushing this book out so fast and the launch failed.

"The game is suppose to be a battle recreation tool" is hilariously false. That clearly isn't true, nor was this ever the case. If you don't want the game to tell a story, you just want to play something competitive, then don't play Age of Sigmar. It's that simple. And winning any miniatures game doesn't prove you're smarter than anyone. That's ridiculous. If your self-esteem is so dependent on winning a miniatures game, then you clearly should find a different game. One that is designed to be competitive. And good luck finding people that want to game with you.

That seems a little uncalled for...

I'd be a lot more willing to concede AoS is some roleplay-esque hybrid wargame/RPG or something if it was ever marketed that way, but with so little marketing around it I've never seen one word about that, only that it is a tabletop wargame with two players directly competing against each other and victory conditions that dictate a winner and a loser.

Yeah, there's nothing wrong with wanting to play AoS competitively. In fact it is better suited to it than a lot of war games because the ruleset is so tight and well made. (You don't have rules disputes in AoS in my experience especially compared to 8th).

 Bottle wrote:
Yeah, there's nothing wrong with wanting to play AoS competitively. In fact it is better suited to it than a lot of war games because the ruleset is so tight and well made. (You don't have rules disputes in AoS in my experience especially compared to 8th).

And this is why a 4 page ruleset is actually a great decision by GW. Instead of having to stick to a 200 page rulebook for 2-4 years, even if the balance is awful, you can have a small ruleset, which is completely free and can be added to in the form of FAQs. Much better than paying £30 for an army book, which again could be unbalanced.

What we have to remember though is no matter the system, or your opinion on it, there is always going to be some people who want to break it or push it to its boundaries. Be it 40k, AOS, Infinity, Flames of War, they've all been tested and broken. All games that we play have some kind of freedom to it. We wouldn't want to play a game that was very restricted right? That means people will want to play a game how they want to play it. And if they're having fun while doing so, good for them. Even if it's not my preferred style of play, there are also people who would just say "you know what, lets just have a casual game". And to that, I'd be more at home.