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tneva82 wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:
Why shouldn't characters be plastics? It clearly is working well enough that they will keep making them.

You really enjoy paying that much money for characters that used to cost lot less before?

Don't like it? Don't buy the new character sculpt. Very few of the models being changed from metal/Finecast to plastic have radically different options to the point where you need to buy the character again.

Plastic for characters mean they will be priced up higher. If they were other metal they could be sold for less money with same profit for GW. You haven't thought why character prices have gone up way more than troop? Answer is plain simple: They went plastic.

Which character prices have gone up as significantly as you're insisting?

Eldrad Ulthran, right now, is $20.75 in Finecast. He's been that price since Finecast was a thing. Prior to that, he was probably $10-$15 USD.
The plastic Farseer model that came out awhile ago is $20.

Special characters have always been more expensive than generic characters.

(also plastic means reduced maximum detail quality. Characters if anybody benefits from maximum detail quality which GW threw away)

This is patently false. Plastic does not mean "reduced maximum detail quality" by any stretch of the imagination.

Are there technical limitations that necessitate shifts as to how the character might look? Sure. But the detail is generally good; unless it's just a bad sculpt to begin with.

Feiht has pictures!!!!!!!!! Cant link on my phone.

Ooohhhhhhhh shi-------

Huh, so it does. I'm quite surprised that the plastic Artemis is an almost direct copy of the classic 54mm one, I foresee people whining about it being a lazy move by GW.

http://natfka.blogspot.co.uk/2016/08/new-images-of-deathwatch-codex-and.html







Thanks Skullhammer!

Edit: Tiny tiny pics, get ya microscopes out.

Reported at :- http://natfka.blogspot.co.uk/2016/08/new-images-of-deathwatch-codex-and.html







PhilB

Bro that looks like a Necron sword. Bringing heresy all up in this codex.

there's an echo on this thread!!

I like that Artemis's pose is the same.

original 54mm for refernce:

 Kanluwen wrote:
Which character prices have gone up as significantly as you're insisting?

Like all? I know I didn't pay this much for any of characters 10 years ago. And the price has gone up way more than inflation. Reason: Plastic molds are expensive as hell. Since you don't sell as many character sprues as troop sprues you NEED to ask more per sprue than troops sprues. Plastic is good for mass producing crapload of sprues. Characters are dead opposite of that goal. Whereupon SM army can easily field 50+ tactical marines you don't see 50+ characters in it...

2006. Farseer 12$. Now 20$. Used to be even cheaper. And again don't bother claiming inflation. Inflation has NOT been 75% in 9 years.

This is patently false. Plastic does not mean "reduced maximum detail quality" by any stretch of the imagination.

Are there technical limitations that necessitate shifts as to how the character might look? Sure. But the detail is generally good; unless it's just a bad sculpt to begin with.

Lol you really have no idea of casting techniques. There's REASON why every high level models are resin. Why you think FW uses it? Different material requires different mold material which affects what you can do with it.

Chikout wrote:
I like that Artemis's pose is the same.

Apart from the cape. :(

Need a bigger pic of the Deathwatch grunts. Can't see a thing in that picture. That's the big question now-the contents of the upgrade sprue and the Deathwatch squad.

Am I misremembering, or wasn't this "prophecy" from like a 2E or 3E Eldar codex?

Holy crap, Xenos (inspired) weapons in the codex? Yes please. Also Assault Marines in the Death Masque box, hopefully that means we can use the two Assault Marine characters from Overkill a little bit better now.


Super excited for this!

Though its tiny those don't look like Sternguard bodies. Hoping it really is a new box.

Artemis is a terrible name for a guy. Why did they name him that?

I was hoping for at least a little bit more new stuff in this release beyond two characters and an upgrade sprue. Preferably some more new Eldar stuff. Looks like the only thing of interest for me here is Eldrad. I wouldn't be surprised to see a Start Collecting Ulthwe box in the near future with Eldrad and some Wraith stuff.

 Barzam wrote:
Artemis is a terrible name for a guy. Why did they name him that?

I was hoping for at least a little bit more new stuff in this release beyond two characters and an upgrade sprue. Preferably some more new Eldar stuff. Looks like the only thing of interest for me here is Eldrad. I wouldn't be surprised to see a Start Collecting Ulthwe box in the near future with Eldrad and some Wraith stuff.

Cas he's Ard te miss.....

It's a nice first week of releases, tiny pics but I like what I see

That and artemis was a god of hunting... Deathwatch are xenos hunters...

 angelofvengeance wrote:
That and artemis was a god of hunting... Deathwatch are xenos hunters...

God dess of hunting... and childbirth and virginity. Hardly the domain of the Deathwatch.

 angelofvengeance wrote:
That and artemis was a god of hunting... Deathwatch are xenos hunters...

Though I think his point was

Artemis was a goddess.

 Bulldogging wrote:
Though its tiny those don't look like Sternguard bodies. Hoping it really is a new box.

Indeed those legs dont have 20 pounds of robes on them at all.

 M0ff3l wrote:
Holy crap, Xenos (inspired) weapons in the codex? Yes please. Also Assault Marines in the Death Masque box, hopefully that means we can use the two Assault Marine characters from Overkill a little bit better now.


Super excited for this!

It's Vanguard Veterans actually. Some of the retailer info leaked earlier this week. It's a box of Vanguard Veterans, a Deathwatch Veteran set, Watch-Captain Artemis, a Venerable Dreadnought, and something called the "Deathwatch Upgrade Frame".

There are definitely some parts from the upgrade frame on the Vanguard Veterans. The box doesn't include any 2h weapons, nor does it include the giant tower shield that the one model is toting.

The Deathwatch Veterans are rocking a really cool backpack it seems. Looks like there is a targeting device, or something of that nature.

Sternguard have tabards, so it looks like they aren't just using Sternguard with an upgrade sprue.

 Kanluwen wrote:

 M0ff3l wrote:
Holy crap, Xenos (inspired) weapons in the codex? Yes please. Also Assault Marines in the Death Masque box, hopefully that means we can use the two Assault Marine characters from Overkill a little bit better now.


Super excited for this!

It's Vanguard Veterans actually. Some of the retailer info leaked earlier this week. It's a box of Vanguard Veterans, a Deathwatch Veteran set, Watch-Captain Artemis, a Venerable Dreadnought, and something called the "Deathwatch Upgrade Frame".

There are definitely some parts from the upgrade frame on the Vanguard Veterans. The box doesn't include any 2h weapons, nor does it include the giant tower shield that the one model is toting.

The Deathwatch Veterans are rocking a really cool backpack it seems. Looks like there is a targeting device, or something of that nature.

Assault Marines, Vanguard Veterans, whatever makes the 2 characters from Overkill more viable is great in my book.

Requizen wrote:

 angelofvengeance wrote:
That and artemis was a god of hunting... Deathwatch are xenos hunters...

Though I think his point was

Artemis was a goddess.

Sure, Artemis is commonly used as a girl's name, but boys can be called that too.

Anywho... has anyone seen the Regimental Standard post on Facebook re Eldar?

https://regimental-standard.com/2016/08/03/lies-damn-lies-and-the-eldar/

 angelofvengeance wrote:

Requizen wrote:

 angelofvengeance wrote:
That and artemis was a god of hunting... Deathwatch are xenos hunters...

Though I think his point was

Artemis was a goddess.

Sure, Artemis is commonly used as a girl's name, but boys can be called that too.

Actually, Artemis is more commonly a boys name now. It is basically the reverse of names lIke Ashley, Lindsay, Kelsey, Kim/Kimberly, etc. All of those names are boys names that became girls names.

I take it the detractors haven't heard of Artemis Fowl or Artemis Enteri.

As for the set itself, it looks pretty awesome. I like the Artemis figure. It looks like he traded his regular old Bolter in for a Combi-Flamer.

Damnit GW...why must you drain my wallet with all this cool stuff !

 casvalremdeikun wrote:

Actually, Artemis is more commonly a boys name now. It is basically the reverse of names lIke Ashley, Lindsay, Kelsey, Kim/Kimberly, etc. All of those names are boys names that became girls names.

I take it the detractors haven't heard of Artemis Fowl or Artemis Enteri.

I haven't either, but I'm perfectly fine with the name.

 casvalremdeikun wrote:
As for the set itself, it looks pretty awesome. I like the Artemis figure. It looks like he traded his regular old Bolter in for a Combi-Flamer.

Yep. Eldar witches need that extra purging, you see.

 General Kroll wrote:
Damnit GW...why must you drain my wallet with all this cool stuff !

Agreed. I have a Tactical Squad, a Vanguard Veteran Squad, and a Venerable Dreadnought that are all patiently waiting for the Deathwatch Upgrade Sprue so they can join their Deathwatch:Overkill brothers. Seriously, this is going to be awesome.