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(Deleted. Project's legit. fwiw, I contacted World Outdoor Products, and Firmer Terra have the okay to use WOP's photos on a similar, but not the same, product.)

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ced1106 wrote:
(Deleted. Project's legit. fwiw, I contacted World Outdoor Products, and Firmer Terra have the okay to use WOP's photos on a similar, but not the same, product.)


We are not associated with WOP.

I see many folks are suspicious of Kickstarter in general. That's perfectly understandable.

The KS campaign is a way for me to offer this table at a discount since I will not have to warehouse a bunch of hardware.

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I never would have guessed a folding table would be this controversial.
   
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 Crimson Devil wrote:
I never would have guessed a folding table would be this controversial.


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Any recommendations for a mat that would fit nicely on this table, specifically?

I've recently decided I'm done with tiles. It's all folding tables and mats in my future. Hooray convenience.
   
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This looks like a really solid idea/project. Not much competition in this area as well.

The only holdouts I have (I am thinking on backing for four tables) is the price of shipping, overall stability of the table while gaming, and how a neoprene mat (such as the F.A.T Mats or Micro Arts Studios ones) fit on it.

I would love to see a demonstration of perhaps folks leaning on it, or bumping it, as well as one with a mat on it to see overlap if any.

Pretty cool project!
   
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yeah the only thing holding me back aside from funds is I would like to see a "torture test" of sorts.

How the table stands up to two fully metal armies, how it handles being bumped, how stable is it in 3x4 mode, how does it hold up if water or something spills on it, etc. etc.

I dont expect it to be able to hold 800lbs or something (in fact, it would be cool to see the actual breaking point even if its only 50lbs or so) I just like to know what kind of table it is before I buy it.

Believe it or not, I would use this for a variety of things, not just wargaming. As I live in a tight space, itd be nice to have a true "dining table" that folds up quite small for when I dont have company over.

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 MrMoustaffa wrote:


Believe it or not, I would use this for a variety of things, not just wargaming. As I live in a tight space, itd be nice to have a true "dining table" that folds up quite small for when I dont have company over.


We used to have a big 'formal' dining table we gave away to Son2 and his bride when they got married and we moved to a MUCH smaller house. Our kitchen table (where we typically ate at the old house) is now my work computer desk (also gave my old computer dest to Son2) and we actually use a 6ft x 30inch folding table as our current dinner table... It initially was going to be my work desk but proved too unstable for the monitors and stuff I need for work.



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Would totally have backed this if it was available to ship to Canada. I would have paid the shipping no problem. Mistake in your product launch for sure.
   
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Backed, looks like a good idea to me!

   
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Jayjayphoto wrote:
Would totally have backed this if it was available to ship to Canada. I would have paid the shipping no problem. Mistake in your product launch for sure.

Hopefully we'll get this launched (We are close). Then he'll do an International Launch.

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Your missing a real Market in UK/Europe.

Most never have dedicated gaming spaces and tables.

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 jhe90 wrote:
Your missing a real Market in UK/Europe.

Most never have dedicated gaming spaces and tables.


Not really missing that market. Shipping to the UK and continental Europe would be massively expensive, ruining the value of the product. Add in, any shipping solution is likely to result in at least some damaged product the buyers would want the company to replace and overseas is a non-starter. Products like this really need to be either manufactured in bulk (thousands of units) or manufactured close to the market to be economically feasible.

If there is a Euro market for this, a Euro company is best positioned to take advantage of that market.

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 CptJake wrote:
 jhe90 wrote:
Your missing a real Market in UK/Europe.

Most never have dedicated gaming spaces and tables.


Not really missing that market. Shipping to the UK and continental Europe would be massively expensive, ruining the value of the product. Add in, any shipping solution is likely to result in at least some damaged product the buyers would want the company to replace and overseas is a non-starter. Products like this really need to be either manufactured in bulk (thousands of units) or manufactured close to the market to be economically feasible.

If there is a Euro market for this, a Euro company is best positioned to take advantage of that market.


One in Europe already has. The link is above.

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 CptJake wrote:
 jhe90 wrote:
Your missing a real Market in UK/Europe.

Most never have dedicated gaming spaces and tables.


Not really missing that market. Shipping to the UK and continental Europe would be massively expensive, ruining the value of the product. Add in, any shipping solution is likely to result in at least some damaged product the buyers would want the company to replace and overseas is a non-starter. Products like this really need to be either manufactured in bulk (thousands of units) or manufactured close to the market to be economically feasible.

If there is a Euro market for this, a Euro company is best positioned to take advantage of that market.


Indeed, not all businesses are a global one.
that being said if this one does well and he can raise the funds to partner up in the uk or start a branch out there for distribution then im sure he could get the ball rolling.


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And yet another thread is hijacked for Unit to ask for the same advice, receive the same answers and make the same excuses.

Oh my god I'm becoming martel.
Send help!

 
   
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Any plans to sell in the UK? I'd have backed the ks if it weren't US only.

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JamesY wrote:Any plans to sell in the UK? I'd have backed the ks if it weren't US only.


That really is the theme of this thread. Shipping to the UK from the US is prohibitively expensive for a bulky object like this. There are plans for UK distribution once the product has been produced.

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EmergencyPod wrote:
ced1106 wrote:
(Deleted. Project's legit. fwiw, I contacted World Outdoor Products, and Firmer Terra have the okay to use WOP's photos on a similar, but not the same, product.)


We are not associated with WOP.

I see many folks are suspicious of Kickstarter in general. That's perfectly understandable.

The KS campaign is a way for me to offer this table at a discount since I will not have to warehouse a bunch of hardware.

Best Regards,

Joe


I'm not particular suspicious of Kickstarter in general, but I am a bit suspicious of this project for a few reasons. I find it disingenuous that it's presented as though you are designing the table from the ground up, when it appears that you are commissioning a pre-existing product in an increased width. If you were upfront about this in the first place, there would be no need to carefully frame the videos in order to hide what I can only assume is a 32" wide table. There's nothing wrong with taking an existing product and modifying it, but the lacklustre campaign and misleading language come across as sketchy to me.
   
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I just got an email that this has been suspended.

Great.

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Tarpitted.

Why has it been suspended?

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From the email:

A review of the project uncovered evidence that it broke Kickstarter's rules. We may suspend projects when they demonstrate one or more of the following:

  • Offering purchased items and claiming to have made them yourself

  • Presenting someone else’s work as your own

  • Misrepresenting or failing to disclose relevant facts about the project or its creator
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    SUSPENDED

    Good grief... I am sick to my stomach. I am trying to resolve this with Kickstarter directly but I think the damage has been done.

    Someone accused us of reselling an item or not making this item myself.

    This surface spec was designed by us. The added structural changes were designed by us. The ALPHA Game Table did not exist and does not exist. But Netdetectives saw pictures and began formulating a conspiracy theory.

    We were hoping to use Kickstarter as a launching pad for an order and a retool to be able to provide these tables.

    Netdetectives couldn't help but try to solve a mystery that was not there because they found a folding table on amazon... YAY congratulations.

    They assumed that we were working with a famous company that has this type of design (not the specs). WE are not associated with them in anyway for the last time. But Netdetectives had to be right. So as of today my campaign was suspended pending review, but that doesn't matter because most backers will be spooked and it's probably an irreversible decision. Meaning that I have lost considerable money in advertising and promotion.

    This whole project was so that we could get some tables to play on; that is our gaming group. Factories don't like to deal with you if you're ordering 5 or 10 units. In fact they laugh at you. The cost to retool benders (that is pipe bending machines) and cutters is large. Especially when you're making an out of spec surface like 6x4 feet. So we figured lets let the kickstarter community decide if we should have these tables or not. If we can muster up 200 units then we all win. Things were going great... I was probably going to deliver these before Thanksgiving. We are using a very competent company that has legs abroad and here. This was promising to be smooth sailing. Then the Netdetectives arrived. A conspiracy was formed.... and now I'm sitting here sick to my stomach.

    My alternative is to just fork over money from a loan and just order them anyway and slowly sell them off a retail website.

    I just don't know right now. One giant miscommunication...

    What do you all think? Did I do anything unethical... I mean I didn't disclose my broker or the factory responsible for making the product, but I shouldn't have to disclose every fact. This is a business after all, and I do have the right to protect some information... But the Netdetectives smelled a conspiracy and they wouldn't quit until they found or created one... Right now, I just don't know. This was supposed to be quick simple and happy project... We were finally going to have a table where we could play in any room, or anyplace around the house. now I get to start all over in best case scenario...

    I feel defeated... Like I just walked out of a car accident. And I still can't help feel as if maybe I did something wrong. Please elaborate for me.

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    Prodos got away with blatant plagiarism, hiding their identity, setting up a fake US based company (not to mention lying to KS themselves to get the AvP page taken down) and so on, yet they were allowed to continue and fund LOAD on KS.


    Seems KS ought to give you the benefit of the doubt.

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     CptJake wrote:
    Prodos got away with blatant plagiarism, hiding their identity, setting up a fake US based company (not to mention lying to KS themselves to get the AvP page taken down) and so on, yet they were allowed to continue and fund LOAD on KS.


    Seems KS ought to give you the benefit of the doubt.


    Yeah, I would have appreciated at least a dialogue between KS. I mean we had 15 days before the end of the campaign, and another 10 days before they dispatched funds. What would have been the issue with just writing an email and requesting an explanation within 24 hours?

    I'm still going to go ahead with the order. I'm still going to go ahead with selling this.

    It's just that I have to start all over. And earn everyone's trust again. And of course the hundreds of thousands of people that found me on FB will never click again... so it's just plain sadness.

       
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    Not sure what problem is.

    Didn' anyone else see this on page 3? Its already out there.

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    Runnin up on ya.

    Sad news. Unfortunately seems to be the way of the internet. Seems the least KS or the "offended" party could have done was a bit of Q&A to even determine something was amiss.

    Good luck with getting this out, EmergencyPod.


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    CircleKing wrote:
    Not sure what problem is.

    Didn' anyone else see this on page 3? Its already out there.


    $231 shipped to the US. If $82 shipping is your thing, be my guest.

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    CircleKing wrote:
    Not sure what problem is.

    Didn' anyone else see this on page 3? Its already out there.


    This is not the same design bud....

       
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    CircleKing wrote:
    Not sure what problem is.

    Didn' anyone else see this on page 3? Its already out there.

    Another company doing a similar product isn't the same. It's the same dimensions, but doesn't have that extra fold to pack up as tight, and is being made and distributed by a different company.

    All I can say to you at Terrafirma is to talk to Kickstarter and make a case for yourself. This campaign was already much of the way there; hopefully if things work out you can make it all the way.

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    CircleKing wrote:
    Not sure what problem is.

    Didn' anyone else see this on page 3? Its already out there.


    A 4'x3' folded footprint has no real benefit for storage. a 1.5'x4 footprint' can be stored easily in the side of a closet.
       
     
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