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**lord_blackfang**

Sounds like someone took the next few known rumors (Eldrad, Magnus) and built a horsegak master plan around them.

**General Kroll**

You know though, it would be a pretty cool idea for GW to take the start collecting kits, and put together some kind of build your own starter set wizard on their website. So you pick two starter armies, and you get the mini rule book, dice templates etc packaged in with them.

**Knight**

I still have a dream that GW will release Iyanna one day. More concrete news are expected in September?

**Promethius**

I preferred the Rogal Dorn rumour. Shame that one is probably fake too. Bell of lost souls just seem to be making it up. Anyone with any memory of that time would come out with plausible cadian, wulfen, ulthwe and lost and the damned kits as well as webway factions and seem plausible.

**DarkStarSabre**

General Kroll wrote:
You know though, it would be a pretty cool idea for GW to take the start collecting kits, and put together some kind of build your own starter set wizard on their website. So you pick two starter armies, and you get the mini rule book, dice templates etc packaged in with them.

Or even to put the mini-book, templates and some dice with single army starter sets.

That'd be nice.

**General Kroll**

DarkStarSabre wrote:
General Kroll wrote:
You know though, it would be a pretty cool idea for GW to take the start collecting kits, and put together some kind of build your own starter set wizard on their website. So you pick two starter armies, and you get the mini rule book, dice templates etc packaged in with them.

Or even to put the mini-book, templates and some dice with single army starter sets.

That'd be nice.

Yeah that'd be really nice actually. They'll never do it, but a boy can dream.

**Sersi**

tneva82 wrote:
EnTyme wrote:

He's just going by the rumors that popped up around the time AoS came out and Archaon didn't have a Slaanesh head. Combine that with AoS lore mentioning Slaanesh going missing since the end times, and everyone just jumped to "Slaanesh got squatted". That's not how GW removes factions. They don't "go missing". They get freaking temporally displaced. Not only do they no longer exist, they never existed. Slaanesh is coming back. Insiders say that GW is trying to find a new niche for him/her. It's not so much about making Slaanesh more "family friendly" so much as it is making him less of a one-note song. There is more to hedonism than just sexual debauchery.

But that doesn't mean they can't put slaanesh to same state in 40k.

Sure, and they could kill off the Emperor, except they won't. The same with Slaanesh, who is even more integral to 40K than AOS. The people wishing for Ynnead to be born and Slaanesh to be beaten are forgetting the Eldar's theme. Eldar = Tolkien Elves. They are a dying race, they are never coming back from the Fall. The Fall is their defining trait. A reflection of there own cultural flaws. Ynnead's existence is about as real as Isha being still alive. Most Eldar don't believe either are true. GW is not likely to ever lets us know for sure; as there just fluffy background elements.

With regard to Slaanesh being changed from sexual debauchery. Well, s/he never was just about sex in the first place. S/he doesn't even need a new niche, just need to expand what the already have. Slaanesh owns six of the seven deadly sins after all. If you actually read what little has been written about Slaanesh and hir followers in AOS they haven't toned it down at all. GW actually doubled down of the excess and violence.

**tneva82**

Sersi wrote:

Sure, and they could kill off the Emperor, except they won't. The same with Slaanesh, who is even more integral to 40K than AOS. The people wishing for Ynnead to be born and Slaanesh to be beaten are forgetting the Eldar's theme. Eldar = Tolkien Elves. They are a dying race, they are never coming back from the Fall. The Fall is their defining trait. A reflection of there own cultural flaws. Ynnead's existence is about as real as Isha being still alive. Most Eldar don't believe either are true. GW is not likely to ever lets us know for sure; as there just fluffy background elements.

With regard to Slaanesh being changed from sexual debauchery. Well, s/he never was just about sex in the first place. S/he doesn't even need a new niche, just need to expand what the already have. Slaanesh owns six of the seven deadly sins after all. If you actually read what little has been written about Slaanesh and hir followers in AOS they haven't toned it down at all. GW actually doubled down of the excess and violence.

And having slaanesh off for a while before return is bad idea...how? As it is slaanesh is unlikely to get new models anyway before comes back in aos so in practice what change to slaanesh? Have him off for a while though opens up new possibilities in fluff.

**Imateria**

Sersi wrote:
tneva82 wrote:
EnTyme wrote:

He's just going by the rumors that popped up around the time AoS came out and Archaon didn't have a Slaanesh head. Combine that with AoS lore mentioning Slaanesh going missing since the end times, and everyone just jumped to "Slaanesh got squatted". That's not how GW removes factions. They don't "go missing". They get freaking temporally displaced. Not only do they no longer exist, they never existed. Slaanesh is coming back. Insiders say that GW is trying to find a new niche for him/her. It's not so much about making Slaanesh more "family friendly" so much as it is making him less of a one-note song. There is more to hedonism than just sexual debauchery.

But that doesn't mean they can't put slaanesh to same state in 40k.

Sure, and they could kill off the Emperor, except they won't. The same with Slaanesh, who is even more integral to 40K than AOS. The people wishing for Ynnead to be born and Slaanesh to be beaten are forgetting the Eldar's theme. Eldar = Tolkien Elves. They are a dying race, they are never coming back from the Fall. The Fall is their defining trait. A reflection of there own cultural flaws. Ynnead's existence is about as real as Isha being still alive. Most Eldar don't believe either are true. GW is not likely to ever lets us know for sure; as there just fluffy background elements.

With regard to Slaanesh being changed from sexual debauchery. Well, s/he never was just about sex in the first place. S/he doesn't even need a new niche, just need to expand what the already have. Slaanesh owns six of the seven deadly sins after all. If you actually read what little has been written about Slaanesh and hir followers in AOS they haven't toned it down at all. GW actually doubled down of the excess and violence.

Ynnead comming into existence and severing their connection to Slaanesh won't change the fact that they are considered a dying race, they'll still be seperated all around the galaxy on Craftworlds or Maiden Worlds.

**pm713**

Imateria wrote:
Sersi wrote:
tneva82 wrote:
EnTyme wrote:

He's just going by the rumors that popped up around the time AoS came out and Archaon didn't have a Slaanesh head. Combine that with AoS lore mentioning Slaanesh going missing since the end times, and everyone just jumped to "Slaanesh got squatted". That's not how GW removes factions. They don't "go missing". They get freaking temporally displaced. Not only do they no longer exist, they never existed. Slaanesh is coming back. Insiders say that GW is trying to find a new niche for him/her. It's not so much about making Slaanesh more "family friendly" so much as it is making him less of a one-note song. There is more to hedonism than just sexual debauchery.

But that doesn't mean they can't put slaanesh to same state in 40k.

Sure, and they could kill off the Emperor, except they won't. The same with Slaanesh, who is even more integral to 40K than AOS. The people wishing for Ynnead to be born and Slaanesh to be beaten are forgetting the Eldar's theme. Eldar = Tolkien Elves. They are a dying race, they are never coming back from the Fall. The Fall is their defining trait. A reflection of there own cultural flaws. Ynnead's existence is about as real as Isha being still alive. Most Eldar don't believe either are true. GW is not likely to ever lets us know for sure; as there just fluffy background elements.

With regard to Slaanesh being changed from sexual debauchery. Well, s/he never was just about sex in the first place. S/he doesn't even need a new niche, just need to expand what the already have. Slaanesh owns six of the seven deadly sins after all. If you actually read what little has been written about Slaanesh and hir followers in AOS they haven't toned it down at all. GW actually doubled down of the excess and violence.

Ynnead comming into existence and severing their connection to Slaanesh won't change the fact that they are considered a dying race, they'll still be seperated all around the galaxy on Craftworlds or Maiden Worlds.

It does radically change Dark Eldar and Eldar societies though.

**CalgarsPimpHand**

Imateria wrote:
Ynnead comming into existence and severing their connection to Slaanesh won't change the fact that they are considered a dying race, they'll still be seperated all around the galaxy on Craftworlds or Maiden Worlds.

You don't know much about the Eldar then. It would literally change their entire culture (Craftworld and Dark Eldar alike) and totally ruin their story.

Edit: Sorry, let me elaborate. Every "protagonist" race in 40k is doomed in the sense that Tyranids, Necrons, Orks, and Chaos will eventually overrun everything. However, the Eldar are tragic because they are fully responsible for creating Slaanesh, their own personal doom that hungrily awaits them all.

If they erase or nullify Slaanesh, they aren't tragic - hell, they aren't even any more of a dying race than anyone else. I mean, there are way more Eldar than there are Tau in the galaxy, the Eldar have more advanced technology, and the Eldar as a race are better able to fight many of the worst foes (like daemons), and yet you don't hear anyone calling the Tau a dying race.

If the Eldar no longer feared Slaanesh devouring them, the Dark Eldar wouldn't have to hide out in the webway and torture lesser mortals to top their souls off. The Craftworld Eldar would no longer be stuck on their rigid paths, leading quiet ascetic lives to avoid drawing the attention of Slaanesh.

Their entire cultures would no longer need to exist in their current forms. There would be no tragic doom awaiting them. They'd be just another race, and one of the more powerful races, and that's just plain boring.

**Gamgee**

Oh I figure once Yannead comes back they are going to betray all of the Eldar equally.

Or even have been twisted a little. Maybe even take over Slaanesh's feeding. They are still the god of death not the god of fluffy bunnies.

**pepsuber**

For some reason i see GW restoring the Emperor to his pre heresy glory and he does the same thing sigmar is doing.

As for the chaos campaign, what happened to War Zone Fenris 2? I thought that was due out around the same time

**Warhams-77**

The final part of the Warzone Fenris - Legacy of the Russ ebook series will be released in August, followed by the printed collection.

http://www.blacklibrary.com/warhammer-40000

We dont know yet if the ebook series will bring the final conclusion to the Warzone Fenris situation with its last part. From what has been shown so far I don't think it will, but I could be wrong.

The Chaos campaign book Atia's source mentioned could be either a direct sequel or taking place in a different Warzone. Thematically it would fit well into Warzone: Fenris

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There is currently a similiar ebook series featuring Kharn - The Red Path

http://www.blacklibrary.com/all-products/red-path-sub.html

Written by Chris Dows

The story (contains possible spoilers)

Part 1
Khârn the Betrayer wages bloody war across the Imperium, following the Red Path and leading his warband of Khorne Berzerkers in greater and greater acts of battle and bloodshed against all-comers. Abaddon desires to yoke Khârn's strength and ferocity for his own ends, but the Champion of Khorne will not kneel easily as his violent crusade brings him into conflict not only with the Imperium but also the Black Legion...

Part 2
Khârn the Betrayer and his berzerkers have achieved a bloody victory over the White Scars – but before battle’s end the Chogorian khan managed to beat a cowardly retreat. For the Champion of Khorne, no battle is won while a single enemy breathes, and so he launches a furious pursuit of his quarry across the shimmering mirror-surfaces of Haeleon, only for the planet itself to offer deadly challenges of its own. Meanwhile, the Imperium holds its breath as Abaddon the Despoiler continues his Black Crusade, and the cardinal of Salandraxis knows all too well how vulnerable they are…

Part 3
At the order of the Warmaster himself, Talomar Locq and his Hounds of Abaddon are hunting for Khârn the Betrayer. Arriving too late at the planet of Haeleon, he hopes that a seemingly derelict White Scars ship may contain the information they need to complete their hunt. Khârn seeks to understand the visions granted him by the Blood God, but what part will a showdown with the Black Legion play in his pursuit of the Red Path? Chapter Master Solucious Gaul, meanwhile, must look to his defences as his fleet attempts to safeguard a Living Saint on a vital journey through perilous space.

Part 4
Khârn the Betrayer intercepts an astropathic beacon so hatefully pure that it must be connected to his visions, but he struggles to see what Khorne bids him do. Perhaps he can find clarity in the fighting pits, deep in the bowels of the Skulltaker… Chapter Master Gaul of the Angels Eradicant must take decisive action as the Living Saint Lozepath openly heralds his return to the shrine world of Salandraxis – the seat of his throne. Locq of the Hounds of Abaddon faces his master Urkanthos and suffers the consequences for his failure to capture Khârn.

Part 5
As klaxons fill the corridors of the Skulltaker, Khârn the Betrayer and his warband prepare to repel the attack of an unexpected enemy. His ship is caught in a perilous position and overrun by hostile raiding parties, but Khârn and his Khorne Berzerkers do not give up the fight easily. Elsewhere, on the shrine world of Salandraxis, Cardinal Astral Pradillo sees the Living Saint Lozepath return to his throne for the first time in many years. Will his holiness see reason and make arrangements for his own safety?

**GoatboyBeta**

I'd agree that the rumors about the 8th edition army boxes are unfortunately bunk. But to play devils advocate for a sec...Having the head spiritseer of a craftworld known for its use heavy of wraith constructs refered to as an oracle of the god of the dead, doesn't mean that the Eldar are then free from Slaanesh or even that Ynnead is awake.

**Gamgee**

Are all these really that far fetched when every race now has a start collecting bundle? I'm almost certain I heard they didn't want to bring the price of 40k models down, but offer a lot more box deals and sets. Which would help people get started easier, but to keep continuing collecting cost the same so they rake in that cash.

**GoatboyBeta**

I would love it if they were real, the background is expanding on the Eldar vs Ahriman plot from the 13th black crusade, the models sound great and I would probably buy at least half of the boxes at least once. So I'm working on the assumption that its way to good to be true

**Gamgee**

Eh if none of this happens it's all okay. DE get no love anyways so what does it matter? Par for the course.

Hope for the best, prepare for the worst.

**Matt.Kingsley**

Hope is the first step on the road to disappointment.

**Gamgee**

Matt.Kingsley wrote:
Hope is the first step on the road to disappointment.

What if I don't step or travel by road?

**Crazyterran**

Maybe it's just going to be a two part Eldar/Deathwatch then Khorne CSM campaign, and people are reading to much into it.

**Vankraken**

CalgarsPimpHand wrote:
Imateria wrote:
Ynnead comming into existence and severing their connection to Slaanesh won't change the fact that they are considered a dying race, they'll still be seperated all around the galaxy on Craftworlds or Maiden Worlds.

You don't know much about the Eldar then. It would literally change their entire culture (Craftworld and Dark Eldar alike) and totally ruin their story.

Edit: Sorry, let me elaborate. Every "protagonist" race in 40k is doomed in the sense that Tyranids, Necrons, Orks, and Chaos will eventually overrun everything. However, the Eldar are tragic because they are fully responsible for creating Slaanesh, their own personal doom that hungrily awaits them all.

If they erase or nullify Slaanesh, they aren't tragic - hell, they aren't even any more of a dying race than anyone else. I mean, there are way more Eldar than there are Tau in the galaxy, the Eldar have more advanced technology, and the Eldar as a race are better able to fight many of the worst foes (like daemons), and yet you don't hear anyone calling the Tau a dying race.

If the Eldar no longer feared Slaanesh devouring them, the Dark Eldar wouldn't have to hide out in the webway and torture lesser mortals to top their souls off. The Craftworld Eldar would no longer be stuck on their rigid paths, leading quiet ascetic lives to avoid drawing the attention of Slaanesh.

Their entire cultures would no longer need to exist in their current forms. There would be no tragic doom awaiting them. They'd be just another race, and one of the more powerful races, and that's just plain boring.

Very well put and it highlights the theme of the Eldar tragedy.

I will say that what makes Eldar a dying race and not the Tau is the rate at which they can replace their loses and the longevity of sustaining their population through all this constant warfare. Tau have no issues with rapidly breeding (doing it for the greater good and all that) and considering how fast they expand and colonize planets they do seem to be quite the baby factories. Eldar seem to have a hard time (hehe) with making new pointy ear gits for some reason so each casualty would be difficult to effectively replace. That said I don't know the fluff behind why the Eldar seem to be slow at reproducing.

**Knight**

Reproduction doesn't seem to be the main problem, judging from the Eldar novels. It's the supply of spirit stones that's almost universally in high demand across all craftworlds. Expeditions of outcasts will be send on Crone worlds to harvest the material so the new generation can be raised in relative safety until they're ready to make their own mistakes.

Slaneesh isn't needed to continue with the Eldar tragedy, they have more than enough other problems and flaws that could be used to go with it. Even existence of Ynnead wouldn't mean invalidation of Slaneesh (both could exist) or that the Eldar would be suddenly free from perils of the warp or safely passing in the afterlife. Depending how the director would want to expand the background.

**Mr Morden**

Living Saint Lozepath openly heralds his return to the shrine world of Salandraxis – the seat of his throne. Locq of the Hounds of Abaddon faces his master Urkanthos and suffers the consequences for his failure to capture Khârn.

Well will still cling to some hope that we might see you some more great images and fluff for the Sororitas as was done in Shield of Baal as its both a Shrone world and a living Saint is appearing.

Rules or models are sadly a bit much to hope for :(

**Imateria**

CalgarsPimpHand wrote:
Imateria wrote:
Ynnead comming into existence and severing their connection to Slaanesh won't change the fact that they are considered a dying race, they'll still be seperated all around the galaxy on Craftworlds or Maiden Worlds.

You don't know much about the Eldar then. It would literally change their entire culture (Craftworld and Dark Eldar alike) and totally ruin their story.

Edit: Sorry, let me elaborate. Every "protagonist" race in 40k is doomed in the sense that Tyranids, Necrons, Orks, and Chaos will eventually overrun everything. However, the Eldar are tragic because they are fully responsible for creating Slaanesh, their own personal doom that hungrily awaits them all.

If they erase or nullify Slaanesh, they aren't tragic - hell, they aren't even any more of a dying race than anyone else. I mean, there are way more Eldar than there are Tau in the galaxy, the Eldar have more advanced technology, and the Eldar as a race are better able to fight many of the worst foes (like daemons), and yet you don't hear anyone calling the Tau a dying race.

If the Eldar no longer feared Slaanesh devouring them, the Dark Eldar wouldn't have to hide out in the webway and torture lesser mortals to top their souls off. The Craftworld Eldar would no longer be stuck on their rigid paths, leading quiet ascetic lives to avoid drawing the attention of Slaanesh.

Their entire cultures would no longer need to exist in their current forms. There would be no tragic doom awaiting them. They'd be just another race, and one of the more powerful races, and that's just plain boring.

As far as the Dark Eldar are concerned it wouldn't make any difference. After the Fall they didn't see any need to change there ways at all and carried on with the debauchery just as before, it was only later they found that Slaanesh was sucking on their souls and getting vampiric helped out staving off She Who Thirsts. Given that it makes them stronger in battle anyway (the whole concept of Power from Pain), no matter what does or doesn't happen to Slaanesh the Dark Eldar will not change, and they aren't really a dying civilisation thanks to the vat grown and the Haemonculi's ability to bring you back from the dead (for a price....).

Craftworld Eldar would be much harder to sort out fluff wise but far from impossible, hell the social upheavel of having to readjust to life without Slaanesh after 10 000 years alone could cause schisms within the Craftworlds. In fact I'd say overcoming their greatest enemy to find that things are still pretty damn grim for them fits into the setting well anyway.

**Lord Perversor**

Knight wrote:
Reproduction doesn't seem to be the main problem, judging from the Eldar novels. It's the supply of spirit stones that's almost universally in high demand across all craftworlds. Expeditions of outcasts will be send on Crone worlds to harvest the material so the new generation can be raised in relative safety until they're ready to make their own mistakes.

Slaneesh isn't needed to continue with the Eldar tragedy, they have more than enough other problems and flaws that could be used to go with it. Even existence of Ynnead wouldn't mean invalidation of Slaneesh (both could exist) or that the Eldar would be suddenly free from perils of the warp or safely passing in the afterlife. Depending how the director would want to expand the background.

One of the paths i theorized it's Ynnead becoming similar to a super Exarch/Phoenix Lord for the Eldar so as they die they fuse with that personality and live on forever within him.

This leads to all Eldar spliting in 2x factions the Followers who become some kind of Zealots/berserk fighting more carelessly because they can transcend death and become part of him and the Individuals who are terrified of such fate and wish to retain their individuality and avoid death at all cost.

This can be easily put in motion just by finally collapsing the Webway forcing the Black Library into realspace and all Craftworlds gathering around just to protect it as a desperate measure and the proximity of all the Craftworlds infinity circuits awakening Ynnead finally.

Ahhh how easy it's to theorize future lore.

**pm713**

That would just force everything in the Webway into the Warp effectively handing it to Chaos.

**tneva82**

Imateria wrote:
Craftworld Eldar would be much harder to sort out fluff wise but far from impossible, hell the social upheavel of having to readjust to life without Slaanesh after 10 000 years alone could cause schisms within the Craftworlds. In fact I'd say overcoming their greatest enemy to find that things are still pretty damn grim for them fits into the setting well anyway.

Especially as the "no slaanesh" would only be temporal state anyway. They would need to prepare for the comeback right away.

**Mr Morden**

re the Eldar - the Craftworld Paths and the Dark Eldar soul draining are not the only ways.

Corsairs survive without either Soul Stones or soul drain and Eldar from either of the two prime communities can become Corsairs.

Its risky - whats not clear is if Corsairs are all adults when they choose this life or if they have children in the void and have to teech the how to survive..

**tneva82**

Mr Morden wrote:
re the Eldar - the Craftworld Paths and the Dark Eldar soul draining are not the only ways.

Corsairs survive without either Soul Stones or soul drain and Eldar from either of the two prime communities can become Corsairs.

Its risky - whats not clear is if Corsairs are all adults when they choose this life or if they have children in the void and have to teech the how to survive..

You don't die without spirit stone. But what happens after you die? Where in fluff it states they avoid having soul consumed after dying?

Is being corsair state of avoiding soul consumption or gambling that they don't suffer death for excitement.