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40K was originally founded on the premise that it was the last days of mankind - it was only a matter of time before the rotting carcass of the Imperium was going to collapse.

Whatever is strong enough to take out the Empire when that day comes the Tau would be hard-pressed to survive.

However, I think the appropriate story line would be: Eldar are wiped out, mankind becomes a dying race like the Eldar and the ascending Tau empire teeters on the brink as the circle of Necrons, Tyranids, Orks and Chaos press inwards on its borders, slowly eating at the Tau's heart.

And a new race emerges at the fringes of the Tau empire, its noble and shining star burning bright against the festering, rotting corpse of the Tau empire...

Eldar lore seem to be going for a "glory and redemption is coming" feel recently. It's possible they'll just get stronger.

 Frozocrone wrote:

 Gamgee wrote:
Did it ever occur to you they sell because they look cool? No one even plays me anymore and I bought my Taunar just to have. I mean if someone wants to have a challenge game sure but mostly because its awesome looking. Also the Taunar isn't banned, but all gargantuan and SHV that have a D blast over a certain size are. So if it were to get a new weapon that fires multiple d shots not in a blast over that size it would not be banned. Which it is because we seen the new heavy rail gun array and meteor missile system variants.

ITC ban all Titan class units, which the Ta'unar is (shares a similar statline to the Tyranid Hierophant). Under current rules, it's never going to be allowed in an ITC event.

As for what I think will happen, they'll give them plot armour that allows their fledgling empire to develop while Chaos and the Imperium go to war. Possibly with relentless interference from the Orks, Ghaz in particular.

In that case that aids my point. People are only buying it because it's cool and fun to model/paint. With maybe some brave opponents who try fight it for fun.

pm713 wrote:
Eldar lore seem to be going for a "glory and redemption is coming" feel recently. It's possible they'll just get stronger.

The original tone has definately changed. Before the creation of the Tau I think it was clear that things were not going to end well for anyone. However, the "bright, shining stars" of the initial Tau release I think has changed GW's approach to the world. It seems like they've begun to consider there might be a way for the various "good" races to pull through and the likes of the Necrons, Chaos, Tyranids and Chaos could be blunted. For example, examine the closing images the Eldar see in the end of the 3rd(?) edition Necron codex vs. the 5th edition. In the 3rd edition its clear the universe's fate is to end up as sacrifices in the Necron's foul machines. In the 5th, the Necrons are instead destined to awaken to battle the Tyranids. There's many other subtle shifts that have been made since 5th edition to suggest that while the end is coming, it may not all end in the death of the universe - a changed one, but not a lost one.

 Stormonu wrote:
40K was originally founded on the premise that it was the last days of mankind - it was only a matter of time before the rotting carcass of the Imperium was going to collapse.

This.

End times is part of the 40k deal already, it won't "come"....

End times as "blowing a world to bits" isn't a challenge for WH 40k, lots of WMD , many factions able to use such weapons.

The only "end times" Tau are going to be a part of is: an end to sitting on the sidelines. Whoever followed the Background development from 3rd Edition to 7th should have seen the Tau meet the rest of the "players" step by step.
WH 40k is a wargame, everybody is involved and fighting all out wars on multiple fronts is common practice.

Picking a faction and making the false assumption of "my guys can pick and choose, they fihgt just 1 opponent at their terms" is silly.

Would Tyranids aim for all the biomass they can get ?
Would Orks refuse to fight ?
Would Chaos go for anything but the ruin and corruption of everyone?
Would Necrons leave any world in somebody elses hands?
Would Eldar stop beeing space elves ?
Would "Humans in space" just give up and leave the emperors galaxy in the hands of the vile xeno , the traitor and the mutant?

So what happens to Tau is they are going to get sandwiched between the fighting major powers and have no escape route beyond weird deus ex machina plot armor nonsense. Not a good place to be IMHO.

Tau may have found a place as a "campaign force" , but never as part of the core of the game. The difference of scale of the major forces and the Tau is just too big. Maybe GW had a chance to run with the dual-concept of Kroot and Tau, a xeno coalition, but they wanted
a purist empire instead and blocked the path to a "federation" or "alliance" of xenos on an equal footing.
Seems like a nice expansion to have more participants in 40k, if some don't have to be everywhere and all the time active. But thats not the concept of GW , isn't it?

 Sgt_Smudge wrote:
Yes, you killed a Chapter Master we'd NEVER heard of before. Sounds rather like a case of Redshirt Death, if you ask me.

But Aun'Va? Supreme Ethereal, holding the actual Empire together? That's a big issue, and shows that not even the Ethereals are safe from the Imperial's wrath.

Tau are insignificant as they are. There are plenty worse races that threaten the Imperium - Orks, Eldar, Hrud, Loxatl, Slaugth, Barghesi. Hell, the Slaugth even occupy an area of space similar to the Tau. And the Barghesi are so deadly, they have an entire Chapter dedicated to guarding against them - can the Tau say likewise?

The Supreme Ethereal dying isn't that big of a deal. The Tau upper class successfully covered it up. It's possible that Aun'va (My Tau is a bit rusty, but that's a rank, I believe) was just a title, and many different Ethereals have held that title (judging by how easily Shadowsun covered his death up).
IMO, Farsight or Shadowsun dying would be a much worse event for the Tau than the death of Aun'va. It's easy to replace a governor like Aun'va (if Aun'va was truly an absolute leader, judging by the mention of Ethereal Councils, he probably wasn't), but losing a military leader of Farsight caliber (Or, despite how much I hate her, even Shadowsun level) would severely hurt the entire Tau military.

Correct answer to the OP: the Tau will BE the end times for 40k. Tau technology will continue to develop to a point where none of the other factions can hope to win, and the end times will be the story of the Imperium's final stand against the inevitable galaxy-spanning Tau Empire.

 Peregrine wrote:
Correct answer to the OP: the Tau will BE the end times for 40k. Tau technology will continue to develop to a point where none of the other factions can hope to win, and the end times will be the story of the Imperium's final stand against the inevitable galaxy-spanning Tau Empire.

Then next time we get to be the bloated corrupt Empire some young guns are fighting off.

The Tau already got to use the Warp for some hand wavium so that they could advance from a primitive state to a space faring race without getting wiped out by the Imperium. I imagine more of that will be needed for Tau to survive.

Barring that I'd say they become a very temporary source of the highest quality bovine products served fresh for the Tyranids. Or an on going source of poorly fed and raised bovine products for Orks. Or they become a highly managed economic source of industry standard bovine products for the Imperium.

 Gamgee wrote:
I'm not talking Damocles Mk1 I'm talking Damocles Mk2 the campaign books from last year. They used something more powerful than a cyclonic torpedo. Something so powerful it nuked an entire region of space, but there was one planetary shield left on the planet and the Tau base/city/region under it survived as did the Tau.

The Ravenguard and White Scars were deployed mostly in full and at the same time they had hundreds of billions of guardsmen and weaponry. Super heavy tanks, skitarri war cohorts, gigantic fleets, hundreds of IK's, the 4 assassins, tank regiments, and a super heavy tank company. The strange exterminatus device which is the strongest ever used only managed to draw the front to a stale mate. However as of the conclusion of the two tooks the Tau took 4 planets and partially lost one. The IoM is now in full defense mode because they expended such high casualties they can't afford to launch any more crusades at the Tau. Which means they fethed up bad and only through tech priest heresy did they manage to stall the Tau.

The high lords of terra created this massive crusade. One of the largest in recent history and the Tau defeated it at a high cost. They lost probably 40% of the entire Tau Empire/Farsight Enclaves military, but they broke the IoM. If it wasn't for deus ex machina they would have pursued them. IoM is setting up every planet to be a heavily defended fortress world in the region because they know its only a matter of time until the Tau return and they lack the regional resources to attack.

They lost hardcore to one Tau planet and half of the Tau army/navy.

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Did it ever occur to you they sell because they look cool? No one even plays me anymore and I bought my Taunar just to have. I mean if someone wants to have a challenge game sure but mostly because its awesome looking. Also the Taunar isn't banned, but all gargantuan and SHV that have a D blast over a certain size are. So if it were to get a new weapon that fires multiple d shots not in a blast over that size it would not be banned. Which it is because we seen the new heavy rail gun array and meteor missile system variants.

The Raven Guard had a Company + Chapter Master, and the White Scars had the Khan's 4th Company.

There was only House Terryn and the Obsidian Knight, and it wasn't all of House Terryn.

And the Tau didn't break the Imperium. It broke a Cadian battlegroup, two Companies of Marines, and part of a Knightly House. And I guess some Skitarii, but do robot people really count as people? It was undoubtedly the biggest Crusade they've launched in the Eastern Fringe in a long time.

And for the record, the Imperium calls any offensive action a Crusade. It's defensive actions get called 'status quo'.

Agrellan was rendered worthless, the Tau lost half of their strength, the Empire has lost their will to expand (for the moment, at least), the Tau were reminded once again their naval power means diddly in comparison to the Imperiums (all of their ships fethed off when they saw the Imperium ride in), and their great leaders, Farsight and Shadowsun were wounded. One of them is stuck in a Ghostkeel now.

Oh, and an entire Nebula is now on fire as a giant middle finger, from the Admech with love.

EDIT: And Damocles Mark 1 ended when Sicarius chipped a nail, realized there wasn't going to be any glorious hand to hand combat moment for him to take all the credit for the war for, and he went home to go stab some Tyranids.

No one is stuck in a ghostkeel. You might be referring to the AI piloted broadside who will just get fixed.

Didn't Shadowsun get crippled and now is put in a Ghostkeel turned life support?

She's a Taunaught. Dreadtau?

Not even close. Your thinking of Oblotai who is one of Farsights merry men. He is an AI recreation of his fire instructor put into a Broadside chassis. He was destroyed by one of the assassins, but he is just an AI he can be rebuilt. Not like it got his memory cores and his backups in the labs back in the enclaves.

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There is also another of Farsights men who is entombed in it with advanced life support nanites keeping him alive, but I can't recall his name off the top of my head. This happened ages before Damocles MK2.

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Shadowsun made copies of her XV22 (signature suit) to bait the raven guard chapter master. They only had chosen Tau willing to sacrifice themselves. Then she was hiding off the battlefield and when the fake Shadowsun died she struck and killed the chapter master. She was in the Ghostkeel when she did this, but then switched back to her XV22. This is Damocles Kauyon so book 1.

I remember she got wounded in the first book after Voltoris, when she gets browbeat by Aun'va immediately afterwards (at least in the anthology).

For some reason I remember something bad happening to her. Maybe I'm confusing her with Torchstar somehow?

Though, after refreshing myself with the 1d4chan page, it seems the only one who won was the Mechanicus, because they got to steal Tau tech, and watch a big explosion.

I mean, unless you count the Tau losing half their forces, the Damocles Gulf being cut off and the Taus expansion being put on hold for the foreseeable future, and pretty much reversing all of their gains up to Agrellan as a win. I mean, I guess they technically held the planet, but it is unusable.

You must be thinking of someone else since it wasn't Shadowsun that happened too. She was wounded on Voltoris but escaped and her small force she took suffered damage then prefecta happens gets conquered, then Agrellan pt 2 which is the end of Mont'ka. Not true in the book there is a map that shows us acquiring 4 new planets on the cut off side than Agrellan got mostly burned except the safe zone. So if Agrellan had not been lost 5, but it mostly is so 4.

So it is a net gain for the Tau as long as they can build back up. Considering your having problems remembering all this it's a wonder there's a lot of people out there who think the tau are just some dusty backwater with a few fancy guns. The whole point of the Tau is they expand and show a new way of doing things. Which is what makes them so threatening. Which is why I can't see them doing anything but expanding. Oh they suffer defeats here and there but they learn from them. Which is what makes them dangerous. However I do think they'll turn their attention to another direction to expand in at least until they are ready to go at the gulf again.

https://1d4chan.org/wiki/Damocles_Crusade

The Tau are a dusty backwater. They aren't even the largest Xenos empire in the 40k universe. They are a blip on the galaxy map, a galaxy that the Imperium controls. The threat they are is often overstated, and the Imperium has devoted more resources to watching non-game races such as the Hrud and the Slaugth than they do the Tau.

Let's look at the map of the Tau Empire.

http://vignette3.wikia.nocookie.net/warhammer40k/images/6/67/Tau_Empire_Galactic_Map.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20130416021456

(This map also handily shows us all of the Tau stuff that is now completely boned due to the firestorm that is the Damocles gulf)

17 septs, average of five worlds each, let's say. 85. Let's add another 20 for their recent conquests and random worlds that might not be part of a sept, and another 20 for the random Xenos and such that are part of team Tau.

125 worlds. not bad for a small fry, not bad at all.

And then the fire wall happened.

The firewall that blocks off the Damocles gulf is one that will block any further Tau expansion (at least into Imperial space) for a long time. Sure, they are in the process of developing something, of course they are, but it is unreliable and expensive. Any Tau colony on the other side, or within the firestorm is completely cut off, capable of being rolled up by any passing Imperium patrol if they are so inclined, since the Imperium literally doesn't care about the fire wall with their ability to travel through the warp.

Farsight lost a decent amount of forces holding Agrellan, and now has to fight alone against Leviathan. He is in no position to strike against the Imperium even if he wanted to.

I mean, before Montka, the Tau didn't even realize the scope of the bear they were poking. They thought Severax was the king of all Space Marines. And now that the Imperium, for the first time, has sent a meaningful force against them, and they lost half of their armies and their high leader.

Is that something that would happen to a player that is a serious contender at a galactic scale? Are those thoughts of a race that have any idea of the Galaxy they are stepping into?

They'll get there.

If the Galaxy survives what is coming, yes, yes they will. I'm sure in five thousand years or so they will have most of the Eastern Fringe and the southern part of the Galaxy. A lot hinges on how the battle for Ultramar goes, that will really determine how much they gain.

 Crazyterran wrote:
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Okay. Now what's your fething point? Am I supposed to quit the hobby because my chosen faction is tiny, insignificant, inconsequential, etc.? Because it sure as feth doesn't feel like I'm "allowed" to enjoy the hobby like you lot are.

Tau are small and smart.

Yes high end impirium tech and war ships make them look like toy weapons but there going to survive by brains, not the imperial brawn and mass scale.

Tau are smart, adapt and evolve. They have own way to survive.

 Sidstyler wrote:

 Crazyterran wrote:
*snip*

Okay. Now what's your fething point? Am I supposed to quit the hobby because my chosen faction is tiny, insignificant, inconsequential, etc.? Because it sure as feth doesn't feel like I'm "allowed" to enjoy the hobby like you lot are.

I think his point is that it doesn't really matter what happens to the Tau when the end times comes because they're one of many minor xenos races.

They really aren't a major galactic power like the Imperium or like the Eldar and Necrons used to be. Neither are they a major galactic threat like Chaos or Tyranids.

So, either they'll take the opportunity to thrive or they'll get wiped out but they aren't going to significantly change things on a galactic scale.

 Scott-S6 wrote:
So, either they'll take the opportunity to thrive or they'll get wiped out but they aren't going to significantly change things on a galactic scale.

Do they need to? That's one thing I don't understand when people constantly harp on about how "insignificant" the Tau are, how the Imperium could "easily" destroy them (I guess they just haven't wanted it badly enough, since they already tried and failed multiple times), how GW could easily Squat them and the game wouldn't suffer for it (which is bullgak, this game is a hard sell as it is without GW cutting support for factions for stupid reasons and wasting people's time and money)...why can't the Tau just fething be, like what's so hard about that? Why does every playable faction have to be a major galactic player in order to be considered valid? The Hrud and all these other "minor" xenos races apparently exist and no one seems at all bothered by them, it's only the Tau.

I'm perfectly okay with Tau not significantly changing things on a galactic scale and being the kings of their gakky little backwater, I literally couldn't care less. I bought the army because I liked the models and because I wanted to play the game, the background means almost nothing to me because it's all made-up bullgak to sell toys, and most of it's trash anyway (especially "modern" 40k fluff). All its there for is to provide some context for the battles with your miniature dudemanz, because some people feel better having a "reason" for their dudemanz to be fighting. You realize that GW could have just as easily retconned 40k fluff and made it so that the Tau owned half the galaxy and were the Imperium's biggest rival second only to the forces of Chaos, if they really wanted to, right? When you look at what GW did to WHF and all the other stupid gak they've been adding or changing in 40k for years, it sure as hell doesn't look like they care if they piss fans off or not, so it's not like such a massive and sudden change would be completely out of the realm of possibility. If anything they did everyone a favor by putting them in a relatively small and inconsequential part of space, so that us Tau players could have our armies and participate in the game still, without stepping on too many toes or really mucking gak up too much for everyone else, like what I just described. People won't accept Tau as it is, and I have no doubt that scenario would have been enough to make a lot of people rage quit.

Personally I would love to see some of those other minor xenos races get models, or to become playable factions of their own like Tau are (and no, not "replacing" Tau, either). In any case you can bet your ass that if there ever is an End Times event for 40k Tau won't be going anywhere. If it's anything like AoS GW will still be selling all the same kits, maybe phasing out the Finecast ones, and just renaming them all "Tayau" or something just as silly.

 Sidstyler wrote:

 Crazyterran wrote:
*snip*

Okay. Now what's your fething point? Am I supposed to quit the hobby because my chosen faction is tiny, insignificant, inconsequential, etc.? Because it sure as feth doesn't feel like I'm "allowed" to enjoy the hobby like you lot are.

Clearly that was what I was saying. I mean, you clearly read the whole thread and somehow didn't see that it got sidetracked by current 40K galactic politics rather than the original topic.

The Tau are the little fish with sharp teeth in a galaxy filled with big fish with even bigger teeth. They are the under dogs, the up and coming, the in game example of one of the smaller players trying to make their way in a galaxy that is harsh and unforgiving.

Hell, I own a Tau army. Haven't played with it in ages, but it's not like I hate them or anything.

Edit: if there's a for real end times, I expect the entire Ultima Sgmentum to be pulled into an alternate dimension by Necron douchery, allowing them to have an example of every fsction ready for the reboot. Meanwhile, all the crazy events of the end times happens in the Segmentum Solar and Segmentum Obscuras.

 Peregrine wrote:
Correct answer to the OP: the Tau will BE the end times for 40k. Tau technology will continue to develop to a point where none of the other factions can hope to win, and the end times will be the story of the Imperium's final stand against the inevitable galaxy-spanning Tau Empire.

Ever read Rise of the Tau?

 Gamgee wrote:

 Peregrine wrote:
Correct answer to the OP: the Tau will BE the end times for 40k. Tau technology will continue to develop to a point where none of the other factions can hope to win, and the end times will be the story of the Imperium's final stand against the inevitable galaxy-spanning Tau Empire.

Then next time we get to be the bloated corrupt Empire some young guns are fighting off.

NO. They are NOT going to turn Warhammer 40k into Red Dawn in Space. BAD!


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 jhe90 wrote:
Tau are small and smart.

Yes high end impirium tech and war ships make them look like toy weapons but there going to survive by brains, not the imperial brawn and mass scale.

Tau are smart, adapt and evolve. They have own way to survive.

I just want to point out that the only reason humans are as dominant on Earth in real life as we are is because of our brains. We are not particularly strong or fast. We don't have sharp claws or teeth, we don't have natural venoms or poisons to ward off predators. Our skin is laughable as protection. We can be taken out in a fistfight with our pet dogs and the only reason housecats don't kill and eat us is because we're too big.

We started wiping out the species that preyed on us at a time when our most advanced technology was a sharpened rock tied to a long stick. We invented writing (probably) because we found a very vulnerable spot on a prey animal and wanted to be able to communicate that knowledge to everyone. That's not really that related, but it's still cool as hell.

Without our smarts and technology, we would be utterly pathetic as a species.

 Sidstyler wrote:

 Scott-S6 wrote:
So, either they'll take the opportunity to thrive or they'll get wiped out but they aren't going to significantly change things on a galactic scale.

why can't the Tau just fething be, like what's so hard about that? Why does every playable faction have to be a major galactic player in order to be considered valid?

Who said they need to be a galactic player?

 Sidstyler wrote:

The Hrud and all these other "minor" xenos races apparently exist and no one seems at all bothered by them, it's only the Tau.

The Hrud, etc. don't have a fanbase that likes to make them out to be way more important than they actually are. In many ways the worse thing about the Tau and the cause of much of the Tau hate isn't actually anything about the Tau themselves - it's a certain vocal portion of their fan base (same is true of Star Trek...)

 Scott-S6 wrote:
The Hrud, etc. don't have a fanbase that likes to make them out to be way more important than they actually are. In many ways the worse thing about the Tau and the cause of much of the Tau hate isn't actually anything about the Tau themselves - it's a certain vocal portion of their fan base (same is true of Star Trek...)

Yeah, how dare the Tau players make their faction out to be more than some random NPC faction that got a one-sentence mention somewhere in a book from 1985. It's just so unreasonable for them to think that their army matters. Clearly they should all submit to the divine glory of the space marines.


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 Scott-S6 wrote:
So, either they'll take the opportunity to thrive or they'll get wiped out but they aren't going to significantly change things on a galactic scale.

They aren't going to change things on a galactic scale yet. However, in the long run, the galaxy will be owned by the Tau. They are the only faction that is capable of improving their technology, and eventually they will reach a point where a single gun drone is capable of floating up to the Emperor's golden toilet, titan shots bouncing harmlessly off its paint (after all, why bother turning the shields on against such weak opposition), and turning the corpse-god into a smoking crater. Not that it will really matter of course, with the Imperium's military forces already so thoroughly doomed, which is why such a trivial task would be assigned to a barely-sentient weapon platform instead of actual Tau soldiers.

 Scott-S6 wrote:

 Sidstyler wrote:

 Scott-S6 wrote:
So, either they'll take the opportunity to thrive or they'll get wiped out but they aren't going to significantly change things on a galactic scale.

why can't the Tau just fething be, like what's so hard about that? Why does every playable faction have to be a major galactic player in order to be considered valid?

Who said they need to be a galactic player?

I'm pretty sure there have been countless people who have explicitly said that the fact that Tau aren't a major galactic player is one of the many reasons why they shouldn't exist. I don't have time to go trolling through all the previous Tau hate threads that we've had every other week in order to start naming names, but it's not an uncommon sentiment and is most likely what inspired this thread in the first place.

Like I said, Tau don't have to be a galactic player for me to like them or want to play them, but too often other people seem to use that as a factor to determine whether their existence is "justified" or not. The 40k universe is big enough for the Tau and probably dozens of other races, and even if you couldn't justify making each and every one a full, playable faction, there's a lot of opportunities to make some really awesome models in there. Apparently some people just want more Space Marines and can't stand the thought that Tau or anyone else would take that away from them.

 Scott-S6 wrote:

 Sidstyler wrote:

The Hrud and all these other "minor" xenos races apparently exist and no one seems at all bothered by them, it's only the Tau.

The Hrud, etc. don't have a fanbase that likes to make them out to be way more important than they actually are. In many ways the worse thing about the Tau and the cause of much of the Tau hate isn't actually anything about the Tau themselves - it's a certain vocal portion of their fan base (same is true of Star Trek...)

Probably because the Hrud, etc. don't have a fanbase. That's why you never see anyone talk about them, because no one has hundreds/thousands of dollars or hours invested in a Hrud, Barghesi, etc. army. There aren't even any Hrud, etc. models for people to buy, they're literally a sentence or two in a paragraph in some part of the core rulebook fluff that no one ever read because it didn't have anything to do with Space Marines. They might as well not exist, and I'd wager that most people probably don't even know that they do anyway, as they just don't read the background that closely, or haven't been into 40k as long as some of the "vets" have to know about them. Hell, there were people out there who didn't even know who Dark Eldar were before 2010, just because no one ever played them, and they were a hell of a lot easier to find in the fluff than the fething Hrud are.

People defend Tau because they're a full-fledged faction with a large model range and 15 years of support, there's a hell of a lot more there than there ever was for the Hrud or the others. Dropping one of the other "minor" xenos factions from the game wouldn't have any real impact on anything, almost literally no one would care, unlike dropping Tau which would invalidate hundreds of expensive collections and alienate all those people. Also, I'm personally not seeing how the Tau fanbase is any worse than it is for Marines or Eldar. It's the same thing in my eyes; gamers are sometimes eccentric or excitable and they get really into a faction or the lore for a game, and they want to talk about it. And naturally everyone is going to think their favorite is "the best"...if anything I'd say Marine fanboys are the absolute worst, in that regard, because their terrible Mary Sue background helps fuel that kinda crap and you get into situations where you literally can't win an argument with a Marine fan because they're truly convinced that Marines are practically invincible, and that one of their guys should be able to take out your entire army with ease, which is made even worse when they start arguing that this should be reflected in the rules and it's not "fair" for the Marine player that you have a chance of winning against them at all. Eldar players are about as bad, displaying the same kind of arrogance and entitlement you see in the Eldar fluff itself and acting like Eldar superiority is just the natural order of things. So many other fans tend to get "in character" it seems like, and people just kinda groan and shrug it off because that's just how gamers are, they get "weird" sometimes, but most of the time it's not really that harmful, and if anything people being enthusiastic about the game is generally good for the game in the long run. Shows there are people invested in it and they actually care. When Tau players do it, though? Apparently it's wrong, it's gone too far.

Which is why I said before, we're not "allowed" to enjoy our hobby because we like Tau, apparently, because if we show the same exact love or passion for our army that the others do we get mocked or insulted for it, and held up as an example as to why everyone hates us so much.

I have question for you. How would you design a new race to make a model range? It has to be an alien race with no connection to existing ones. So no Eldar Exodites or sub factions ect.

How would you go about doing that if there is no fanbase in place? I'm just curious since if your only metric for deciding what should exist is it has models than nothing new would get made.

Probably get their warpstorm happening again for Plot Armour Storm 2: Shas'O Boogie and emerge even more advanced to compensate.