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I have been trying to make an army for my Stormcast Eternals. I could never get around to figure a paint scheme for them because I didn't want them to be gold. Well since I can't figure out what colour I did make some into gold to just get started painting because I put off the project long enough. Thing is now I am reading the Generals Handbook and now I can't make my army with points.

The rule says something like, you have to be in the same Alliance when choosing points. So does that mean now I can't use my Stormcast Eternals with my Chaos guys when playing with points? I know the other two methods of play I can but it seems with points I can't.

Am I missing something, or I can't play the army I want to make now?

No you can't. Unless your house-rule it with your opponent.

What's your theme for Stormcast and Chaos fighting side by side? Are they fallen Stormcast?

 Bottle wrote:
No you can't. Unless your house-rule it with your opponent.

What's your theme for Stormcast and Chaos fighting side by side? Are they fallen Stormcast?

What Bottle says, in a pure Matched battle you must stay within the GA. It's a shame, they could have easily just made it so that you dont get any allegiance bonus by not staying within GA.

 Bottle wrote:
No you can't. Unless your house-rule it with your opponent.

What's your theme for Stormcast and Chaos fighting side by side? Are they fallen Stormcast?

Yes my Stormcast Eternals find out the truth about the Coward of Sigmar the False god. When they were abducted, they were fighting to protect their loved ones, their tribes. When an even happens (I think it was you who said Nagash did something) they reclaim some of their memories and find out their loved ones who they were protecting in battle perished. Some were murdered, other tribes were totally slaughtered and those who lived were taken as slaves and or tortured. If Sigmar never abducted them the families/tribes would have lived or they would have perished with their loved ones in what ever after life they believed in. Sigmar robbed them of this honour.

So they rebelled against The Coward and now since time has gone by, they are out of place and out of time and only have revenge on their mind. While they will still fight the forces of Chaos, their hatred for Sigmar is even more powerful. Some of them found their "lost tribes" and have gone back to protect them. For me, I use the minis of Chaos as human tribes. While they might be faction Chaos, they don't follow the Chaos gods and want nothing to do with them. I just love the minis. So The Stormcast will fight amongst their brethren now and try to protect those who live in the Mortal Planes and when there is a change to get revenge on The Coward False god, they will do so.

Some Stormcasts will have Tyranid Gargoyle wings on them to symbolize what they would do to make Sigmar so upset that they would even take on Chaos powers to defeat him. If the armour and Stormcast is suppose to be what Sigmar finds so pure, so excellent, by corrupting what he finds so pure so excellent is to make it sacrilege. While some of the Stormcasts find no pleasure in this, they do it to hurt Sigmar emotionally when they can't do it physically. Emotional harm is always done while physical harm can be undone by getting new recruits. They don't even change their colours or markings so this way other people in the mortal realms will think of sigmar as evil and not follow his ways.

TL;DR

Yeah Fallen Stormcasts.

Well it's true Nagash would know a decent bit about sigmar's "necromancy", or is this like golemancy as the souls are being bound to constructs instead of just revived. It sucks though, but then again matched isn't designed for narrative things like this. I wouldn't have a problem with it at least anyway.

Well if you talk it out with your opponent I'm sure they'll be fine with it, as long as you pay appropriate points for the models and don't take alliance bonuses. Just don't expect the same treatment if you want to go to tournaments. Friendly games? I'd be fine with it.

If you're still thinking of a colour scheme, you could try to make them look like the Slaves to Darkness or Everchosen colours. They'd look pretty sweet.

I think you'd also be in rocky ground using their deep strike abilities and the lanterns on the Castellant/Azyros or the Relictor as these are direct 'boons' from Sigmar; he actually provides the juice to do it, so I don't think that renegades would benefit.

RoperPG wrote:
I think you'd also be in rocky ground using their deep strike abilities and the lanterns on the Castellant/Azyros or the Relictor as these are direct 'boons' from Sigmar; he actually provides the juice to do it, so I don't think that renegades would benefit.

I don't see how the Chaos Gods couldn't provide the same kind of juice.

 WarbossDakka wrote:

RoperPG wrote:
I think you'd also be in rocky ground using their deep strike abilities and the lanterns on the Castellant/Azyros or the Relictor as these are direct 'boons' from Sigmar; he actually provides the juice to do it, so I don't think that renegades would benefit.

I don't see how the Chaos Gods couldn't provide the same kind of juice.

They've never really done direct intervention. As we're only talking situations where opponents permission needed, I just think it jars a bit is all.
No problem with the concept of renegade Stormcast, but Sigmar being directly involved in certain aspects of their work means stuff has to change; I.e. what happens when they die? Sigmar will either burn it out of them or not rez them at all.
Like with 40K, and traitor chapters not really having any access to geneseed tech.

If you are entering a tournament you probably won't be able to do that list unless you can do an effective proxy. So you could have a unit of chaos warriors using liberators rules for example. I think wysiwyg would be a problem depending how you armed your minis.
If you are just playing randomly then talk to your opponent. Agree to give up allegiance abilites in exchange for using a mixed army. Most people would be happy with that I think.

Correct me if I am wrong but I do not believe you have to actually choose an allegiance, I read it as optional.

As with everything in the book it is written very much as play it as you will. Of course you need the other guy to agree to play as you will as well.

Matched play as written does not require you have everything from one allegiance. Pitched battle does (but agreement between players always wins of course). Points are clearly stated as you can use them outside of all the other restrictions (allegiance, battleline etc). Allegiance abilities fall out as their own thing as well, take or leave it as you will.

 Swabby wrote:
Correct me if I am wrong but I do not believe you have to actually choose an allegiance, I read it as optional.

You may only have units from one Grand Alliance though, so even without an allegiance it would still be the wrong alliance

EDIT: In matched play that is.

 Swabby wrote:
Correct me if I am wrong but I do not believe you have to actually choose an allegiance, I read it as optional.

Page 106 states that all units from one army must be from the same Grand Alliance in Matched Play.

 Bottle wrote:

 Swabby wrote:
Correct me if I am wrong but I do not believe you have to actually choose an allegiance, I read it as optional.

Page 106 states that all units from one army must be from the same Grand Alliance in Matched Play.

Being pedantic, but that is Pitched battle only (p106 is rules for Pitched battles), not all matched play. Pitched battles being only 1 part of the Matched play part of the book.

puree wrote:

 Bottle wrote:

 Swabby wrote:
Correct me if I am wrong but I do not believe you have to actually choose an allegiance, I read it as optional.

Page 106 states that all units from one army must be from the same Grand Alliance in Matched Play.

Being pedantic, but that is Pitched battle only (p106 is rules for Pitched battles), not all matched play. Pitched battles being only 1 part of the Matched play part of the book.

Yes somewhat pedantic the pitched battle rules contains everything we consider "matched play", the points system is called "Pitched Battle Profiles" etc etc. Yes, technically you could play a ladder campaign without the pitched battle rules, page 128 also has "points only games" where you ignore the restrictions of pitched battles but use the points values and page 109 also has my favourite bit on House rules which lets you override any of this. But saying that the alliance restriction only applies to pitched battles, well, so the does then the reinforcement (summoning) rules, the battlefield roles and the "Rules of One". Pitched battles make up about 90% of the Matched Play section

Some good news. 2 people want to start playing AoS where we play 40K. One person said he had no problems with this. He just said I can't use any bonuses that I would have gotten if I went with on Alliance.

Not sure if he is doing it so I can play what I want, or he misread the rules and thinks it's legal to do so.

That said, this gives me motivation to paint my army now. Damn just wish I could paint faster now. Takes me almost 4-6 hours with no basing to do one mini. Argh.

Thanks for all the help everyone I greatly appreciate this.

You could also just run them as Bloodbound, or (iirc) Everchosen (whatever Chaos Warriors now fall under). There should be plenty of analogs that work as big, armored, fallen, punchy-guys, if you do decide to run something more formal.

It is totally legal to mix grand alliance units except for pitched battle games. Don't let one game mode ruin your experience.

 Swabby wrote:
It is totally legal to mix grand alliance units except for pitched battle games. Don't let one game mode ruin your experience.

I am not. My painting is ruining my experience right now.