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Shadow Captain Edithae wrote: National Sovereignty and self determination is important for any country, no matter its size.
So you will be supporting Yes in Indyref 2 then?
No. Scotland is not a country. And neither is England for that matter. They are both former countries that willingly chose to unite.
We might have different takes on "willingly". Being told to unite or you lose all of your English lands doesn't seem like a fair choice.
Scotland was an independent country until 1707 when the English parliament, using a mixture of quite open blackmail and less open bribery, persuaded a powerful
group of Scottish aristocrats to vote for the union of the English and Scottish parliaments
.... I really do not understand the world anymore.
The poor man really has a stake in the country. The rich man hasn't; he can go away to New Guinea in a yacht. The poor have sometimes objected to being governed badly; the rich have always objected to being governed at all
We love our superheroes because they refuse to give up on us. We can analyze them out of existence, kill them, ban them, mock them, and still they return, patiently reminding us of who we are and what we wish we could be.
"the play's the thing wherein I'll catch the conscience of the king,
malamis wrote: One component which doesn't see much discussion is the Darien Disaster, which effectively brought the country to bankruptcy shortly before the AoU.
I know that its massively OT but its interesting none the less. William Paterson, essentially the founder of the Bank of England, was also largely responsible for the Darien scheme.
That happens anyway does it not? Being in the EU doesn't exempt you form customs charges if a purchases warrants it.
The destination country imposes the tariff on received goods.
Caveat Emptor!
No you don't; that's the point of free trade in the EU. There's no tariffs or VAT applied on importing the goods from the EU . Any taxes are levied by the country you are buying from. The only exception is if you buy goods from a restricted area like canaries or Channel Islands. If you've bought it from day Germany should be no extra tax or duty paid. However if you bought it from a German seller who then had shipped from say Hong Kong then you would have to pay.
"Because while the truncheon may be used in lieu of conversation, words will always retain their power. Words offer the means to meaning, and for those who will listen, the enunciation of truth. And the truth is, there is something terribly wrong with this country, isn't there? Cruelty and injustice, intolerance and oppression. And where once you had the freedom to object, to think and speak as you saw fit, you now have censors and systems of surveillance coercing your conformity and soliciting your submission. How did this happen? Who's to blame? Well certainly there are those more responsible than others, and they will be held accountable, but again truth be told, if you're looking for the guilty, you need only look into a mirror. " - V
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"It's not a problem if you don't look up." - Dakka's approach to politics
"Our crops will wither, our children will die piteous
deaths and the sun will be swept from the sky. But is it true?" - Tom Kirby, CEO, Games Workshop Ltd
"Our crops will wither, our children will die piteous
deaths and the sun will be swept from the sky. But is it true?" - Tom Kirby, CEO, Games Workshop Ltd
I wonder if Miss May said to Hollande when she got to France, 'One of the reasons I want to delay is in case you lose your job and I can deal with someone friendlier to us'?
"Because while the truncheon may be used in lieu of conversation, words will always retain their power. Words offer the means to meaning, and for those who will listen, the enunciation of truth. And the truth is, there is something terribly wrong with this country, isn't there? Cruelty and injustice, intolerance and oppression. And where once you had the freedom to object, to think and speak as you saw fit, you now have censors and systems of surveillance coercing your conformity and soliciting your submission. How did this happen? Who's to blame? Well certainly there are those more responsible than others, and they will be held accountable, but again truth be told, if you're looking for the guilty, you need only look into a mirror. " - V
I've just supported the Permanent European Union Citizenship initiative. Please do the same and spread the word!
"It's not a problem if you don't look up." - Dakka's approach to politics
At least Softbank of Japan impelled by a weak GBP and strong JPY has managed to swoop on ARM Technoligies and buy up one of the world's best computer design companies.
Yep, look how well the Cadbury sale went for the UK, tax contributions moved to Switzerland and closure of facilities days afterwards when they said that wouldn't happen.
Although not directly a Brexit issue as the sale would have probably happened which ever way the vote went Softbank almost certainly were laughing all the way to the bank by Brexit devaluing the company by 15%. I'm definitely for legislating that sales of such companies should be agreed by the government and that sales are agreed on the impact of population as a whole (so if they say they aren't going to close somewhere they can't for an agreed period of time). Otherwise they are just buying the value in the name and then screwing over the country that brought it forward.
On the other hand it's probably not what the Tories want...
I now see why Boris is FS because his role suit what the government want to do:-
"Because while the truncheon may be used in lieu of conversation, words will always retain their power. Words offer the means to meaning, and for those who will listen, the enunciation of truth. And the truth is, there is something terribly wrong with this country, isn't there? Cruelty and injustice, intolerance and oppression. And where once you had the freedom to object, to think and speak as you saw fit, you now have censors and systems of surveillance coercing your conformity and soliciting your submission. How did this happen? Who's to blame? Well certainly there are those more responsible than others, and they will be held accountable, but again truth be told, if you're looking for the guilty, you need only look into a mirror. " - V
I've just supported the Permanent European Union Citizenship initiative. Please do the same and spread the word!
"It's not a problem if you don't look up." - Dakka's approach to politics
Yep. Businesses can deal with any kind of environment, but they hate uncertainty. Wait and see will be the word until the final Brexit dust settles and that will be the anchor on the economy, as well as the ripple effects thereof. I'm personally betting on US$-GBP of $1.20+/- as a target, then it's Forge World time.
Here's just another bit I saw on my side of the pond.
Kilkrazy wrote: At least Softbank of Japan impelled by a weak GBP and strong JPY has managed to swoop on ARM Technoligies and buy up one of the world's best computer design companies.
That's got to be a good thing for Britain?
If I recall correctly, the last time Japan seriously invested in British Industry it was the Scottish Shipyards, and specifically the metallurgy resources.
Did not work out well.
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Some people find the idea that other people can be happy offensive, and will prefer causing harm to self improvement.
Belt? can't afford one - piece of rope around the waist for me
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Kilkrazy wrote: At least Softbank of Japan impelled by a weak GBP and strong JPY has managed to swoop on ARM Technoligies and buy up one of the world's best computer design companies.
That's got to be a good thing for Britain?
The perception is that once again, the Tories have allowed the family silver to get flogged off.
Considering May's previous comments on blocking the Cadbury take-over if she had been in charge, it's egg on face time for May.
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"Our crops will wither, our children will die piteous
deaths and the sun will be swept from the sky. But is it true?" - Tom Kirby, CEO, Games Workshop Ltd
I don't believe in Corbyns new style of politics nor do I think that this new wave of support he is getting will be anything other than disappointed in JC Style premiership. However this is just bonkers:
...Anti-Corbyn plotters in the parliamentary Labour party (PLP) have vowed to hold annual leadership challenges against the Labour leader in what they call a “war of attrition”, if he wins again in September – proving they are willing to hand the Conservative another election victory to topple their own leader....
Just, you know, just stand down, go independent or start another party or back the leader that is elected.
If one faction within a party decides to subvert the party's mechanisms in order to achieve a different objective to what the leader wants, and they succeed, then they succeed, boot out the former "leader" and restructure the party as they want.
Obviously at the same time, other factions within the party are likely to be aiming at different objectives.
Have you ever played Steve Jackson Games's Illuminati card game?
Its not dead. What will probably happen is that JC will win the leadership contest which will force some of the PLP to accept his leadership, 2 consecutive leadership wins would be hard to ignore after all. The hard right MPs like Hilary Benn (whose father must be spinning in his grave so fast he could be used to generate electricity) will probably beak off to form a short lived and largely irrelevant party like the SDP.
If Owen Smith wins its possible that the Labour party would remain in its left of centre stance although I have my doubts. If it moves back to the right it will return to the unenviable position it was in where Ed Milliband left it.
Irrespective of what happens in the short term the UK will be stuck with yet another Tory government in 2020, unless some miracle occurs of course.
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Can a JC led party ever be seen as credible? Even with a convincing win last last year and the possibility of a greater win this time around?
Corbyn needs to flesh out his policies and get the message about those out. Whilst he is sure of support from Momentum or whatever, he needs to convince voters like me, that he can cut it if given the keys to power.
He will have 3 years to attempt just that. Provided that the PLP get the message
He hasn't really had a lot of time in the leadership position when he hasn't been fighting off civil war so hopefully he can start engaging more fully with the wider voting public at the end of the year.
This report was out on 14th July, so it's a bit old. I don't know why I missed it at the time, probably was too busy with "stuff".
Anyway, the core point is that a leading Business Brexiteer says it is unrealistic and damaging to try to reduce immigration to under 100,000 per year, but that's OK because immigration was not the no.1 concern for most Leave voters.
I am forced to ask what the fething hell this whole referendum thing was all about.
On mature reflection, it was the most ill-judged and badly enacted socio-political process of I don't know how long, decades? Both sides are to blame. It never should have happened, and everyone is going to be worse off as a result.
Yesterday I met a 20-year-old student studying industrial design. He had been trying to line up a year in Germany for his industrial placement, working on production machinery design. It was under an EU cooperative programme. I told him he ought to still apply, because some chance is better than to give up.
This report was out on 14th July, so it's a bit old. I don't know why I missed it at the time, probably was too busy with "stuff".
Anyway, the core point is that a leading Business Brexiteer says it is unrealistic and damaging to try to reduce immigration to under 100,000 per year, but that's OK because immigration was not the no.1 concern for most Leave voters.
I am forced to ask what the fething hell this whole referendum thing was all about.
Spoiler:
On mature reflection, it was the most ill-judged and badly enacted socio-political process of I don't know how long, decades? Both sides are to blame. It never should have happened, and everyone is going to be worse off as a result.
Yesterday I met a 20-year-old student studying industrial design. He had been trying to line up a year in Germany for his industrial placement, working on production machinery design. It was under an EU cooperative programme. I told him he ought to still apply, because some chance is better than to give up.
Maybe he can get to go to China or India instead.
It was about ensuring that the laws we are beholden to are made by the people we can vote out - the fact that when you spot that something needs to change, you have at least two ways of having your point discussed in parliment and potentially have your point enshrined in law.
It doesn't sound as emotive, evocative or polarising as the many bs arguments which flew all over the place during the 'debate' but it's the most poinigant by a country mile.
Anything else is smoke and mirrors utilised by activists on both sides who had a vested interest in obfuscating and convoluting the real reason why you would want to vote 'leave' - politicians know that peoples votes are based on lies, irrationality and good ol' ignorance and the lowest common denominator wins.
Any sensible points were going to get sidelined during the 'debate' and picking through the statements which were made and poking holes in it is a bit late now.
"Never argue with the stupid; they'll just drag you down to their level and then win the argument with nothing but 'experience'."
Of course, if you don't like this country any more you can move freely to an EU country in the meantime yeah?
On the migration thing - finally we can have a FAIR migration policy; it had been skewed to allow for the EU free movement fantasy to exist: a bunch of peeps i know at uni who came from india and pakistan won't have to jump through flaming hoops to live and work here when the people from Europe can come and go as they please.
I want equality - GENUINE equality. Not the EU preferential migration fantasy.
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"jack of all trades, master of none; certainly better than a master of one"
The Ordo Reductor - the guy's who make wonderful things like the Landraider Achillies, but can't use them in battle..
Of course, if you don't like this country any more you can move freely to an EU country in the meantime yeah?
That's exactly what I intend to do
I find UK politics as a whole repugnant alongside the attitudes of an unfortunately large percentage of the population. Around the time of the next GE I will be somewhere in the EU or Scotland depending on the result of Indyref2 so soon to be in the EU.
On the migration thing - finally we can have a FAIR migration policy; it had been skewed to allow for the EU free movement fantasy to exist: a bunch of peeps i know at uni who came from india and pakistan won't have to jump through flaming hoops to live and work here when the people from Europe can come and go as they please.
I want equality - GENUINE equality. Not the EU preferential migration fantasy.
Right, the UK is NOT part of Schengen, Therefore your friends from outside the EU are not applying for Schengen Visa's, just UK Visa's. NOTHING, literally NOTHING will change for them. Ironically if the UK remains in the free market, we will still have to accept 'free migration' from the EU.
On the migration thing - finally we can have a FAIR migration policy; it had been skewed to allow for the EU free movement fantasy to exist: a bunch of peeps i know at uni who came from india and pakistan won't have to jump through flaming hoops to live and work here when the people from Europe can come and go as they please.
I want equality - GENUINE equality. Not the EU preferential migration fantasy.
Right, the UK is NOT part of Schengen, Therefore your friends from outside the EU are not applying for Schengen Visa's, just UK Visa's. NOTHING, literally NOTHING will change for them. Ironically if the UK remains in the free market, we will still have to accept 'free migration' from the EU.
Logically, if immigration from the EU is/can be reduced, surely that will allow the Government to relax measures on non-EU immigrants by mere virtue of everybody being treated the same with no special treatment for EU citizens and no
When we've got severe shortages in housing, hospitals, education, policing etc and we can't keep up with the levels of immigration, the Government needs to try to restrict that immigration somehow, even if its just a meaningless futile exercise to keep up appearances and placate the electorate. Currently they cannot restrict EU immigration because Freedom Of Movement, but they can restrict non-EU immigration and so they treat non-EU citizens with disproportionate harshness.
All we're asking for is for that change and everybody be treated equally. Relatively, non-EU citizens would/should find it easier to immigrate, whereas EU citizens will find it more difficult. A level playing field.
On the migration thing - finally we can have a FAIR migration policy; it had been skewed to allow for the EU free movement fantasy to exist: a bunch of peeps i know at uni who came from india and pakistan won't have to jump through flaming hoops to live and work here when the people from Europe can come and go as they please.
I want equality - GENUINE equality. Not the EU preferential migration fantasy.
Right, the UK is NOT part of Schengen, Therefore your friends from outside the EU are not applying for Schengen Visa's, just UK Visa's. NOTHING, literally NOTHING will change for them. Ironically if the UK remains in the free market, we will still have to accept 'free migration' from the EU.
Which is good, because foreign students are absolutely ripped off by the university system in regards to fees. The University of Kent (the one I went too) loved have forge in students because the fees were £15,000 a year, compared to £9,000 for a regular student (or £3,000) for me because I was Welsh. Maybe if they stopped coming, the University's might actually lower their fees.
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