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Future War Cultist wrote: Or perhaps in ten years time the EU will be long dead. And we'll be thankful that we got out of it before the gak hit fan and all its present day cheerleaders will deny ever backing it.
But we're both speculating.
No you're speculating as there is no evidence that the EU will be dead any time soon. There is plenty of evidence on the other hand that Brexiters are dominated by old and the poorly educated http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-38762034
My theory is based on evidence, which is not speculation.
"Because while the truncheon may be used in lieu of conversation, words will always retain their power. Words offer the means to meaning, and for those who will listen, the enunciation of truth. And the truth is, there is something terribly wrong with this country, isn't there? Cruelty and injustice, intolerance and oppression. And where once you had the freedom to object, to think and speak as you saw fit, you now have censors and systems of surveillance coercing your conformity and soliciting your submission. How did this happen? Who's to blame? Well certainly there are those more responsible than others, and they will be held accountable, but again truth be told, if you're looking for the guilty, you need only look into a mirror. " - V
I've just supported the Permanent European Union Citizenship initiative. Please do the same and spread the word!
"It's not a problem if you don't look up." - Dakka's approach to politics
It doesn't take much research to see that coal includes a lot of nasty heavy elements in it including Lead, Arsenic and Mercury.
Don't forget Uranium and Thorium. Coal power plants release more radioactive material into their surrounding area than a nuclear power plant producing the same amount of power
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The Laws of Thermodynamics:
1) You cannot win. 2) You cannot break even. 3) You cannot stop playing the game.
Colonel Flagg wrote:You think you're real smart. But you're not smart; you're dumb. Very dumb. But you've met your match in me.
It doesn't take much research to see that coal includes a lot of nasty heavy elements in it including Lead, Arsenic and Mercury.
Don't forget Uranium and Thorium. Coal power plants release more radioactive material into their surrounding area than a nuclear power plant producing the same amount of power
Agreed, there's a lot more as well. I was trying to pick out those that have been more widely reported for their health effects directly once they get into the food supply.
An independent Scotland would not be part of the European Union, British Prime Minister Theresa May said on Wednesday.
What is she going to do, veto Scotland's application? That's a little optimistic given that she has no power within the EU.
You have to think that May wants Scotland to go independent, because if she wanted a message for the Scottish people that the Tories don't care, this is it. Her response effectively came down to "we'll have meetings, but we'll be wearing our ear plugs whilst we have them".
SNP just have to play this at every Indyref2 campaign now and it's almost a dead cert they will leave the UK (and I really can't blame Scots for doing so).
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"Because while the truncheon may be used in lieu of conversation, words will always retain their power. Words offer the means to meaning, and for those who will listen, the enunciation of truth. And the truth is, there is something terribly wrong with this country, isn't there? Cruelty and injustice, intolerance and oppression. And where once you had the freedom to object, to think and speak as you saw fit, you now have censors and systems of surveillance coercing your conformity and soliciting your submission. How did this happen? Who's to blame? Well certainly there are those more responsible than others, and they will be held accountable, but again truth be told, if you're looking for the guilty, you need only look into a mirror. " - V
I've just supported the Permanent European Union Citizenship initiative. Please do the same and spread the word!
"It's not a problem if you don't look up." - Dakka's approach to politics
SNP just have to play this at every Indyref2 campaign now and it's almost a dead cert they will leave the UK (and I really can't blame Scots for doing so).
It won't be a dead cert, although the most recent Panelbase poll has support for independence rise significantly for the first time since the Brexit vote (that particular increase was only transient unfortunately).
May has quite simply handled the whole issue of Scotland and the other devolved parliaments badly. Aside from a few meetings which apparently were dictatorial and ended badly Westminster has simply ignored them. The end result will always be the same, the Tories would tear themselves apart if article 50 wasn't invoked, but at least an attempt at even handed dialogue and an acceptance that Scotland in particular is pro EU, and is far from happy at the current turn of events, would do much to calm the situation down, even if it would be nothing more than a smokescreen.
Indyref 2 could go either way but an Indyref 3 held in 20-30 years time will almost certainly be successful, barring an apocalypse or a truly inclusive and effective Government (I'm not sure which is more likely....)
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SNP just have to play this at every Indyref2 campaign now and it's almost a dead cert they will leave the UK (and I really can't blame Scots for doing so).
It won't be a dead cert, although the most recent Panelbase poll has support for independence rise significantly for the first time since the Brexit vote (that particular increase was only transient unfortunately).
May has quite simply handled the whole issue of Scotland and the other devolved parliaments badly. Aside from a few meetings which apparently were dictatorial and ended badly Westminster has simply ignored them. The end result will always be the same, the Tories would tear themselves apart if article 50 wasn't invoked, but at least an attempt at even handed dialogue and an acceptance that Scotland in particular is pro EU, and is far from happy at the current turn of events, would do much to calm the situation down, even if it would be nothing more than a smokescreen.
Indyref 2 could go either way but an Indyref 3 held in 20-30 years time will almost certainly be successful, barring an apocalypse or a truly inclusive and effective Government (I'm not sure which is more likely....)
SNP will be patient. They'll keep banging on about it. Keep on reiterating this isn't what Scotland wants, wait until a recession arises (that will be inevitable whether Brexit related or not) and then blame it all on Brexit and the Westminster not listening. The anger will reach crescendo level and blam! they'll be independent. What the polls indicate is there are wavering people now enough to swing the vote. They just need to wait until the proverbial hits the fan...
"Because while the truncheon may be used in lieu of conversation, words will always retain their power. Words offer the means to meaning, and for those who will listen, the enunciation of truth. And the truth is, there is something terribly wrong with this country, isn't there? Cruelty and injustice, intolerance and oppression. And where once you had the freedom to object, to think and speak as you saw fit, you now have censors and systems of surveillance coercing your conformity and soliciting your submission. How did this happen? Who's to blame? Well certainly there are those more responsible than others, and they will be held accountable, but again truth be told, if you're looking for the guilty, you need only look into a mirror. " - V
I've just supported the Permanent European Union Citizenship initiative. Please do the same and spread the word!
"It's not a problem if you don't look up." - Dakka's approach to politics
Well as nearly everyone on this thread is determined to rerun the referendum(s) scots and eu and be insulting and derogerty (i.e brexgak) etc i'll leave you to it
What will be will be and us getting het up about it wont change a thing.
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The whole reason for "Brexgak" (a term I never heard before you posted it) is that people got het up about the EU because they disliked immigration and straight bananas, and voted for change which is now ploughing ahead.
Skullhammer, you are correct in saying that we may as well get on with it. What's done is done...
So, what now?
Some people want to leave the UK, others want to stay and get on with things, and others are going to wait and see.
Brexit could be a success, a total failure, or somewhere in between.
Now, whatever choice my fellow dakka members make, be they leave or remain, best of luck to you all.
Dakka has been one of the very few places where reasoned debate could be had. Fair play to you all, even when I thought some people were talking horsegak
but you probably thought the same about my postings as well
As for me, I'll still pop up on here from time to time, but Asda have tins of soup for 40p each ( I bought £16 worth today ) and I've got plenty of unpainted minis to last me for months,
so I think I'll stay in the bunker for the next 2 years, see how it pans out.
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Kilkrazy wrote: The whole reason for "Brexgak" (a term I never heard before you posted it) is that people got het up about the EU because they disliked immigration and straight bananas, and voted for change which is now ploughing ahead.
For me, it was more complicated than that.
I read an article the other day about how Germany is basically destroying the Eurozone. Unintentional of course.
Because the Euro is weak, and because Germany exports so much and has such a huge trade surplus with the other Eurozone countries, nations like Portugal, Spain, Italy etc etc suffer as a result, as the centre and economies of scale, makes their purchasing so much harder and more expensive.
In the USA, they get round this because huge transfers of capital are made to the less prosperous areas of the USA in an effort to keep the playing field level.
Of course, they are one nation, the Eurozone is not, so the Eurozone suffers, and will keep suffering until this is sorted.
And the Germans, who shouldn't be blamed for being a success, will none the less need to address this problem, but so far, they show no inclination,
and there in lies the problem: if the USA can see the problem, why not Germany?
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"Our crops will wither, our children will die piteous
deaths and the sun will be swept from the sky. But is it true?" - Tom Kirby, CEO, Games Workshop Ltd
Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote: Skullhammer, you are correct in saying that we may as well get on with it. What's done is done...
So, what now?
Some people want to leave the UK, others want to stay and get on with things, and others are going to wait and see.
Brexit could be a success, a total failure, or somewhere in between.
Now, whatever choice my fellow dakka members make, be they leave or remain, best of luck to you all.
Dakka has been one of the very few places where reasoned debate could be had. Fair play to you all, even when I thought some people were talking horsegak
but you probably thought the same about my postings as well
As for me, I'll still pop up on here from time to time, but Asda have tins of soup for 40p each ( I bought £16 worth today ) and I've got plenty of unpainted minis to last me for months,
so I think I'll stay in the bunker for the next 2 years, see how it pans out.
Never thought you'd pull a Nigel, and duck out and leave your beleaguered followers to fend for themselves. Who will they exalt now?
"All their ferocity was turned outwards, against enemies of the State, foreigners, traitors, saboteurs, thought-criminals" - Orwell, 1984
SNP will be patient. They'll keep banging on about it. Keep on reiterating this isn't what Scotland wants, wait until a recession arises (that will be inevitable whether Brexit related or not) and then blame it all on Brexit and the Westminster not listening. The anger will reach crescendo level and blam! they'll be independent. What the polls indicate is there are wavering people now enough to swing the vote. They just need to wait until the proverbial hits the fan...
The big obstacle are the over 65's. They are strongly unionist and as they are much more likely to actually cast their vote they were the key demographic that kept Scotland in the UK last time and they will probably play a key role in Indy2. I'm not sure that there is much that can be done to bridge that particular gap; they were brought up in the Empire, they were surrounded by British institutions during their working lives while Devolution and the independence question are a relatively new phenomenon. Plus the SNP were essentially a joke 'Braveheart' party until they really started making inroads in the early 00's.
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Skullhammer wrote: Well as nearly everyone on this thread is determined to rerun the referendum(s) scots and eu and be insulting and derogerty (i.e brexgak) etc i'll leave you to it
What will be will be and us getting het up about it wont change a thing.
A great loss I am sure.
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I'm backing out of this thread too. It's just not worth the aggravation. I'm going to go focus my future dakka time on home brewed rules and miniature projects instead. I should have started my millennium falcon project by now anyway.
To be honest, I think any meaningful discussion of Brexit finished a long while back. Some people said some stuff, some other people disagreed. Some of it was rude, some of it was polite. Parts were well sourced, parts were dreck. It's all been said though more or less. It's why I didn't even bother responding to that American chap earlier, I've more or less grown bored of rechewing the same discussion. I've much the same feeling over the 'evil tories' one that crops up every so often.
That all being said, they were worthwhile debates in their own right. But since it's about the same ten or so contributors in here (with about another ten who weigh in once in a blue moon), we all more or less know each others positions on most long running events/affairs by now. Certainly, I've think I've noticed a change in how some people perceive myself as a result of the extended discussion (I think I've moved from 'facist scum' to 'misguided fool' in a few people's perception ), and my own perspective on some other users has altered likewise.
I made a very specific decision a month or so back to move on to more contemporary politics in here, keep it a bit more brief, and not get dragged down in chewing over the same cold soup. We're all wargaming nerds, that's our primary reason for being here, so if you're finding this thread is growing tiresome? I'd recommend doing the same thing.
The trick is just to take it easy, step away if you get too emotionally het up, and try to either enjoy the discussion or read a hobby blog. I try and remember that if somebody's posts are irritating me, Christ knows mine must be doing the same thing to others.
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Speaking of which, I see that Jeremy Hunt's response to the reports of the A&E waiting times/NHS beds crises is to propose getting some alternative facts -- i.e. to change the metric.
Isn't it long past time he was sacked?
Why does the PM continue to support and agree with him?
Kilkrazy wrote: Speaking of which, I see that Jeremy Hunt's response to the reports of the A&E waiting times/NHS beds crises is to propose getting some alternative facts -- i.e. to change the metric.
Isn't it long past time he was sacked?
Why does the PM continue to support and agree with him?
Probably because he directs attention from other aspects of government that are also going badly. People (and more importantly the Media) love to go on about the NHS being in ruins and not being fit for purpose. So much so it defelcts nciely from things like supplying wepaons to Saudi and the 'possibility that stopping the supplies would have political ramifications' https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/feb/07/review-halt-uks--campaign-against-arms-trade-saudi-arabia-begin-yemen (not quite the article I was after, but it gets the point across).
Otherwise maybe he's just the best they've got (in their eyes)?
Wood chippings can be viable if they are sourced from tress that are replanted at the same rate they are removed after considering haulage environmental impacts. However more sustainable methods are wind farms, solar panels and geothermal energy (which combined can be carbon neutral in the long term) - especially if you combine this with householders also providing their own local energy requirements (so ground source heat pumps powered by solar panels etc).
The whole wood chippings plan isn’t balanced, you would have to plant more than just the same rate per tree you cut down, because this does not take into account the growth rate of a tree. A good strong combustible pine may take 10 years to grow to an efficient length, as if you only planted the same rate as cutting, there would be a point whereby the trees would be yielding less and less material.
No doubt green energy is the future, I think the focus should sway from infinite fields of basic panels to a program of solar tiles for new houses, which look like traditional house tiles, contribute to green energy, don’t take up land, can easily be replaced in smaller sections if broken and don’t look like the current eyesore Barry and his mates hooked onto his existing roof.
If the UK could get a good surplus energy stock we could sell it to inefficient countries on the continent and no one could disagree the advantages of that.
It's not a surprise that no amendments are being accepted. The Tories are well aware of how easily cracks could start showing if they started becoming divided even if they are voting against their principles. In the end the vast majority of them are more interested in protecting the party than the country (and shock horror they wouldn't want to let the populace have a democratic say on the issue before it is implemented)!
The fact of the matter is there would be no agreement if too many people stuck their fingers in pieces of the pie. So for all this debating has been diddly squat! Now we have Article 50 go ahead the proper debating can begin. There was no reason to debate starting the Article 50 process other than Inners complaining they didn’t want it but we can’t say that, so ‘it’s for the people by the people!’ and throwing legal battles at it. We all knew the bill would be passed and no denial could stop it.
SNP will be patient. They'll keep banging on about it. Keep on reiterating this isn't what Scotland wants, wait until a recession arises (that will be inevitable whether Brexit related or not) and then blame it all on Brexit and the Westminster not listening. The anger will reach crescendo level and blam! they'll be independent. What the polls indicate is there are wavering people now enough to swing the vote. They just need to wait until the proverbial hits the fan...
More likely they will wait to day 1 independent UK from EU and then begin preaching negativity and gearing up for a second Referendum. I believe if the Scots want independence by all means they can take it. However I don’t know if the S.N.P would be able to keep an independent Scotland buoyant. To my mind Scotland would struggle to keep its economic privileges such as free University places and would still have a struggling NHS. Whether they would go Euro or not we don’t know. What the UK doesn’t want is for Scotland to drag out its own sort of Article 50 process in which it tries to leech as much of the UK as it can. If they go out it should be effective by the end of the year of the result or preferably end of the month! The problem the S.N.P will have if they do get independence is, they will no longer be able to blame Westminister for their woes. Still perhaps the MPs could boost moral by joining the Eurovision song contest with their terrible singing of the EU anthem like last night!
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Future War Cultist wrote: I'm backing out of this thread too. It's just not worth the aggravation. I'm going to go focus my future dakka time on home brewed rules and miniature projects instead. I should have started my millennium falcon project by now anyway.
Im sorry to hear that, your opinion will be deeply missed.
Future War Cultist wrote: Or perhaps in ten years time the EU will be long dead. And we'll be thankful that we got out of it before the gak hit the fan and all of its little present day cheerleaders will deny having ever supported it.
At least your leaving on a high note, that I and many others agree on
Keep checking up on though and have a good one with your millennium falcon project!
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Wood chippings can be viable if they are sourced from tress that are replanted at the same rate they are removed after considering haulage environmental impacts. However more sustainable methods are wind farms, solar panels and geothermal energy (which combined can be carbon neutral in the long term) - especially if you combine this with householders also providing their own local energy requirements (so ground source heat pumps powered by solar panels etc).
The whole wood chippings plan isn’t balanced, you would have to plant more than just the same rate per tree you cut down, because this does not take into account the growth rate of a tree. A good strong combustible pine may take 10 years to grow to an efficient length, as if you only planted the same rate as cutting, there would be a point whereby the trees would be yielding less and less material.
No doubt green energy is the future, I think the focus should sway from infinite fields of basic panels to a program of solar tiles for new houses, which look like traditional house tiles, contribute to green energy, don’t take up land, can easily be replaced in smaller sections if broken and don’t look like the current eyesore Barry and his mates hooked onto his existing roof.
If the UK could get a good surplus energy stock we could sell it to inefficient countries on the continent and no one could disagree the advantages of that.
It's not a surprise that no amendments are being accepted. The Tories are well aware of how easily cracks could start showing if they started becoming divided even if they are voting against their principles. In the end the vast majority of them are more interested in protecting the party than the country (and shock horror they wouldn't want to let the populace have a democratic say on the issue before it is implemented)!
The fact of the matter is there would be no agreement if too many people stuck their fingers in pieces of the pie. So for all this debating has been diddly squat! Now we have Article 50 go ahead the proper debating can begin. There was no reason to debate starting the Article 50 process other than Inners complaining they didn’t want it but we can’t say that, so ‘it’s for the people by the people!’ and throwing legal battles at it. We all knew the bill would be passed and no denial could stop it.
SNP will be patient. They'll keep banging on about it. Keep on reiterating this isn't what Scotland wants, wait until a recession arises (that will be inevitable whether Brexit related or not) and then blame it all on Brexit and the Westminster not listening. The anger will reach crescendo level and blam! they'll be independent. What the polls indicate is there are wavering people now enough to swing the vote. They just need to wait until the proverbial hits the fan...
More likely they will wait to day 1 independent UK from EU and then begin preaching negativity and gearing up for a second Referendum. I believe if the Scots want independence by all means they can take it. However I don’t know if the S.N.P would be able to keep an independent Scotland buoyant. To my mind Scotland would struggle to keep its economic privileges such as free University places and would still have a struggling NHS. Whether they would go Euro or not we don’t know. What the UK doesn’t want is for Scotland to drag out its own sort of Article 50 process in which it tries to leech as much of the UK as it can. Scotland is the 'spoilt child of this union' led by a dog and a one trick party! If they go out it should be effective by the end of the year of the result or preferably end of the month! The problem the S.N.P will have if they do get independence is, they will no longer be able to blame Westminister for their woes. Still perhaps the MPs could boost moral by joining the Eurovision song contest with their terrible singing of the EU anthem like last night!
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Future War Cultist wrote: I'm backing out of this thread too. It's just not worth the aggravation. I'm going to go focus my future dakka time on home brewed rules and miniature projects instead. I should have started my millennium falcon project by now anyway.
Im sorry to hear that, your opinion will be deeply missed.
Future War Cultist wrote: Or perhaps in ten years time the EU will be long dead. And we'll be thankful that we got out of it before the gak hit the fan and all of its little present day cheerleaders will deny having ever supported it.
At least your leaving on a high note, that I and many others agree on
Keep checking up on though and have a good one with your millennium falcon project!
Kilkrazy wrote: Speaking of which, I see that Jeremy Hunt's response to the reports of the A&E waiting times/NHS beds crises is to propose getting some alternative facts -- i.e. to change the metric.
Isn't it long past time he was sacked?
Why does the PM continue to support and agree with him?
I don't know. I was willing to judge May's government on its own merit rather than Cameron's, but why she's kept Hunt and Grayling around is beyond me. They're both quite clearly either incompetent, or committed to 'union-breaking' at any cost to the public service as their number one priorities. It is a clear black mark against her in my book now, I think.
Future War Cultist wrote: Or perhaps in ten years time the EU will be long dead. And we'll be thankful that we got out of it before the gak hit fan and all its present day cheerleaders will deny ever backing it.
But we're both speculating.
No you're speculating as there is no evidence that the EU will be dead any time soon. There is plenty of evidence on the other hand that Brexiters are dominated by old and the poorly educated http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-38762034
My theory is based on evidence, which is not speculation.
Out of curiosity, how do they arrive at an age and educational attainment breakdown which can't be easily reframed as 'racism and bigotry with a degree'? The ballot was secret after all, no degree of national oversight was applied to post-voter canvassing, and the vote itself proved that estimates and projections on the subject are as much use as a chocolate teapot.
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Some people find the idea that other people can be happy offensive, and will prefer causing harm to self improvement.
Your questions will be answered by reading the article. It is very long, goes into a lot of detail about methodology and so on. Very interesting read, actually.
The short version is they got some fine grained ward level data which could be cross-matched with ward level demographic data from other sources covering age, educational attainment, and so on. If you have a ward with 500 electors who voted 85/15 Leave, and it contains a sink council estate with a high level of school truancy, and another ward with 500 electors who voted 85/15 Remain, and it contains three Oxford university colleges, it isn't hard to find a correlation between the vote and educational attainment. I made up that example to illustrate the point, but actually they did find that wards containing Oxford Colleges had a much higher rate of voting Remain.
At this point it is academic, of course. Brexit is going to happen whether people's choices were made from wise or foolish reasons.
Surely the conversations about the prices of Gw/FW stuff must count for something.
The poor man really has a stake in the country. The rich man hasn't; he can go away to New Guinea in a yacht. The poor have sometimes objected to being governed badly; the rich have always objected to being governed at all
We love our superheroes because they refuse to give up on us. We can analyze them out of existence, kill them, ban them, mock them, and still they return, patiently reminding us of who we are and what we wish we could be.
"the play's the thing wherein I'll catch the conscience of the king,
Kilkrazy wrote: At this point it is academic, of course. Brexit is going to happen whether people's choices were made from wise or foolish reasons.
In before hordes of others noting that wisdom or foolishness are not necessarily linked to educational attainment.
Agreed, I have not read the document in question but I think the educational correlation is misleading. You could probably make just the same correlation that areas with lower levels of higher education as less likely to be as rich as affluent higher education areas such as Oxford. People may find this misleading and think lower educated Leave Voters couldn't comprehend what the outcome they were voting for, were as the chumps at Oxford could see everything in their intellect. This is to assume the Leave voters were wrong. It will be many years down the line to see who was right.
I hypothesises that it was more a class divide rather than an intellect divide. The affluent areas would have the highest levels of education and would be the least likely to want change, were as those lower down would want to improve their lives and would be determined to vote for change. If there was any foolishness in the whole Referendum affair, it is the irony of David Cameron. A man with all his intellect and wisdom did not think he could ever lose the Referendum or his job, he lost both and was made to look like a fool. This is a category one example that educational attainment isn't linked to wisdom or foolishness.
Sentinel1 wrote: it is the irony of David Cameron. A man with all his intellect and wisdom.
Not gonna lie, I sniggered at the above.
It is pretty hilarious.
But to examine what follows:
A man with all his intellect and wisdom did not think he could ever lose the Referendum or his job, he lost both and was made to look like a fool. This is a category one example that educational attainment isn't linked to wisdom or foolishness.
David Cameron's opinions on his chances to win the referendum were based on his arrogance, not his intelligence (which is, from his academic record, very good) or whatever wisdom he may have had. Arrogance is drilled into many of our leading politicians as a side effect of the grooming process that many of them go through. It starts at school through them often going to highly selective (and expensive) schools, then carries on at university (usually Oxbridge) where they start being prepped for a life in politics. All through that they are being told that they have what is required to be the next leaders of our country and many of them come to believe it.
For an example, look at Gove.
The Laws of Thermodynamics:
1) You cannot win. 2) You cannot break even. 3) You cannot stop playing the game.
Colonel Flagg wrote:You think you're real smart. But you're not smart; you're dumb. Very dumb. But you've met your match in me.
Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote: As for me, I'll still pop up on here from time to time, but Asda have tins of soup for 40p each ( I bought £16 worth today ) and I've got plenty of unpainted minis to last me for months,
so I think I'll stay in the bunker for the next 2 years, see how it pans out.
Lol, press the button and then scurry away into the Brexit fallout shelter and hope when the food runs out it's not a wasteland. Which vault are you heading for?
So I see that a proportion of Brexiters after being satisfied there was no plan and it wasn't there responsibility to produce one are now relying on those wanting to remain to sort the whole mess out and make sure the country doesn't fall into a massive decline. Literally "we've fracked the system now sort it out for us" so we can be happy (otherwise we'll just blame the remainers and the EU again).
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"Because while the truncheon may be used in lieu of conversation, words will always retain their power. Words offer the means to meaning, and for those who will listen, the enunciation of truth. And the truth is, there is something terribly wrong with this country, isn't there? Cruelty and injustice, intolerance and oppression. And where once you had the freedom to object, to think and speak as you saw fit, you now have censors and systems of surveillance coercing your conformity and soliciting your submission. How did this happen? Who's to blame? Well certainly there are those more responsible than others, and they will be held accountable, but again truth be told, if you're looking for the guilty, you need only look into a mirror. " - V
I've just supported the Permanent European Union Citizenship initiative. Please do the same and spread the word!
"It's not a problem if you don't look up." - Dakka's approach to politics
So I see Brexiters after being satisfied there was no plan and it wasn't there responsibility to produce one are now relying on those wanting to remain to sort the whole mess out and make sure the country doesn't fall into a massive decline. Literally "we've fracked the system now sort it out for us" so we can be happy (otherwise we'll just blame the remainers and the EU again).
Blimey mate, ease off the generalised attacks at people who voted Brexit and go have a cuppa or something. You're skating Rule 1 as it is. I'd recommend one of these to go with it (always puts me in a good mood).
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) and I've got plenty of unpainted minis to last me for months,
