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 casvalremdeikun wrote:

gungo wrote:
I'm forseeing khorne vs eldar campaign with the 1 new plastic character in a box like the tau and ravenguard campaign and a seperate codex deathwatch release with multiple models. That makes more sense then khorne vs deathwatch campaign.

Couldn't it be Deathwatch v. Eldar?

Warzones I think are going to be expanded, 3 potential army updates from each

so tinfoil hat logic

* means team up

Eldar* vs (deathwatch)* VS Khorne

warzone Baal: BLood angels and successors vs tyranids vs chaos

Warzone Fenris 2: Space wolves* vs imperial fleet* (darkangels ultras, iron hands, tempestus, various) vs deamons, alphalegion, thousand suns intro of magnus

Warzone Damocles 3: Ultras and Mechanicum* vs tau* vs chaos?

leaves necrons, orks, Darkeldar for warzone involvements.



all leading into 8th and

Warzone Cadia: 13th black crusade

Possible but past campaigns had third factions in the lore and they got shafted with formstions, rules, and models.
The fact the only new chaos unit and eldar unit are both hq characters screams tau vs Raven guard campaign style.

 Abadabadoobaddon wrote:

Warhams-77 wrote:
The Eye of Terror army lists and new miniature releases in 2003 were

- Wulfen (metal squad) (metal Runepriest)
- Ulthwe (metal Warlock Council) (metal Hvy Support weapon) (Storm Guardians upgrade pack)
- Cadia (metal Creed afaik)
- The Lost and the Damned (plastic mutation sprue)

LatD did not receive any new miniature releases for EoT. They got a bag with Ork, Catachan and zombie sprues that you could kitbash to make derpy-looking mutants. In fact LatD have never received a new miniature release period. At least not since 2nd edition.

Come to think of it, I don't remember Chaos getting any miniature releases at all for EoT. I guess they got revenge though, by winning the campaign when they weren't supposed to. And of course they've been paying for that fiasco with gak rules ever since.

IIRC, we got Typhus and the current Plaguemarines as new releases during the EoT summer.
Overall though, Chaos & IG got shafted model release wise, as the lions share of actual new releases were eaten up by Eldar & Puppies.

Most of the releases over that summer though were just gakky re-packs combo'ing a bunch of sprues together for kitbashing... (ie: 13th Co. got a "new" squad box that was simply 1x 4 Chaos Marine sprue set + 5x Loyalist Marine sprue set + SW accessory sprue + an actual new transfer sheet - the only real "new" part of the whole kit!)

Imperial Guard got the basic plastic Cadians and the metal Creed + Kell combo, the rest came a few months later when the new Guard codex hit.

 Yaraton wrote:
Oh look, another non-essential CSM crap...

Hmm. A CSM player complaining about being overlooked despite all the rumormongers pointing to a major upcoming overhaul. Must be a day that ends in "Y".

 BrookM wrote:
Imperial Guard got the basic plastic Cadians and the metal Creed + Kell combo, the rest came a few months later when the new Guard codex hit.

Didn't the Cadians come almost at the very end of the campaign though? I seem to remember them coming out like the month before the pre-4th ed codex hit, which was definitely released a couple months *after* EoT officially ended.

Nobody's commented on one of the most interesting bit of that sprue shot

@2016

so it's something that only just been done, not something that's been in the works for ages

It could have been sat in a CAD file for ages and only just got machined, no point in having your copyright start to expire sooner than you need, or yes, it could have been a recent thing, but Panda (and possibly Atia) have said these things are planned out a little further in advance than ~6 months.

 EnTyme wrote:

 Yaraton wrote:
Oh look, another non-essential CSM crap...

Hmm. A CSM player complaining about being overlooked despite all the rumormongers pointing to a major upcoming overhaul. Must be a day that ends in "Y".

You are correct, A rumor of support is the same as actual support.

but we've seen a whole bunch of stuff (for example the harlequins) showing up with copyright dates years off the release eg the harlequins show up in early 2015 with 2013 and 2014 on them

and that didn't seem to be too unusual at the time

but now (as with most of the AoS stuff) we seem to be getting them much closer to the date on the sprue

New days at GW for sure!

Triszin wrote:

 casvalremdeikun wrote:
Well, they certainly have stacked the deck in favor of Chaos losing the 13th Black Crusader this time. Perhaps when it is done they will buff Chaos.

rumor is plastic deamon primarchs and lots of love for chaos. so they are getting major power boosts if true

Hey , remember when they released the last wave of Ork models and they got a major power boost?

Cuz I don't.

That Eldrad. Holy crap. So it makes me wonder if Sad Panda saw a plastic Ahriman for 40k and not 30k.

Experiment 626 wrote:

 BrookM wrote:
Imperial Guard got the basic plastic Cadians and the metal Creed + Kell combo, the rest came a few months later when the new Guard codex hit.

Didn't the Cadians come almost at the very end of the campaign though? I seem to remember them coming out like the month before the pre-4th ed codex hit, which was definitely released a couple months *after* EoT officially ended.

Plastic Cadians and Creed/Kell came out at the start of the campaign IIRC. I can't find the White Dwarf anymore, but it was the same issue as the Defiler.

 Brometheus wrote:
That Eldrad. Holy crap. So it makes me wonder if Sad Panda saw a plastic Ahriman for 40k and not 30k.

He specifically says that the plastic Ahriman should be in red, not blue. So I wouldn't count on it

 Abadabadoobaddon wrote:
derpy-looking mutants

Ah, yes. These hideous conversions were quite offending for the eyes - I can't remember a single one of them looking good or even passable. The big mutants were ugly as well. These abominations as a studio army - what were they thinking?

 casvalremdeikun wrote:

 Brometheus wrote:
That Eldrad. Holy crap. So it makes me wonder if Sad Panda saw a plastic Ahriman for 40k and not 30k.

He specifically says that the plastic Ahriman should be in red, not blue. So I wouldn't count on it

Ahriman for the 2nd plastic Heresy game always seemed a bit too specific to me. The great thing about BaC was the generic nature of the models allowed you to go for which ever legion you wanted and supported multiple purchases. Having a legion specific special character seems to limit both. Of course the model could just be a generic legion librarian that's named in the game back ground as Ahriman in the same way that the two BaC characters were named generics. However.......Total speculation but could the 1k sons that stayed with Magnus and are now heading out with there primarch have kept the old legion colours? If Ahriman is forgiven and re-joins Magnus he could go back to the red scheme.

Let's get some shots of the Deathwatch stuff......

GoatboyBeta wrote:
The great thing about BaC was the generic nature of the models allowed you to go for which ever legion you wanted and supported multiple purchases. Having a legion specific special character seems to limit both.

That assumes GW learns from its successes...

I imagine it will be a Dark Eldar/Eldar campaign against Chaos. Or each other. There has been a long running sub plot of a plan to destroy Slaanesh and replace it with the Eldar god of death.

I've elaborated on this theory before. It's neat to see some tangential evidence. If we hear about DE update as well then we know this is likely the direction they are taking with that campaign book series.

I hope my dark kin get some love soon. :(

There's also the Harlequin plan which gets Slaanesh to destroy itself which could be tied in.

pm713 wrote:
There's also the Harlequin plan which gets Slaanesh to destroy itself which could be tied in.

Yeah this is all part of the same plot more or less and Eldrad and Vect have big roles in it. I think with Eldrad getting a model I hope and have a good feeling we'll see Vect again.

 Abadabadoobaddon wrote:

Triszin wrote:

 casvalremdeikun wrote:
Well, they certainly have stacked the deck in favor of Chaos losing the 13th Black Crusader this time. Perhaps when it is done they will buff Chaos.

rumor is plastic deamon primarchs and lots of love for chaos. so they are getting major power boosts if true

Hey , remember when they released the last wave of Ork models and they got a major power boost?

Cuz I don't.

Calling it now, Magnus will cost 999pts, because 'sacred numbers are fun!'

I mean, look how auto-win that unstoppable 888pts of Khorne super-death-engine turned out to be!

Warhams-77 wrote:

- The Lost and the Damned (plastic mutation sprue)

The Mutation Sprue we all loved was released with the plastic CSM kit a few years before and was used heavily for 3.5 Chaos to make their 'possessed'.

The Lost and the Damned 'kit' that was released was a direct only bundle that consisted of the Mutation Sprue, some Ork sprues, some Catachan sprues and some Skaven sprues.

 DarkStarSabre wrote:

Warhams-77 wrote:

- The Lost and the Damned (plastic mutation sprue)

The Mutation Sprue we all loved was released with the plastic CSM kit a few years before and was used heavily for 3.5 Chaos to make their 'possessed'.

The Lost and the Damned 'kit' that was released was a direct only bundle that consisted of the Mutation Sprue, some Ork sprues, some Catachan sprues and some Skaven sprues.

That wasn't actually "direct only". It was a splash release. It was a bundle of the sprues in a ziploc baggie with a GW sticker on it.

Deathwatch could be hunting Eldrad, then suddenly Chaos. Then they have to team up with the Deathwatch, getting the Space Marines all sad because they have to work with Xenos while on the Deathwatch, and Eldrad gets a just as planned boner.

It'll be interesting to see what happens in the days to come!

 Kanluwen wrote:

 DarkStarSabre wrote:

Warhams-77 wrote:

- The Lost and the Damned (plastic mutation sprue)

The Mutation Sprue we all loved was released with the plastic CSM kit a few years before and was used heavily for 3.5 Chaos to make their 'possessed'.

The Lost and the Damned 'kit' that was released was a direct only bundle that consisted of the Mutation Sprue, some Ork sprues, some Catachan sprues and some Skaven sprues.

That wasn't actually "direct only". It was a splash release. It was a bundle of the sprues in a ziploc baggie with a GW sticker on it.

Quite possibly. For some bizarre reason it lasted all of 5 minutes in stores though. It was a seriously lazy release for LatD.

Especially when you consider that 13th Company, apart from the Wulfen essentially were the same thing (Space Wolves with CSM sprues as 'extra') and got actual boxes for their squads rather than the ziplock baggie of shame.

Can someone point me to some pictures of the Lost and the Damned studio shots? I'd love to see what the stuff looked like, as all I can find are legion of the damned it seems.

I happen to like the old mutation sprues in all their chunky goodness, but that's just me.

I really hope heavy bolter suspensors are still a thing in the new DW dex. I am not looking forward to one of the main things that made them different getting nixxed (and my deathwatch getting neutered).

Looking forward to this. Eldrad and Kharn both aged well, but they both date back to 2nd edition, which is a hell of a long time to date back to.

Kinda wish the other non-Typhus/Lucius/Huron Chaos characters and the phoenix lords would get redone as well but hey, take what we can get.