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Hello everyone, last time I was here I got some terrific information and answers that really inspired me. I've been going in-depth on my many Sister Orders Militant and Non-Militant since then. So, I feel this is probably the right place to come to again for inspiration and lore accurate information.

I need help creating a Dark Eldar Kabal that originated from an incredibly rare collection of Exodite Eldar worlds. The premise is an Imperial Expansion into the Edith Sector, a newly found sector carrying immense mineral wealth of all kinds. Exodites have fought valiantly and won numerous times, that is, until the Space Marines of the Glacial Warriors arrive. However, before the Exodites have begun dabbling in darker practices similar to Dark Eldar. Where technology is where there isn't many vehicles and numerous Wrecks. Imperial technology is stolen to be malformed using the previously processed resources to form their own technology. Shortly after the emergence of the Space Marines, the Exodites brand themselves Dark Eldar.

Does that make sense? I feel there are one too many issues with my idea and would love some lore experts to poke holes and give me your own suggestions.

Two points: Why would Exodites call themselves DEldar? They left the core worlds because they were repulsed by their kin's depravity iirc.

Also the IOM has a pretty good map of the Galaxy. I like the new sector idea, but you'll need a reason for why the IOM hasn't picked up on it yet.

 Selym wrote:
Two points: Why would Exodites call themselves DEldar? They left the core worlds because they were repulsed by their kin's depravity iirc.

Also the IOM has a pretty good map of the Galaxy. I like the new sector idea, but you'll need a reason for why the IOM hasn't picked up on it yet.

Well, I was ditching the declaration of Dark Eldar and being consider Dark Eldar by the Imperium. However, there is the idea of an aspiring deviant who takes advantage of their desperate situation and later creates his own Kabal... Though, that's questionable in itself.

From my understanding Imperial Records are still being processed through the Administorum. The idea is this previously scarcely populated sector hasn't paid it's tithes in thousands of years. The Fleet manning the sector never returned after being called away for war. What was originally a mission to collect tithes turns into a mass exploratory venture into a mostly uninhabited sector... Is that a good enough reason or do I sound like I'm talking out my ass? Hehe

They could be dubbed "raider" eldar, if they use such strategies. Calling them DE is a stretch, though. Ask your group if you can proxy them as DE? I don't think anyone is going to turn that down, as they're fairly weak now. Recommended reading: http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Eldar_Corsair#Outcasts_and_Pirates

How about we do something a little more daring? Perhaps the exodites were being driven back by the Imperial on all fronts until a mysterious stranger of regal bearing and predatory eyes popped out of their webway. Being charismatic and charming he managed to worm his way into helping the Exodites fight back. Turns out he has a small ship in real space with a small following but the stranger says after a betrayal he cannot return home. Using his knowledge of the Mon'Keigh from ''former dealings'' the stranger leads the war council in where to deplou, gifting each important exodite chief one of his very own lieutenants to co-ordinate the battle.

Using the outcast Archon's battle tactics, they beat back the invaders but at a cost. Each and every important (rival) exodite chiefs died in the fighting, in the aftermath the Archon places himself in the public eye and manages to unite the exodites under him to help them achieve vengeance on the Mon'keigh. Slowly but surely the Archon is subverting the exodite culture to be more to his tastes, with blood sports and tech advancements, and he works towards his secret aim to raise an Exodite army with which he could retake the Commarite Kabal he was usurped from.

I don't think Dark Eldar are a good fit for this, Corsairs might work better.

 ALEXisAWESOME wrote:
How about we do something a little more daring? Perhaps the exodites were being driven back by the Imperial on all fronts until a mysterious stranger of regal bearing and predatory eyes popped out of their webway. Being charismatic and charming he managed to worm his way into helping the Exodites fight back. Turns out he has a small ship in real space with a small following but the stranger says after a betrayal he cannot return home. Using his knowledge of the Mon'Keigh from ''former dealings'' the stranger leads the war council in where to deplou, gifting each important exodite chief one of his very own lieutenants to co-ordinate the battle.

Using the outcast Archon's battle tactics, they beat back the invaders but at a cost. Each and every important (rival) exodite chiefs died in the fighting, in the aftermath the Archon places himself in the public eye and manages to unite the exodites under him to help them achieve vengeance on the Mon'keigh. Slowly but surely the Archon is subverting the exodite culture to be more to his tastes, with blood sports and tech advancements, and he works towards his secret aim to raise an Exodite army with which he could retake the Commarite Kabal he was usurped from.

I really like this idea. An outcast Archon who had to flee for his life initiating some unsuspecting Exodites into DE ways and using them for his own ends seems very in character, and far more likely than a group of Exodites just stumbling upon Dark Eldar methods all by themselves.

As for the question of why the sector was undiscovered that was previously asked, that's easy to answer. Just say warp storms made it inaccessible by Imperium space travel until just recently when the storms dissipated. Happens all the time.

 fallinq wrote:

Ain't complaining here, it's a great idea that I'm hopping all over. And it does sound a lot more likely, that isn't being argued. Even I was having doubts with the idea, so I came here and it's working out beautifully.

Warp Storms is the usual answer but I'm afraid of coming off lazy if I use that reason. It's incredibly reasonable within the universe I just try to avoid the usual to explore other methods... Buuuuut that might be the best reason out there. I'll probably just go with it, to be honest... Thanks, by the way.

 ALEXisAWESOME wrote:

That's actually a pretty brilliant idea. I was going to use desperation for the Exodite's and Cosairs eventual degradation into DE methodology but a scheming Archeon sounds more plausible for the real conspirator. The idea was creating a 'mini campaign' against various Exodite tribes that evolves into an actual war, mind you not in their favor, until they eventually turning to darker methods to win.

What I'm thinking with your idea is the new Archeon abuses this desperation for his own malicious schemes. He/She will purposely plot different defeats so Exodite numbers dwindle. In the wake of these defeats, what remains of this Kabal gather what remains. Exodite technology, surviving Eldar and Humans on the way. All this will help sift out potential traitors while establishing their own presence behind the veil of war. A Kabal would eventually rise as mere pirates in the wake of the wars final conclusion forever a thorn in the Imperium's side.

Sound good to you?

Edit: I'd rather get your go-to before I start putting anything anything solid down since you've gave me the idea.

Yeah, that's exactly what I had in mind. It's what I was inferring when I suggested the Archon gave the chiefs his own lieutenants to ensure they didn't survive the battles. It's very similar to how Vect took charge. Weeding out opposition to his new plan.

My only suggestion would be to work on the Archons end game plan. Dark Eldar are supremacists and an Archon would never be happy on a backwards exodite world.he'd be using the exodites as a means too an end, to get his kabal back or return to Commarragh. And you could also play on the fact he has to live on suffering, so he could secretly abduct rivals and torture them.

Anyway, evolve the idea however you like, I just like the idea of an Archon manipulating desperate exodites to his own ends.

 ALEXisAWESOME wrote:
Yeah, that's exactly what I had in mind. It's what I was inferring when I suggested the Archon gave the chiefs his own lieutenants to ensure they didn't survive the battles. It's very similar to how Vect took charge. Weeding out opposition to his new plan.

My only suggestion would be to work on the Archons end game plan. Dark Eldar are supremacists and an Archon would never be happy on a backwards exodite world.he'd be using the exodites as a means too an end, to get his kabal back or return to Commarragh. And you could also play on the fact he has to live on suffering, so he could secretly abduct rivals and torture them.

Anyway, evolve the idea however you like, I just like the idea of an Archon manipulating desperate exodites to his own ends.

Me and you, we're on the same page here, you know that? The end game was an eventual return to Commarragh after amassing an imposing force using slaves, hidden cloning facilities, and torturing whoever cause... Reasons.

I'm going to start laying the foundation for the Kabal, Archon, Covens, and the poor Exodites used and abused like no bodies business. Hehe

When I'm done I'll be sure to send you what I've got... If you want, that is.

Thanks again for helping me.

There's a perfectly good reason for this region of space being unexplored, space is fething huge and in only 20 000 years or so of space faring technology there was no chance of mankind xploring everything, hell even the Eldar might not of explored everything and they had millions of years to do so.

So far your fluffs beginning to come along nicely, as far as the table top goes it might be a good idea to run an allied force of Dark Eldar and Corsairs, with the DE representing the core of the Kabal and the Corsairs the corrupted Exodites.

That's what I was originally thinking. How could the Imperium of Man actually keep track or know the entirety of their own 'claimed' space region? Even so, if they do by chance know it I'd rather get further information before I settle on that finer detail within the region.

You're probably right on that one. It'd be wiser to done play the Exodite presence and fill it with Corsairs and DE, instead. From what I read, most Imperials see all Eldar as the same, except for Astartes, Inquisition, and other privileged few but I could be wrong... I read it on the Warhammer 40K Wiki. ( I prefer it since it has more detailed information. )