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Do you make saves against the Hits made against you from a D weapon or do you take saves against the result rolled on the table?

the hits. the wounds dont spill over

 Iron_Warden wrote:
the hits. the wounds dont spill over

So a IK in CC makes 3 successful attacks. Opponent takes 3 invuln saves, fails 1. IK player rolls on D table and the result is how many wounds the model takes?

you take saves against the hits.
then roll on the d table for each unsaved hit and apply the results to the next model until its removed.

wounds do not spill over to the next model, and los! can be taken as normal.

/o/
yes every unsaved hit (1 in your example) get to roll on the table

also note that no to-wound/pen roll is made, so things like shred etc do not work

You take saves on the wounds, but the applied wounds are d3 or d6+6 when you fail. So a knight attacks 3 times, lands 2 hits against say 3 necron wraiths... The knight rolls a 2 and a 3 on the D chart. Both of these say it inflicts an automatic wound that deals d3 wounds. As we save against wounds in pools, both of these have the same effect and go into the same pool.

The necron player rolls his 2 saves against his 3++. He passes one and fails the other. The wraith now takes D3 wounds rather than one (though as it's also S10 the wraith is toast regardless of the d3).

All you are doing is rolling on the D chart instead of the traditional wound roll

ShawnSum wrote:

 Iron_Warden wrote:
the hits. the wounds dont spill over

So a IK in CC makes 3 successful attacks. Opponent takes 3 invuln saves, fails 1. IK player rolls on D table and the result is how many wounds the model takes?

Exactly.

It should be 3 hits, 3 D-Chart Rolls, then roll a save vs any roll that wasnt a 1 or a 6.

Thanks for all of your replies so far, but I still have questions because I feel some people are explaining it's done one way and others are saying something different.

What is the reason for the following sentence that is in the BRB for the Deathblow Result if we are saying that these hits can be saved before the controlling player even rolls on the D Table?

The Model suffers a hit that wounds automatically and causes D6+6 wounds instead of 1. No saves of any kind are allowed against this hit.

So if we are making saves against Hits alone before the result is rolled on the table what is the purpose of this?

Does this mean everyone is wrong by currently rolling saves against the hits? Because technically if you are doing this before rolling on the D table what is the point of the above sentence because what if those 3 attacks you just rolled your 3++ on were to all be rolls of a 6?

Because it kinda seems like this is the way it should be done...

Goobi2 wrote:
It should be 3 hits, 3 D-Chart Rolls, then roll a save vs any roll that wasnt a 1 or a 6.

ShawnSum wrote:


Because it kinda seems like this is the way it should be done...

Goobi2 wrote:
It should be 3 hits, 3 D-Chart Rolls, then roll a save vs any roll that wasnt a 1 or a 6.

That's how we play it

ShawnSum wrote:
Thanks for all of your replies so far, but I still have questions because I feel some people are explaining it's done one way and others are saying something different.

What is the reason for the following sentence that is in the BRB for the Deathblow Result if we are saying that these hits can be saved before the controlling player even rolls on the D Table?

The Model suffers a hit that wounds automatically and causes D6+6 wounds instead of 1. No saves of any kind are allowed against this hit.

So if we are making saves against Hits alone before the result is rolled on the table what is the purpose of this?

Does this mean everyone is wrong by currently rolling saves against the hits? Because technically if you are doing this before rolling on the D table what is the point of the above sentence because what if those 3 attacks you just rolled your 3++ on were to all be rolls of a 6?

Because it kinda seems like this is the way it should be done...

Goobi2 wrote:
It should be 3 hits, 3 D-Chart Rolls, then roll a save vs any roll that wasnt a 1 or a 6.

It is a hit that wounds (causes a Wound) automatically. The Wound in question then causes the model to lose a number of Wounds instead of the usual one. So you are saving against the single automatic Wound, where saves are allowed.

Sequence should be roll on D Chart, then roll save unless other player rolls a 6 which does not allow a save of any kind including invul.

Sequence should be:

1. Roll to hit.
2. Hit Wounds automatically.
3. Determine result on Destroyer table.
4. If applicable, save against the automatic Wound.
5. If unsaved, apply Destroyer table result Wound reductions.

 Mr. Shine wrote:
Sequence should be:

1. Roll to hit.
2. Hit Wounds automatically.
3. Determine result on Destroyer table.
4. If applicable, save against the automatic Wound.
5. If unsaved, apply Destroyer table result Wound reductions.

Much cleaner way of putting what I said, agreed.

Which is what I said - you save against the automatic wound, not the hit

What Mr. Shine said.

IK player rolls all to hits, then rolls each successful hit on the D-table.
Any result of 1 is discarded as it does nothing, any roll of a 6 varopizes the target (no need to roll further unless the target has 8+ wounds or HPs).
So really the results we are interested in are any rolls of 2-5. Now the target gets to roll 1 save (cover or invul) per "result". Any failed save at this step allows the IK player to roll a D3 to see how many wounds actually are inflicted to EACH model, excess wounds do not spill over into the unit.

Also note that if the target is T5 or less and does not have Eternal Warrior, there is absoulutely no need to roll the D3, as the model suffers Instant Death. So in the example of the IK vs Wraiths, any D result of 2-5, that the Wraiths fail to save (3++) will just kill a Wraith, no D3 roll is need here. A 6 result also only removes 1 Wraith, but will ignore the Wraiths 3++

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