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 Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote:
Top expert says weak pound is good news for Britain:

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/business/news/why-the-plummeting-pound-sterling-is-good-news-for-britain-a7353846.html


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 A Town Called Malus wrote:
MPs have to represent everyone in their constituency, even those who do not vote or are unable to vote. If it is bad for their constituency as a whole to leave the EU, due to losing EU funding with no guarantee of it being replaced by funding from Westminster for example, then should they not do what is best for the majority of their constituents, even if it is not what those who voted in the referendum wanted?

If I thought they were acting in the voters' best interests I would agree, but ti's clear to me that a lot of them are thinking only about their bank balance and future jobs at the EU.

Look at Neil Kinnock: once a dedicated campaigner against the EEC and the EU, now working for them...

That is all very well, but the constitution says that Parliament is supreme, and a Treaty cannot be ratified or invalidated without a debate and a division.

Herzlos wrote:

 Future War Cultist wrote:
But how can we adequately plan our civic amenities when we don't know how many people are going to emigrate to our country in a given time?

By future proofing and actually making an effort with our infrastructure instead of half-assing it. As mentioned, in national terms the migration rate is tiny, though it may be clustered in some smaller areas, which can still be handled.

Since when did British governments ever care about future proofing? The average British politician thinks only as far ahead as the next election.

 Shadow Captain Edithae wrote:
But the two are not entirely unrelated. Political and electoral pressure forces governments to "do" something about immigration. If EU migration is sacrosanct and untouchable, then that leaves only non-EU migrants, and therefore they put much stricter measures on them than they would if we weren't required to have an open border with Europe.

We can only cope with a finite number of immigrants after all (let's call it 10). If the EU requires us to let as many EU citizens come here as want to, (let's say 7/10). Then we only have space for another 3 non EU migrants.

So the government disproportionately restricts non EU migration, because its all they can do. How is that fair? Why should Europeans get special treatment over say an American, Canadian, an Indian or Chinese?

Because Britons have the same unrestricted right to live and work and study in other EU member states as well, while they would need visa and income/education requirements to work in the US, Canada, India or China.

An interesting point to mention is that UK citizens seem to worry more about intra-EU migration while the most of the other EU-members are worried about external immigration, particularly from the Arab world and sub-Saharan Africa. I'm not sure what causes this difference.

 Shadow Captain Edithae wrote:

Herzlos wrote:

 Future War Cultist wrote:
But how can we adequately plan our civic amenities when we don't know how many people are going to emigrate to our country in a given time?

By future proofing and actually making an effort with our infrastructure instead of half-assing it. As mentioned, in national terms the migration rate is tiny, though it may be clustered in some smaller areas, which can still be handled.

Since when did British governments ever care about future proofing? The average British politician thinks only as far ahead as the next election.

That is exactly the problem. And instead of blaming our government and trying to fix it, we're blaming the EU and foreigners.


That said, the Victorians over-built everything and a lot of it is still in use 100+ years later. Back when we had a worthwhile Empire and were actually leading the world. We need more guys like Isembard Kingdom Brunel (and that is possibly the best name I've ever heard).


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 Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote:


I keep hearing doom and gloom left, right, and center, but tourism is up 2%, and exports are booming like never before...

Crisis? What crisis?

Ok, I jest a bit, but things are not that bad...

We will survive.

Yeah, the tanking GBP has made us pretty cheap for Europe / ROW. Where we'll start hurting is on imports and jobs and our own tourism (Brits staying at home or moving abroad).

It's going pretty well so far though, which is good. I just can't see how it'll last.

 Antario wrote:

 Shadow Captain Edithae wrote:
But the two are not entirely unrelated. Political and electoral pressure forces governments to "do" something about immigration. If EU migration is sacrosanct and untouchable, then that leaves only non-EU migrants, and therefore they put much stricter measures on them than they would if we weren't required to have an open border with Europe.

We can only cope with a finite number of immigrants after all (let's call it 10). If the EU requires us to let as many EU citizens come here as want to, (let's say 7/10). Then we only have space for another 3 non EU migrants.

So the government disproportionately restricts non EU migration, because its all they can do. How is that fair? Why should Europeans get special treatment over say an American, Canadian, an Indian or Chinese?

Because Britons have the same unrestricted right to live and work and study in other EU member states as well, while they would need visa and income/education requirements to work in the US, Canada, India or China.

An interesting point to mention is that UK citizens seem to worry more about intra-EU migration while the most of the other EU-members are worried about external immigration, particularly from the Arab world and Saharan Africa. I'm not sure what causes this difference.

Simple difference really its a land boarder and/or "short" sea trip plus the uk is not on the front line of the current migration.

 Shadow Captain Edithae wrote:

Since when did British governments ever care about future proofing? The average British politician thinks only as far ahead as the next election.

That's not true. They think ahead to ensuring they'll have cosy jobs with corporation X following leaving Parliament.

Antario wrote:An interesting point to mention is that UK citizens seem to worry more about intra-EU migration while the most of the other EU-members are worried about external immigration, particularly from the Arab world and sub-Saharan Africa. I'm not sure what causes this difference.

Brits do worry about outside EU immigration but you are far more likely to be called racist\bigoted\a terrible human being. There's a reason it only started being properly talked about when it came to the Polish.

Herzlos wrote:
Yeah, the tanking GBP has made us pretty cheap for Europe / ROW. Where we'll start hurting is on imports and jobs and our own tourism (Brits staying at home or moving abroad).

It's going pretty well so far though, which is good. I just can't see how it'll last.

Wonder how Brit will cope when they lose access to free market in EU. They cannot by domestic policy budge from no free movement and EU is flat out against free market without free movement. So off with free market.

We'll take a massive hit to the economy and them move on. It'll still be cheaper to trade with EU than further afield.

That really depends on whatever Tariffs are levied. No one knows what that will look like, or how it will affect. I've seen tariffs quoted ranging from 5% to 40% on various items. It maybe cheaper to import from further afield, who knows?
What is certain, is that outside of the Single market lies a whole raft of uncertainty, and that usually means increased costs.

On a positive note, May has finally agreed to allow parliament to examine the Govt's BREXIT proposal before going ahead with article 50. That should at least give them a chance to ensure we're not committing financial suicide on the altar of Tory hubris.

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/brexit-climbdown-as-theresa-may-makes-amendment-to-allow-tories-to-back-labour-motion_uk_57fdd4f2e4b0a9568544eeb6?utm_hp_ref=uk&utm_hp_ref=uk


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Herzlos wrote:
....Yeah, the tanking GBP has made us pretty cheap for Europe / ROW. Where we'll start hurting is on imports and jobs and our own tourism (Brits staying at home or moving abroad).

It's going pretty well so far though, which is good. I just can't see how it'll last.

It's going pretty well so far because everything is still in place and we're still part of the EU. If we'd invoked article 50 the day after, like some people wanted or expected, things would be decidedly different.
For a start we'd have wasted the first few months sorting our our own political implosion before we'd even given ourselves a chance.

On another plus side, the Royal yacht Brittannia has been sunk, again. The Brexit penis extension proposed by some frankly bonkers and out of date numptys has been shelved.

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/tory-hopes-of-new-brexit-trade-deal-royal-yacht-sunk-by-government_uk_57fcf3e0e4b01fa2b9056051?utm_hp_ref=uk

At least we won't be wasting any valuable resources clowning about in the fantasy that we still "rule the waves".

tneva82 wrote:
...Wonder how Brit will cope when they lose access to free market in EU. They cannot by domestic policy budge from no free movement and EU is flat out against free market without free movement. So off with free market.

That's if they hold to that principle, of course. This is what the crux of the whole hard/ soft brexit thing is. The Govt is having to come up with a plan for those who want a hard line on immigration, and those who don't and want to maintain access to the single market. Many business', and of course the 48% of the electorate who wanted to stay, will be lobbying for the closest ties possible. Many BREXITEER's will also be lobbying for a cut all ties solution.
It's a syncretic nightmare, and probably can't be done. So they have to choose, who are they going to upset more? It's Sophie's choice, and it will cost them, and us too.

Don't worry


As the people have voted for Brexit we can now bring back a yacht for the royal family -- that'll save the day.


https://twitter.com/MeanwhileScotia/status/785959943832612864

I love how the objection is not how this is nothing but an obscene waste of money but that a boat was referred to as "it"



elsewhere :









uh huh.

Sure am glad we've gotten rid of all that PC nonsense so people can say what they want -- unless that goes against Govt. policy apparently.

That editorial is from the Express, four months after Jo Cox was murdered for being a pro-EU MP.

This is how nationalism always ends: silencing your critics, branding those who disagree with you "unpatriotic".

Bear in mind that the Mail's owner is registered as a foreign domicile to avoid tax.

There's more/as many MPs debating the buying of the royal family a new boat than there were debating the situation in Syria.

Yep, it's also nice to see anyone who raises any concerns, or has anything other than a slightly psychotic positivity labelled as a bemoaner.
But tbh, that's the DM and Express all over, I wouldnt wipe my arse with their content. They are the Nigel Farage of journalism, contemptible, populist, trashy and sadly popular enough to still be doing the rounds, for now.

 r_squared wrote:
Yep, it's also nice to see anyone who raises any concerns, or has anything other than a slightly psychotic positivity labelled as a bemoaner.
But tbh, that's the DM and Express all over, I wouldnt wipe my arse with their content. They are the Nigel Farage of journalism, contemptible, populist, trashy and sadly popular enough to still be doing the rounds, for now.

I don't know what you mean. Why, just recently the Daily Mail posted an article to its website about how you could see Rita Ora's nipples through her dress and if that isn't hard-hitting journalism that cuts to the very heart of what is important then I don't know what is.

After determined searching I managed to find those pictures. And yes, you can just make out a bit of nipple. I nearly missed that.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-3343209/Rita-Ora-flashes-ample-assets-saucy-selfie-embarrassing-nip-slip.html

Suacy nip slip indeed.

 r_squared wrote:
After determined searching I managed to find those pictures. And yes, you can just make out a bit of nipple. I nearly missed that.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-3343209/Rita-Ora-flashes-ample-assets-saucy-selfie-embarrassing-nip-slip.html

Suacy nip slip indeed.

Nah, there's a new one. Obviously revealed as part of the Daily Mails ongoing investigation into Rita Ora for reasons as yet not revealed.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-3830373/Rita-Ora-flashes-nipples-sheer-lingerie-style-slip-enjoys-night-Sofia-Ritchie.html

 Antario wrote:

 Shadow Captain Edithae wrote:
But the two are not entirely unrelated. Political and electoral pressure forces governments to "do" something about immigration. If EU migration is sacrosanct and untouchable, then that leaves only non-EU migrants, and therefore they put much stricter measures on them than they would if we weren't required to have an open border with Europe.

We can only cope with a finite number of immigrants after all (let's call it 10). If the EU requires us to let as many EU citizens come here as want to, (let's say 7/10). Then we only have space for another 3 non EU migrants.

So the government disproportionately restricts non EU migration, because its all they can do. How is that fair? Why should Europeans get special treatment over say an American, Canadian, an Indian or Chinese?

Because Britons have the same unrestricted right to live and work and study in other EU member states as well, while they would need visa and income/education requirements to work in the US, Canada, India or China.

An interesting point to mention is that UK citizens seem to worry more about intra-EU migration while the most of the other EU-members are worried about external immigration, particularly from the Arab world and sub-Saharan Africa. I'm not sure what causes this difference.

Because a lot of our migration is from within the EU, and we can't restrict that. Other countries on the edge of Europe have to deal directly with mass migration. However, an increasing portion of EU movement to the UK is by people not born in the EU. They come from outside the EU, get passports and move unrestricted to the UK which is why people are concerned about free movement being a 'back door' to non-EU migration.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/immigration/11742020/New-immigration-figures-prompt-back-door-to-Britain-fears.html

 Howard A Treesong wrote:

 Antario wrote:

 Shadow Captain Edithae wrote:
But the two are not entirely unrelated. Political and electoral pressure forces governments to "do" something about immigration. If EU migration is sacrosanct and untouchable, then that leaves only non-EU migrants, and therefore they put much stricter measures on them than they would if we weren't required to have an open border with Europe.

We can only cope with a finite number of immigrants after all (let's call it 10). If the EU requires us to let as many EU citizens come here as want to, (let's say 7/10). Then we only have space for another 3 non EU migrants.

So the government disproportionately restricts non EU migration, because its all they can do. How is that fair? Why should Europeans get special treatment over say an American, Canadian, an Indian or Chinese?

Because Britons have the same unrestricted right to live and work and study in other EU member states as well, while they would need visa and income/education requirements to work in the US, Canada, India or China.

An interesting point to mention is that UK citizens seem to worry more about intra-EU migration while the most of the other EU-members are worried about external immigration, particularly from the Arab world and sub-Saharan Africa. I'm not sure what causes this difference.

Because a lot of our migration is from within the EU, and we can't restrict that. Other countries on the edge of Europe have to deal directly with mass migration. However, an increasing portion of EU movement to the UK is by people not born in the EU. They come from outside the EU, get passports and move unrestricted to the UK which is why people are concerned about free movement being a 'back door' to non-EU migration.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/immigration/11742020/New-immigration-figures-prompt-back-door-to-Britain-fears.html

From the article it appear to be mainly people from commonwealth countries with EU-pasports who move to the UK. That doesn't sound like the more problematic forms of immigration.

Herzlos wrote:

 Shadow Captain Edithae wrote:

Herzlos wrote:

 Future War Cultist wrote:
But how can we adequately plan our civic amenities when we don't know how many people are going to emigrate to our country in a given time?

By future proofing and actually making an effort with our infrastructure instead of half-assing it. As mentioned, in national terms the migration rate is tiny, though it may be clustered in some smaller areas, which can still be handled.

Since when did British governments ever care about future proofing? The average British politician thinks only as far ahead as the next election.

That is exactly the problem. And instead of blaming our government and trying to fix it, we're blaming the EU and foreigners.


That said, the Victorians over-built everything and a lot of it is still in use 100+ years later. Back when we had a worthwhile Empire and were actually leading the world. We need more guys like Isembard Kingdom Brunel (and that is possibly the best name I've ever heard).

...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=21QqXumEWFU

Very amusingly, Isambard Kingdom Brunel was the son of a French immigrant.

Well with family like that, no wonder he didn't tell anyone.

(I kid).

So, Tesco has delisted a bunch of Unilever products including UK national icon Marmite due to a 10% price increase asked by the supplier. Tesco refuse to pass this on to the customer, or absorb it themselves.

According to the BBC this is due to the import price pressure caused by the recently fall of the GBP. This new level of GBP is thought to be long-term. It will also cause an increase in oil costs since the market operates in USD. This of course will feed into general inflation by increasing all transport costs within the UK as well as affecting the forecourt price.

The BBC thinks a 5% increase in food prices is practically inevitable iver the next few months, as the different retailers currently competing to keep prices down will break ranks at some point.

In Unilever's case, some of the products are actually made in the UK and are not affected by the weak pound, and Tesco thinks that Unilever is using the foreign exchange rate as an excuse to push through a general price increase.

How much of all this is due to Brexit? Would the GBP have fallen so far, so fast if Remain had won?

 Kilkrazy wrote:
So, Tesco has delisted a bunch of Unilever products including UK national icon Marmite due to a 10% price increase asked by the supplier. Tesco refuse to pass this on to the customer, or absorb it themselves.

According to the BBC this is due to the import price pressure caused by the recently fall of the GBP. This new level of GBP is thought to be long-term. It will also cause an increase in oil costs since the market operates in USD. This of course will feed into general inflation by increasing all transport costs within the UK as well as affecting the forecourt price.

The BBC thinks a 5% increase in food prices is practically inevitable iver the next few months, as the different retailers currently competing to keep prices down will break ranks at some point.

In Unilever's case, some of the products are actually made in the UK and are not affected by the weak pound, and Tesco thinks that Unilever is using the foreign exchange rate as an excuse to push through a general price increase.

How much of all this is due to Brexit? Would the GBP have fallen so far, so fast if Remain had won?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-37639518

Brexit has been an excuse to raise prices way beyond the actual differences in currency fluctuations and other market expectations. It's a great time to be a supplier.British suppliers with British made products, with British components have sent out letters advising of the difficulties of Brexit and exchange rates. Can't blame them, it allows a conversation to be started with customers.

 Kilkrazy wrote:
How much of all this is due to Brexit? Would the GBP have fallen so far, so fast if Remain had won?

Being that it happened overnight and took us to a hundred year low, I'm going to go with: no, it wouldn't have fallen if Remain won.

Though to be fair, no-one won.

It's only the very tip of the iceberg. We haven't even got started yet. Once the process gets underway, we're likely to see more fluctuations in prices, which will have a knock on effect. Remember that no one on the Leave side, apart from the deluded, said that there wasn't going to be problems. But they were willing to put up with a certain amount of financial difficulty to get what they want, even if the rest of us didn't.
It's a shame, my wife likes marmite, I'm ambivalent myself.

However, I think, that we'll start to see ever more shrill denunciations from the likes of the DM and the Express as they attempt to distract people, and blame anyone but Brexit for what's happening.
I look forward to seeing what policies they support imposing to shut up and imprison those who disagree with them.

 r_squared wrote:
I look forward to seeing what policies they support imposing to shut up and imprison those who disagree with them.

They've already started calling anyone who disagrees with Brexit unpatriotic. I'm not sure how that'll result in prison yet though.

 r_squared wrote:
It's only the very tip of the iceberg. We haven't even got started yet. Once the process gets underway, we're likely to see more fluctuations in prices, which will have a knock on effect. Remember that no one on the Leave side, apart from the deluded, said that there wasn't going to be problems. But they were willing to put up with a certain amount of financial difficulty to get what they want, even if the rest of us didn't.
It's a shame, my wife likes marmite, I'm ambivalent myself.

However, I think, that we'll start to see ever more shrill denunciations from the likes of the DM and the Express as they attempt to distract people, and blame anyone but Brexit for what's happening.
I look forward to seeing what policies they support imposing to shut up and imprison those who disagree with them.

Brexit is a very harsh reality, we in the leave camp need to accept this,however I am not about to loose my mind over shrill denunciations coming from those that want us to remain within the EU.

It so happens that I am working with some businesses that had price increase notifications apparently due to Brexit and currency volatility from European supply partners. It's very tough but the plus side is that supply partnerships are being formed outside of the EU whilst incumbents are maybe having to look inwards as the reality of the global market means that their processes and structure may need to change in order to continue working with agents who they really need.

Its interesting.

I don't think people should be linking to BBC articles to prove their point. The BBC is extremely biased towards the left and the EU.

Also, the Daily Mail is a joke newspaper and nobody should take anything they write seriously or use it as an example of the views of all people that voted for Brexit. Brexit voters were a mix of working class, middle class, wealthy, Labour supporter, Tory supporter etc etc.

It is the extremists we have to be concerned about. The far right is worrying, as is the far left. Both are inherently evil and involve totalitarianism and submission of a population to what tantamount's as slavery. Basically, avoid mainstream media for they lie and deceive.

Seek facts from alternate non-biased sources that are not funded/controlled by billionaire banks and corporations. There are several of them online if you look hard enough. Just because something is a well known and funded media outlet, it does not mean they are telling you the truth.

 Mr. Burning wrote:

 r_squared wrote:
It's only the very tip of the iceberg. We haven't even got started yet. Once the process gets underway, we're likely to see more fluctuations in prices, which will have a knock on effect. Remember that no one on the Leave side, apart from the deluded, said that there wasn't going to be problems. But they were willing to put up with a certain amount of financial difficulty to get what they want, even if the rest of us didn't.
It's a shame, my wife likes marmite, I'm ambivalent myself.

However, I think, that we'll start to see ever more shrill denunciations from the likes of the DM and the Express as they attempt to distract people, and blame anyone but Brexit for what's happening.
I look forward to seeing what policies they support imposing to shut up and imprison those who disagree with them.

Brexit is a very harsh reality, we in the leave camp need to accept this,however I am not about to loose my mind over shrill denunciations coming from those that want us to remain within the EU.

It so happens that I am working with some businesses that had price increase notifications apparently due to Brexit and currency volatility from European supply partners. It's very tough but the plus side is that supply partnerships are being formed outside of the EU whilst incumbents are maybe having to look inwards as the reality of the global market means that their processes and structure may need to change in order to continue working with agents who they really need.

Its interesting.

I use some European based suppliers and the only Brexit related increases are Currency fluctuation related, but that was the case pre-Brexit anyway.

I have had some UK based suppliers advise of Brexit increases, all have been told to get on their bikes in round about terms. Few if any have no relented when the foolishness of their advise has been addressed.

 notprop wrote:
....I use some European based suppliers and the only Brexit related increases are Currency fluctuation related, but that was the case pre-Brexit anyway.

I have had some UK based suppliers advise of Brexit increases, all have been told to get on their bikes in round about terms. Few if any have no relented when the foolishness of their advise has been addressed.

I'm not convinced that approach will work across the breadth of the British economy.
However, I believe "on your bike son" may be the central tenet that Liam Fox is counting on to win future favourable trade deals.
Its a shame that I think that pretty much exhausts his armoury of negotiating skills though.

The price of Marmite is the least of the UK's problems.

Nicola Sturgeon has decided to cry havoc and let slip the dogs of war.

A draft bill for another Scottish Independence referendum is to be published next week...

A very shrewd move from the Scottish First Minister, because the problems are piling up thick and fast for the May government.

Rumblings of discontent from Tory back benches, a government divided over hard or soft Brexit, a plummeting pound, the EU playing hardball, Marmite going up, and so on and so on...

The last thing May needs is another constitutional cris on her hands what with BREXIT...

Somebody will be along in a minute to mention something about the price of Oil

but they'll fail to see the beauty behind this.

The mere threat of another referendum on the table will pressure the UK government to offer up more powers for Scotland: Devo Max, farming and fisheries etc etc.

For the past 2 weeks, the Scotland office has been reluctant to say if Scotland would get these after BREXIT, but their hand will be forced on this...

More powers for Scotland only increases the drip drip drip towards independence.

The SNP can't lose and it's good politics from Sturgeon...

Herzlos wrote:

 r_squared wrote:
I look forward to seeing what policies they support imposing to shut up and imprison those who disagree with them.

They've already started calling anyone who disagrees with Brexit unpatriotic. I'm not sure how that'll result in prison yet though.

Well, they did mention chucking people into the Tower of London to cool their heels for 28 days to think about what they've done wrong. Kind of like a naughty step for wrong think.


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 Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote:
The price of Marmite is the least of the UK's problems.

Nicola Sturgeon has decided to cry havoc and let slip the dogs of war.

A draft bill for another Scottish Independence referendum is to be published next week...

A very shrewd move from the Scottish First Minister, because the problems are piling up thick and fast for the May government.

Rumblings of discontent from Tory back benches, a government divided over hard or soft Brexit, a plummeting pound, the EU playing hardball, Marmite going up, and so on and so on...

The last thing May needs is another constitutional cris on her hands what with BREXIT...

Somebody will be along in a minute to mention something about the price of Oil

but they'll fail to see the beauty behind this.

The mere threat of another referendum on the table will pressure the UK government to offer up more powers for Scotland: Devo Max, farming and fisheries etc etc.

For the past 2 weeks, the Scotland office has been reluctant to say if Scotland would get these after BREXIT, but their hand will be forced on this...

More powers for Scotland only increases the drip drip drip towards independence.

The SNP can't lose and it's good politics from Sturgeon...

It does kind of make we wish we had anyone near as competent as her on our side, you have my envy.


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 Slaphead wrote:
I don't think people should be linking to BBC articles to prove their point. The BBC is extremely biased towards the left and the EU.

Also, the Daily Mail is a joke newspaper and nobody should take anything they write seriously or use it as an example of the views of all people that voted for Brexit. Brexit voters were a mix of working class, middle class, wealthy, Labour supporter, Tory supporter etc etc.

It is the extremists we have to be concerned about. The far right is worrying, as is the far left. Both are inherently evil and involve totalitarianism and submission of a population to what tantamount's as slavery. Basically, avoid mainstream media for they lie and deceive.

Seek facts from alternate non-biased sources that are not funded/controlled by billionaire banks and corporations. There are several of them online if you look hard enough. Just because something is a well known and funded media outlet, it does not mean they are telling you the truth.

Absolutely, I read the BBC, Al Jazeera, Reuters, the Huffington Post, Private eye and the Telegraph online everyday. I would recommend them all for a breadth of viewpoints.

Oil and energy costs -- $ based -- are all going to go up.

Margins are so tight for supermarkets/similar -- look how they've previously really been putting the boot into farmers, dairys. etc etc -- that there's very little room for cost changes to be absorbed.

There's loads of airports already offering less than 1 euro to the pound already.

https://www.ft.com/content/78478eee-e170-32d3-bdbb-b88a98f2f9bd

and the £ is at a 168 -- !!! -- year low.

You'll note how what was previously dismissed as "project fear" is now being referred to as "short term economic pain".... guess which class of people that'll hit hardest then eh ?