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G'day,

Just getting into 30k, and picked Alpha legion for my army. To avoid my ridiculous problem of just buying one of everything, I figured I would try to come up with a decent 2k list first, build and paint that, and then expand from there.

Ideally, I'd like some room for the list to grow up to 2,500 or 3k points without too many wasted selections.

I have come up with the following so far:

HQ:
- Autilon Skorr
RoW: Pride of the Legion

Elites
- Legion Contemptor Dreadnought Talon
2 Contemptors with Plasma cannons

Troops
- Legion Veteran Tactical Squad
10 man, Two Heavy Bolters, Sergeant with Artificer armour, Powerfist and power dagger

- Legion Veteran Tactical Squad
10 man, Two Heavy Bolters, Sergeant with Artificer armour, Powerfist and power dagger

- Lernaen Terminator Squad
5 man, Harrower with Chain fist, power dagger, and Venom Harness

Fast Attack

Heavy Support
- Leviathan Siege Dreadnought Talon (1 Dread)
Gravflux Bombard, Siege claw

Total: 1515 points (So plenty of wiggle room)

My plan was basically to use 'Master of Ambush' to have the Vets, Termies, and Skorr Infiltrate, whilst the dreads provide fire support. I have definitely been considering transports for everything (rhinos for vets, drop pods for dreads); however it just seems to wrack up points quick and seems to be an easy way to lose VP to Martial Hubris. I have also been considering including a Xiphon Interceptor

Any suggestions on where to spend the remaining points/tweaks is much appreciated.

Looks good. Transports would be a good ideas it will help with survivability for your units and will help get them to where they need to be. Infiltrate/Scout/Outflank can only get you so close. It's also good for if you wish to later move on to the pride of the legion rite of war as all your infantry need outflank, ds or a transport. You may also consider dynat at some point since he can give one unit of infantry ds. They don't have to use it, they just need access to it. The important thing with alpha legion is to remain flexible. Never do the same thing two games in a row and once you have enough models, don't even take the same list two games in a row if you can help it. Even changing your mutable tactics can help keep your opponent guessing.

 snykyninja wrote:
Looks good. Transports would be a good ideas it will help with survivability for your units and will help get them to where they need to be. Infiltrate/Scout/Outflank can only get you so close. It's also good for if you wish to later move on to the pride of the legion rite of war as all your infantry need outflank, ds or a transport. You may also consider dynat at some point since he can give one unit of infantry ds. They don't have to use it, they just need access to it. The important thing with alpha legion is to remain flexible. Never do the same thing two games in a row and once you have enough models, don't even take the same list two games in a row if you can help it. Even changing your mutable tactics can help keep your opponent guessing.

Thanks for the advice man. I have Dynat waiting in the wings, but figured I'd start with skorr seeing as he is a more simple force multiplier.

Any suggestions on the remaining points out of the 2k?

giveveterans rhino. It offers extra protection, and you ain't gonna charge 1st turn anyway in order to be on foot.
Don't bother with HB on them, rather give them either combi weapons or melta/plasmagun
give levithian dredo pod, otherwise he won't do much with 18'' rnage footsloging across table.
I am not really impressed with laerns, with difference in points compared to normal terminators, I usually just take normal termis(with few powerfists) and chaplain!
Get 3 rapier/thud gunns. Really great for point cost.
Get some AT! If you wanna buff points, you can take more terminators+ give them spartan. -> it also infiltrates with them if you want.
Alpharious works nice in 2,5k. If I remember well, you can have him+veterans as troops. Stick alpharius with terminators in spartan, and you also get scout move with it.
Contemptors with plasma cannon, I am not sure. You will usually just hit 1,max 2 guys with it. Add cover saves on top of that, it really isn't worth it.
Javelins got boost, you might consider them.

Dont change your list but add a decent flyer such as the xiphon and maybe a land raider proteus for the termies,
Keep pride of the legion and use the new marksman veteran tactics for you vets it gives them sniper and outflank then use counter attack for your mutable tactics.

 King Amroth wrote:
Dont change your list but add a decent flyer such as the xiphon and maybe a land raider proteus for the termies,
Keep pride of the legion and use the new marksman veteran tactics for you vets it gives them sniper and outflank then use counter attack for your mutable tactics.

This. Adding a flyer will be great to deal with enemy flyers, as well as providing you with some AT. The terminators really do need a land raider as you can still scout, infiltrate or outflank but it give you more mobility and durability. Outflanking the vets works well, especially at lower points levels. But rhinos will be a good idea at higher levels and as you expand your army to allow for different list styles and rites of war. If at any point you get alpharius, consider making regular use of his one of many special rule. You can change which unit you hide him in each game which will keep your opponent from getting too comfortable. Also, if you're any good at slight of hand you can have multiple notes ready and show your opponent only the one which is most suitable to the current situation (Of course I would never condone cheating, just something to think about).

while they are better in AL lists, I still stand by vet. tactical squads being one of the worst units to use as the 'core' of your army: Still to costly, to flimsy, and the punishements of PotL make them a little bit worse :(

IF you wanted to stick with it, add rhinos, and some support so they (hopefully) don't drop like flies (Apothecaries, librarians, or anything else to make them more durable). At least, that's my 2 cents.

I agree that POTL isnt so good generally, however it and the recon ROW are amazing for AL and the mix of special rules vets get added to mutable tactics are fantastic. The changes to vet tactics and the points decrease has only helped them.

Thanks for all the advice guys, I actually finished tweaking the list a bit this morning and ended up with this for 2k points.

HQ:
- Autilon Skorr
RoW: Pride of the Legion

Elites
- Legion Contemptor Dreadnought Talon
1 Contemptors with Plasma cannons

Troops
- Legion Veteran Tactical Squad
10 man, Two Missile Launchers, Vexilla, Sergeant with Artificer armour, Powerfist and power dagger
Rhino

- Legion Veteran Tactical Squad
10 man, Two Missile Launchers, Vexilla, Sergeant with Artificer armour, Powerfist and power dagger
Rhino

- Legion Tactical Squad
Sergeant, and 18 marines

Fast Attack
- Legion Jetbike Sky Hunter Squadron
Sergeant with Powerfist/Power dagger, 5 bikers 2 multi meltas

-Xiphon Interceptor

Heavy Support
- Leviathan Siege Dreadnought Talon (1 Dread)
Gravflux Bombard, Siege claw
Dreadnought Drop pod

Total: 2000

I am pretty happy with it, and think it will play okay without being min/maxed, whilst sticking the fluff a bit of attacking from lots of directions.

I swapped the Heavy Bolters on the Vets for missile launchers, because sniper frag missiles are hilarious. Vets also got rhinos. Dropped the terminators for now, as I didn't really feel they had a place and getting a spartan in was too costly at 2k I thought (they will make a return, probably when FW actually do model for them). Xiphon interceptor went in, and the Leviathan dread got his pod. I also snuck in a 6 man jetbike squad and a tactical squad for some bodies/a home objective sitter. Lastly, I know the Contemptor isn't great, but I am just a sucker for dreads so he sneaks in.

Going up to 3k, I'll probably go with a max/near max Lernean terminator squad with a Spartan and Alpharius in, remove the tactical squad and dread and throw in a Sicarian Venator and something else.

Winter wrote:
Lastly, I know the Contemptor isn't great, but I am just a sucker for dreads so he sneaks in.

I personally have never seen a problem with the contemptor, although is it using duel plasma or just one? Cause if it's using two then consider a contemptor mortis. Also, this is 30k; you shouldn't have to worry about using the optimal units, the important thing is to make a fluffy and themed army with models you like.

Those 18 marines ain't gonna do nothing. My experiance with tacticals, even AL ones, was not so great. IF you want big squad, investing in medic is not bad option. Also, having pf+pd on sargent with AA is nice to give them a bit edge in battle. But all in all, they don't accomplish much. Fury of the legion looks good on paper, but ismply doesn't work in games. You will usually get charged before you can use it. On the other hand, 18 bolter shots simply don't do much, you are mostly cannon fodder that camps on objective, in which case you might as well take 10 guys with rhino.

Tacticals are nice and fluffy, but in enviorment with deadly blasts, tanks,so much stuff that is just designed to kill marines, yet having very little power themself to hurt anything. They mostly just sit and wait to die. Probably get ignored while your dangerous stuff is dealt with, then get killed themself.

ALso, I would rather have meltagun/plasmagun on veterans. Krak is still just S8 AP3, won't kill any armor tbh. and investing so many points to kill marine is also meh. You don't threat dangerous stuff with 2+. With meltagun/combi melta you can kill most tanks, unless they haveceramite, which mostly only spartan/LOW have. And with plasma guns, 4 ap2 shots agains terminators and stuff, paired with sniper is quite dangerous.

I haven't tryed jetbikes myself, but if yo uplan go tank hunting , you are wasting all those HB shots, and if you go troop hunting, MM is not THAT good compared to other options.
While on other hand, javelins for less cost wil do better tank hunting. YOu will get 3 if I am not mistaken for cost of your squad. ANd they bring BS5 3 MM, 3 TL lascannon and 6 HKM to the table. Not bad for 255 pts.