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**Mantle**

Would be nice to see some ulthwei themed formations, maybe one with the guardian squads that must take warlocks and allowing the warlocks to roll once to cast a power but cast both parts or something.

**Crazyterran**

It's Ulthwe, so all Guardians and Psykers.

**Knight**

Mantle wrote:
Would be nice to see some ulthwei themed formations, maybe one with the guardian squads that must take warlocks and allowing the warlocks to roll once to cast a power but cast both parts or something.

More formations could potentially be very cool. Wraith constructs and angry elven battle wizards in space are two themes I can't get enough.

**Warhams-77**

DarkStarSabre wrote:

That prepared army also shows up in the Craftworlds codex. It's not terribly new.

Yes, I know

**RazorEdge**

Ishagu on B&C:

Hi guys

Recently I posted some interesting rumours for the foreseeable future. I have an update with some very exciting releases for this year.

GW's flagship game has been rather quiet in recent months and AOS has been stealing the headlines in the meantime. I'm here to tell you that 40k is coming back in a big way.

-This year we're going to see the start of something called "The time of Ending!" Games Workshop is going to advance the storyline.

-You've all heard the rumors of plastic Deamon Primarchs. I'm here to tell you they aren't the only ones. Before Christmas this year we're going to see the release of some loyalists as well.

-ROGAL DORN is going to be the first loyalist release. This is going to be a plastic kit specifically designed for 40k. He'll be missing one of his hands, in it's place will be a ranged weapon of some kind (this detail was quite sketchy however)

-Other Loyalists will also be returning eventually. Guilliman will be fully healed alongside some other surprises.
Here's a big development: Some of the Primarchs will return to lead forces OTHER than their original Legions/Chapters, and will have different allegiances.

-Alpharius (or Omegon?) will be fighting against the forces of Chaos, whilst the Khan might return to battle the Imperium! (These details were sketchy and I believe these might just be examples)

-The plastic Primarchs will be specifically for 40k with different sets of rules, looks and wargear ALTHOUGH there might be overlap with some of the existing FW models.

-Horus Heresy second boardgame will be released around November this year.

-Plastic Warhound will not be released this year.

-Warhammer 40k 8th edition will have 2 tiers of game. A streamlined version and more advanced play. Also free downloads for rules in the same way as AoS will start this year following the next campaign book. This will not be for all of the rules however.

-The time of Ending will lead into 8th edition which is out next year.

http://www.bolterandchainsword.com/topic/323519-30-years-of-40k-winter-is-coming-end-times-8th-chaos/page-6

Atia indirectly confirmed this rumor (she added it to the rumors summary).

**adamsouza**

This reads like someone just collected a bunch of wish listed rumors and rolled them all into one.

Spoiler:

**General Kroll**

RazorEdge wrote:
Ishagu on B&C:

Hi guys

Recently I posted some interesting rumours for the foreseeable future. I have an update with some very exciting releases for this year.

GW's flagship game has been rather quiet in recent months and AOS has been stealing the headlines in the meantime. I'm here to tell you that 40k is coming back in a big way.

-This year we're going to see the start of something called "The time of Ending!" Games Workshop is going to advance the storyline.

-You've all heard the rumors of plastic Deamon Primarchs. I'm here to tell you they aren't the only ones. Before Christmas this year we're going to see the release of some loyalists as well.

-ROGAL DORN is going to be the first loyalist release. This is going to be a plastic kit specifically designed for 40k. He'll be missing one of his hands, in it's place will be a ranged weapon of some kind (this detail was quite sketchy however)

-Other Loyalists will also be returning eventually. Guilliman will be fully healed alongside some other surprises.
Here's a big development: Some of the Primarchs will return to lead forces OTHER than their original Legions/Chapters, and will have different allegiances.

-Alpharius (or Omegon?) will be fighting against the forces of Chaos, whilst the Khan might return to battle the Imperium! (These details were sketchy and I believe these might just be examples)

-The plastic Primarchs will be specifically for 40k with different sets of rules, looks and wargear ALTHOUGH there might be overlap with some of the existing FW models.

-Horus Heresy second boardgame will be released around November this year.

-Plastic Warhound will not be released this year.

-Warhammer 40k 8th edition will have 2 tiers of game. A streamlined version and more advanced play. Also free downloads for rules in the same way as AoS will start this year following the next campaign book. This will not be for all of the rules however.

-The time of Ending will lead into 8th edition which is out next year.

http://www.bolterandchainsword.com/topic/323519-30-years-of-40k-winter-is-coming-end-times-8th-chaos/page-6

Atia indirectly confirmed this rumor (she added it to the rumors summary).

I don't believe a single word of it.

**pm713**

Heard that before. Not got anymore believable in the time since.

**DarkStarSabre**

Meanwhile the plastic sisters wait to be released in their plastic thunderhawk.

**Don Savik**

The Primarchs in 40k......I just don't see it when 30k exists.

GW has never mixed and matched units/rules with anything from Forgeworld so I don't see them making 40k rules for their existing primarch models. And why would they make a 40k version of Rogal Dorn before a 30k version?

Moving the timeline to the end times basically when chaos haven't had a new codex since 2012? Fat chance.

Plastic Warhound? Warhounds are over 400 dollars. I don't see GW fixing the warhound so its the equivalent of the Stompa kit tbh.

edit:

DarkStarSabre wrote:
Meanwhile the plastic sisters wait to be released in their plastic thunderhawk.

the new Sisters start collecting box will include:

-The Emperor of Mankind (can also be built as Horus)
-10 Sisters of Battle
-3 Primarchs
-Thunderhawk Gunship

**Azreal13**

The Primarchs in 40k......I just don't see it when 30k exists.

Except the very best rumour mongers have confirmed Daemon Magnus is on the way for 40K as a plastic kit..

**gungo**

RazorEdge wrote:
Ishagu on B&C:

Hi guys

Recently I posted some interesting rumours for the foreseeable future. I have an update with some very exciting releases for this year.

GW's flagship game has been rather quiet in recent months and AOS has been stealing the headlines in the meantime. I'm here to tell you that 40k is coming back in a big way.

-This year we're going to see the start of something called "The time of Ending!" Games Workshop is going to advance the storyline.

-You've all heard the rumors of plastic Deamon Primarchs. I'm here to tell you they aren't the only ones. Before Christmas this year we're going to see the release of some loyalists as well.

-ROGAL DORN is going to be the first loyalist release. This is going to be a plastic kit specifically designed for 40k. He'll be missing one of his hands, in it's place will be a ranged weapon of some kind (this detail was quite sketchy however)

-Other Loyalists will also be returning eventually. Guilliman will be fully healed alongside some other surprises.
Here's a big development: Some of the Primarchs will return to lead forces OTHER than their original Legions/Chapters, and will have different allegiances.

-Alpharius (or Omegon?) will be fighting against the forces of Chaos, whilst the Khan might return to battle the Imperium! (These details were sketchy and I believe these might just be examples)

-The plastic Primarchs will be specifically for 40k with different sets of rules, looks and wargear ALTHOUGH there might be overlap with some of the existing FW models.

-Horus Heresy second boardgame will be released around November this year.

-Plastic Warhound will not be released this year.

-Warhammer 40k 8th edition will have 2 tiers of game. A streamlined version and more advanced play. Also free downloads for rules in the same way as AoS will start this year following the next campaign book. This will not be for all of the rules however.

-The time of Ending will lead into 8th edition which is out next year.

http://www.bolterandchainsword.com/topic/323519-30-years-of-40k-winter-is-coming-end-times-8th-chaos/page-6

Atia indirectly confirmed this rumor (she added it to the rumors summary).

With current rumours and the way GW is heading and the popularity of 30k. I completely see much of her above coming true.
Alpharius has a twin primarch brother omegon and it makes a lot of sense to see the two primarchs split one on the imperium and one on chaos side.
Dorn missing a hand with a weapon attached makes a lot of sense as well.
Even khan returning and fighting the imperium because he is not happy with the way things gate going makes a lot of sense except it will be odd to create a space marine codex with a non-loyalist, non-chaos chapter.
I fully expect primarchs to start returning in 40k. With all the solid rumour mongers starting to say this I'm surprised people are still in denial about it.

**pm713**

It would be a dramatic change in the setting and last time that was a disaster. Why would people believe it?

**gungo**

pm713 wrote:
It would be a dramatic change in the setting and last time that was a disaster. Why would people believe it?

Azreal13 wrote:
The Primarchs in 40k......I just don't see it when 30k exists.

Except the very best rumour mongers have confirmed Daemon Magnus is on the way for 40K as a plastic kit..

Add leman Russ

the fact 30k is doing so well only further supports GW to bring primarchs back in some form. As much as GW is happy fw is profitable they still want 40k to be the flagship product. If they believe primarchs will boost 40k sales you will be darn sure they will release them.

The fact a stronger codex isn't released for chaos also has never had any bearing on GW releases. They will continue to push fluff and campaigns that show that chaos space marines are the single biggest threat in the galaxy even if chaos is lagging behind on a weak 7th Ed codex. But they will likely jump onto those campaigns and books with at least some form of chaos releases (which I'm fairly sure will be one of the first 8th Ed releases along with another space marine book, lol)

There is no drastic change we have been moving toward lord of war type figures in 40k the last 3 years. It also gives GW a chance to make a generals handbook type brb for 40k. It also is no where near a setting change as AoS. They pretty much deleted entire armies, stripped out complete lines of models, and completely changed the story line. No rumours in 40k suggest anything near this, just the fact primarchs and other larger figures are returning in preparation for the end. Which is pretty much where we have been at the last 20years with 40k except now with some lord of war types leading us.

**ALEXisAWESOME**

The manager of a GW store I frequent was talking to me while I speculated what was going to be inside of the Ulthwe vs Deathwatch box. He is a very successful manager with a store near GW HQ so it wouldn't surprise me if he did have knowledge of this. He gave me a propper wink wink nudge nudge about what he 'thinks' will be in it. He said he ''thinks'' It will be Harlequins vs Death watch set for £95 containing £200 worth of miniatures, with all unique/new Marine models and that I should save up because he thinks it'll be the kinda deal lots of people will want to go half and half on.

**pm713**

gungo wrote:
pm713 wrote:
It would be a dramatic change in the setting and last time that was a disaster. Why would people believe it?
Azreal13 wrote:
The Primarchs in 40k......I just don't see it when 30k exists.

Except the very best rumour mongers have confirmed Daemon Magnus is on the way for 40K as a plastic kit..

Add leman Russ

the fact 30k is doing so well only further supports GW to bring primarchs back in some form. As much as GW is happy fw is profitable they still want 40k to be the flagship product. If they believe primarchs will boost 40k sales you will be darn sure they will release them.

The fact a stronger codex isn't released for chaos also has never had any bearing on GW releases. They will continue to push fluff and campaigns that show that chaos space marines are the single biggest threat in the galaxy even if chaos is lagging behind on a weak 7th Ed codex. But they will likely jump onto those campaigns and books with at least some form of chaos releases (which I'm fairly sure will be one of the first 8th Ed releases along with another space marine book, lol)

There is no drastic change we have been moving toward lord of war type figures in 40k the last 3 years. It also gives GW a chance to make a generals handbook type brb for 40k.

You don't consider moving from minute to midnight to midnight a change. I think people are being wildly optimistic over this despite an incredible lack of evidence.

**gungo**

It's not a minute to midnight to midnight. It's a minute to midnight to 1 second to midnight.

It's basically the exact same place we are at right now but with a few lord of war figures leading some factions. Nothing changes except some politics on what was the emporer intent, who should lead, how they should lead and some infighting on the imperium side and a bunch of chaos surges as they try to retrieve some knowledge by the old ones from the black library about the warp. This is the lore that's been building up for 20 years and we will basically still be waiting another 20 years for the next move.

Nothing like AoS wiping out entire factions, entire lines of models, and making alternate dimensional worlds that completely throw the old lore out.

Midnight is basically the emporer dying/ascending, chaos and the material world colliding into one dimension, elder being absorbed into slannesh or slannesh getting killed off, things like that where entire factions are erased But none of this is happening. 40k still has a long way to go before GW goes this route. Heck even the poorest selling army in 40k still sells well.

**ImAGeek**

pm713 wrote:
It would be a dramatic change in the setting and last time that was a disaster. Why would people believe it?

Well, according to the financial report, AoS is already outselling fantasy so not a disaster, plus the rumour says advance the timeline, not go all the way.

**pm713**

ImAGeek wrote:
pm713 wrote:
It would be a dramatic change in the setting and last time that was a disaster. Why would people believe it?

Well, according to the financial report, AoS is already outselling fantasy so not a disaster, plus the rumour says advance the timeline, not go all the way.

You're right AoS was so well recieved. I'm sure the constant stream of new stuff is nothing to do with selling. It isn't doing well. They took a year to finish it and the reason it profits is GW drowning people in new stuff. Things could have been handled much better by anyone with a brain.

**adamsouza**

ImAGeek wrote:
pm713 wrote:
It would be a dramatic change in the setting and last time that was a disaster. Why would people believe it?

Well, according to the financial report, AoS is already outselling fantasy so not a disaster, plus the rumour says advance the timeline, not go all the way.

Space Marine Tactical squads were bringing in more money than the entire line of Fantasy was, at one point, so outselling Fantasy is a pretty low bench mark.

To be honest, I don't see why 30K just doesn't get taken over by GW proper. It can exist side by side with 40K. It already does, it's just harder to get the books and models for.

**BrookM**

Plastic Warhound..?

I know it is too good to be true but.. I want to believe!

**migooo**

BrookM wrote:
Plastic Warhound..?

I know it is too good to be true but.. I want to believe!

Up to then i was quite believing in it.

**General Kroll**

When do these list type rumours ever come to fruition? when someone gets specific info, like Panda or Atia, they generally give a small snippet of info.

**Olgerth Istaarn**

Plastic Warhound is coming out right after plastic Thunderhawk. And then SQUATS!!!!

Also: sometimes Atia just stirs the pot for giggles. I would not trust anyone who is that committed to the Bolter and Chainsword cesspool.

Just saying.

**RazorEdge**

Before the release of AoS, everyone laughed.....

**pm713**

adamsouza wrote:
ImAGeek wrote:
pm713 wrote:
It would be a dramatic change in the setting and last time that was a disaster. Why would people believe it?

Well, according to the financial report, AoS is already outselling fantasy so not a disaster, plus the rumour says advance the timeline, not go all the way.

Space Marine Tactical squads were bringing in more money than the entire line of Fantasy was, at one point, so outselling Fantasy is a pretty low bench mark.

To be honest, I don't see why 30K just doesn't get taken over by GW proper. It can exist side by side with 40K. It already does, it's just harder to get the books and models for.

If GW take over that seems like the beginning of the end. I can see how GW treats the armies they have. Not having that is one of the best things about 30k.

**Olgerth Istaarn**

Truer words have never been spoken.

If GW proper takes over 30K, you'll have Mortarion riding a sled pulled by giant maggots, and Emperor will become an MLP unicorn in power armor.

Someday, GW will be included in the Big Book Of Companies Who Trashed Their Own IP: Don't Be Like Them publication.

**Triszin**

If Rogal Dorn is the first Primarch to return then.

I expect Rogal to return in an upcoming campaign involving necron.

The necron lord collector dude, was stated to have something along the lines of this.

"A massive figure clad in baroque power armor Locked in stasis"

I assume that Dorn, so he gets out somehow and goes, I gotta do stuff and things!@

**Pilum**

It wouldn't be as big a conceptual wrench though. Fantasy went from a 'traditional' big-army rank-and-file game to a looser, raiding band/skirmish-style one, with some dramatic aesthetic style changes.

If - IF - it does pan out, it's safe to say that for power armour players at least, the base looks won't change much, unless 30k becomes the new 40k (if you get me). The Space Marine sells. No matter how much we may complain about their ubiquity, I really can't see them going anywhere. Further, I doubt some with popular releases lately (Quins, especially if the box set rumour pans out? AdMech? Tau?) are going anywhere, and especially not things that are more 'protectable'.

That said, I'd never have expected AoS. However, sci-fantasy art styles don't seem to have moved away from 40k (apart from cyberpunk-y and anime-ish imagery) so much as it seems to have inspired a lot more. What I'm trying to say here is that I saw a lot more flashy, high-fantasy (WoW-esque?) art in recent years than I did gritty 'Warhammer world' level. I can imagine artists and sculptors feeling a bit hemmed in at adhering to a ... less currently fashionable aesthetic. 40k doesn't seem to have a similar snag. (Caveat - my experience only, of course).

**pm713**

Triszin wrote:
If Rogal Dorn is the first Primarch to return then.

I expect Rogal to return in an upcoming campaign involving necron.

The necron lord collector dude, was stated to have something along the lines of this.

"A massive figure clad in baroque power armor Locked in stasis"

I assume that Dorn, so he gets out somehow and goes, I gotta do stuff and things!@

Why does everyone think that's Dorn?!