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2016/07/26 03:17:37
Subject: Re:[KS] Secret Weapon Miniatures : Tablescapes Dungeons : Mines : Starts July 25th : $75 Starter Set
mercpancake wrote: It is also slow to fund because of reaper being involved. This stuff is going to show up in the normal low quality that reaper bones is know for. Reapers bones quality is terrible and WAY below Sercets very high standard of quality that Justin has built over the years. Why he is working with reaper is beyond me other then he had very few options. Was hard plastic an option early in devolpement? Which is a total shame.
I would have pledged without thought if they where hard plastic.
I dumped in the plastic tables kickstarter and got two 4x6 sets. Really not sure I will be doing this even though I really need dungeon terrain for at least half a dozen games I play. I do really like what I see as far as design. None for this cramped dungeon space that can not fit two figures side by side and crazy prices.
I just do not think $75 is worth the gamble. Those pieces will all be warped and need fixed if that is even possible. I have thrown away all 4 of the bones minis I bought as I was unable to fix them or get the bases to be flat in any way shape or form.
I dunno.
Disappointed. I have been waiting to see what secret weapon was going to do next.
Bones works great for bigger pieces, the bulk adds stability and prevents warping. All the giants, golems, dragons etc I have are great. In particular, the tower from "Dragons Don't Share" shows that can be done with the material on a larger scale. I have a feeling you're speaking from inexperience on how it works on bigger pieces.
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2016/07/26 03:23:14
Subject: Re:[KS] Secret Weapon Miniatures : Tablescapes Dungeons : Mines : Starts July 25th : $75 Starter Set
Bones is also kid proof. It's also clumsy lummox proof. We won't mention how many times I've dropped stuff in the process of painting, only for it to shatter into a million pieces.
It is definitely not a suitable presentation material for Crystal Brush awards, no. But for gaming/ playing/ painting/ getting a nice spread of terrain for a reasonable price? Sure.
Poorly lit photos of my ever- growing collection of completely unrelated models!
Should work just fine for MD. Each MD square is a 4x4 tile. You can either paint the "light" tiles a different color from the "dark" tiles, or use tiles from a different game tile set (eg. SWM's Malice RPG or Dwarven Forge) for the "light" (or "dark") tiles, or toss some terrain or furniture mini's for the "light" tiles or something.
Lemme know if you need a pic so you know what I'm rambling about.
...and core walls unlocked!
Next unlock at 35K!
42 pieces in base set
22 in core walls
64 total already!
ObPic for anyone who doesn't want to go back a page:
Spoiler:
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So.. are these add-ons like that wall set being added into the core box set, like for retail at the end? or are they going to be something that's packaged and sold separately? I'd love to be able to add on a couple packs of extra mine cart tracks in the end
2016/07/26 14:39:18
Subject: [KS] Secret Weapon Miniatures : Tablescapes Dungeons : Mines : Starts July 25th : $75 Starter Set
@ Necros -- you will be able to add any of the unlocked individual sets during the campaign, and after. The Starter Set will go to retail, but what we're calling the Core Set for the campaign, with all of the free additions, is a campaign exclusive.
@ ced1106 -- thanks for posting that!!!
@ Bossk_Hogg -- Well said!
@ highlord -- well, I do think Jim Wappel did win a couple of Crystal Brush awards with Bones models, but those would be larger items like the Giantess. Also, you know, Wappel
You'd need to stick with 2" passageways for larger models, but you could absolutely run Zone Mortalis in a Mine setting.
Automatically Appended Next Post: Folks have been asking about the Core Set once the first four goals are unlocked -- and since a picture is worth a thousand words I went and made a video. Those are worth ONE MEEEELEON words
You'll find it at the top of the campaign page, just under the big layout picture and "What are..." text.
This shows everything that will be included in the $75 Core Set Pledge once we unlock the first four stretch goals...
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So I'll go ahead and share the plans up to $100,000 - at $20,000 we unlocked the Core Set. At $35,000 we unlocked the Core Walls, which not only added 22 more wall pieces to every core, but also unlocked the ability to buy *just* the Core Walls (or extra copies added to your Core). At $55,000 we're unlocking the Core Passageways Set, which will add 12 Passageway (1" wide) floor tiles to every core Set (bringing the core up to 24 passageway tiles total, and also unlocking the ability to buy just the passageways, or extra passageways if you already have some. At $75,000 we're adding the Core Floors Set, which will add 2 more 4x4 floors, 2 more 2x2 floors, and 2 more quarter circle floors to every core (6 total pieces), and like the previous two, unlock the ability to buy just the Floors Set. And then at $100,000, the plan is to unlock the Core Doors Set (no pun intended), which is slightly different from the others. Right now the Core Set has 2 doors and 1 "Mine entrance" tile which is 1x4". The Doors Set adds not 2, but 4 additional doors - 2 of each type (Sculpt A, Sculpt B). Bringing the total number of doors up not to 5 but to 7. Note that the Doors Set does NOT include the Mine Entrance Tile. The doors set also unlocks the ability to buy 4 doors as an add-on.
This means at $100,000, the Core set will feature 86 total pieces, compared to 42 pieces when we hit funding goal yesterday - slightly more than doubling your initial value.
Then, at $115,000, we start showing new things that are not currently part of the core... And believe me we have so many fun features to showcase, including more parts to add in to the Core! But i'm not really supposed to talk about them... mine tracks, bridges, monster lairs... you know, secret stuff...
@Misterjustin: Could you upload a Youtube version of the KS video so I can embed them in forum posts? Or what's the code to embed it in BBCode posts? Thanks!
ObPic: Here's what you get once we hit the 55K SG! Already at 40K!
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This second one, for the Core Set stretch goals, is unlisted on YouTube because we're going to give it a bit of polish.
Let me know if there's anything in particular you'd like to see, and I'll do my best to get into the studio and take some pictures.
Oh yes -- there will be monster lairs. Lots of awesome monster lairs... and since I'm working with Reaper Miniatures there will also be options to populate those monster lairs
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we're using Pantone 430C as our product color. It is a very dark grey.
@ Jonathan -- there is detail, and texture, on the top of the walls. We've left Reaper HQ for the night, but I'm already planning to get some detail photos (and video) tomorrow (Wednesday) morning. There are no plain surfaces in the set -- even the big 4x6" Stacker, which MUST be flat so you can put things on top of it, is covered in a beautiful web of cracks, and pickaxe marks.
@ Manchu -- That's fantastic work! Thanks for backing the current project too. I've had some Forgotten City tiles shipped to Reaper HQ so I can show them off WITH THE DUNGEON TILES as well
@ ironicsilence -- Thank you very much!
@ced1106 -- Thank you for the cross-posting. Much appreciated. I do my best to keep up, but...
A quick clarification -- Thomas doesn't QUITE fit on the tracks. The train wheels and the tracks are the same width -- but if you pop off the wheels that center block will fit inside the tracks in the same way that our stock mine cart does
Reaper Byran and I are also queuing up some stretch goal previews to properly show off the expansion sets.
Based on the previous comments about starter sets, I figured I'd put this here. Good comparison as it shows the amazing level of detail. This is like a quality model vs. a kids toy you had when you were 10. And of course this photo doesn't include the unlocks that have already started to arrive and make the Tablescapes set oh so much bigger. To be fair, the dwarven forge set in their photo isn't painted, but the differences in quality and detail are pretty obvious.
You should definitely be comparing it to the dwarven forge Caverns sets, including the stretch goals, rather than the dungeon / castle set (which somewhat inherently can't have as much detail as either the DF or SW carvern-type sets).
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It differs for different backers. Some can afford to spend thousands of dollars on game tiles, and, if you can spend that much money, go for what you can get. I know backers who buy ten or more sets of DF at a time, easily plunking down over $1500 on a DF KS. That much money for game tiles is *way* out my monthly gaming budget, considering that I also spend it on miniatures, boardgames, snacks, etc..Also, of course, DF is no longer running their various KS, so if you're buying game tiles *today*, you have to compare DF's retail prices vs. SWM's KS prices. Of course, in three weeks, you'll have to pay "late backer" prices for the SWM tiles, and, in three months even higher.
Okay, finally some add-ons from today's update, for the $5 add-on level!
I was wondering about some of the crazy high DF pledges, I was assuming a lot of times it was gaming groups going in together for one huge pledge
I think DF just decided to pursue the whale market on backers and ditch the rest of us on their last 2 campaigns. Most of their stretch goals were more stuff to buy, rather than actually adding appreciable value through piece repetition. It was a rich guy's game, with light up pieces and motorized drawbridges ratcheting up costs. The break away walls seemed more designed as a toy than a gaming aid for dungeon masters. Which I guess is their right. It just kind of sucks when you realize you've been ditched as a target customer. $40 for a 4"x4" building is when I noped out. I can get a tabletop world piece for about that!
To celebrate the unlocking of the mine cart add-on (and to remind you to get a second set for the bad guys), here's the Indian Jones Temple of Doom minecart chase set to Mario64 music.
BANJOS FOR EVERYONE. Small child nearly torn in half over lava pit not included.
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So I finally have a few seconds to jump in here and say hello.... and THANK YOU FOR THE INDIANA JONES VIDEO!
That laugh did me a lot of good
Many thanks for keeping the news up here. I always try to make it back, but these things are just crazy bonkers.
I am also very glad that we could move the tracks up. It meant shuffling a few other things, but it's totally worth it... even if there's a late night graphics scramble happening now to update all of the showcase, and target images.
The Troll Hole is a fun piece -- and that doorway make a wonderful addition to a diorama style base as well. I'm hoping to be able to offer that (and a few other small pieces) as stand-alone products. Not sure yet, but it's too cool not to try.
I'm going to need that stone pillar, the risers, and the bridges. I also hope we get to the traps.
I know the prices are a steal but this is going to take a massive bite out of my kickstarter budget. It's so tempting to go overboard with this. If Secret Weapon uses the Bones 3 model of allowing backers to add to their pledge for a few months after the campaign ends it's going to be brutal.
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