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I'd like to know if I understand this correctly...

If I have a CAD, I can then take an allied detachment of a different faction. Would I be able to take a third allied detachment of a different faction to the other two? And then possibly a fourth, if it went with the fluff of a certain faction?

For example;

Detachment 1 - CAD (Tau Empire)
Detachment 2 - Allied Detachment (Farsight Enclave)
Detachment 3 - Allied Detachment (Eldar Craftworlds)
Detachment 4 - Allied Detachment (Harlequins)

Would this be legal in a game?

Yep, fully legal

The only issue, is in your example, you would have to have a Tau Warlord. As such you would not be able to take a Farsight Enclaves Allied Detachment, as they are still Faction: Tau Empires.

 Happyjew wrote:
The only issue, is in your example, you would have to have a Tau Warlord. As such you would not be able to take a Farsight Enclaves Allied Detachment, as they are still Faction: Tau Empires.

Okay, thanks. Having a Tau Warlord isn't a problem.


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diepotato47 wrote:
Yep, fully legal

Awesome, thanks.

 d00mspire wrote:

 Happyjew wrote:
The only issue, is in your example, you would have to have a Tau Warlord. As such you would not be able to take a Farsight Enclaves Allied Detachment, as they are still Faction: Tau Empires.

Okay, thanks. Having a Tau Warlord isn't a problem.


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diepotato47 wrote:
Yep, fully legal

Awesome, thanks.

The list you presented is not legal. Since (in your example) you have a Warlord with Faction Tau Empire, you cannot have an Allied Detachment with Faction Tau Empire. Farsight Enclaves are still Faction Tau Empire and you cannot take an Allied Detachment of them with a Tau Warlord. Since the Eldar detachment and Harlequin detachment are both Allied Detachments, you cannot have your Warlord from one of those Factions.

However, you can have a CAD of "X" and any number of Allied Detachments of "not-X:, as well as any number of Formations CADs (of any Faction) and Faction specific Detachments.

Yes, unfortunately it is perfectly legal (and Battle-forged) to have a Daemon CAD, Grey Knight Nemesis Strike Force AND Tyranid Allie detachment in the same army.
And you don't even need to use the Allie detachment as you can fully have 4+ CADs if you want. The Allie detachment is only useful if you don't have enough Troops.
And Harlequins have no HQ, so you'd need to use of their Formaitons to "allie" them in.

Just be aware of your local meta and it's expectation of detachments. Some areas prefer only 3 detachments max, others couldn't care if you use 20, or go Unbound.

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I've seen many events that restrict levels of alliance as well, 'no battle brothers' and 'no comes the apocalypse' being the two most common.

 Happyjew wrote:


The list you presented is not legal. Since (in your example) you have a Warlord with Faction Tau Empire, you cannot have an Allied Detachment with Faction Tau Empire. Farsight Enclaves are still Faction Tau Empire and you cannot take an Allied Detachment of them with a Tau Warlord. Since the Eldar detachment and Harlequin detachment are both Allied Detachments, you cannot have your Warlord from one of those Factions.

However, you can have a CAD of "X" and any number of Allied Detachments of "not-X:, as well as any number of Formations CADs (of any Faction) and Faction specific Detachments.

Sorry, I misunderstood you when you said that my warlord had to be Tau. I know that my warlord has to be Tau, but would I not have to have an allied detachment of Farsight because they are a supplement?


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 Galef wrote:
Yes, unfortunately it is perfectly legal (and Battle-forged) to have a Daemon CAD, Grey Knight Nemesis Strike Force AND Tyranid Allie detachment in the same army.
And you don't even need to use the Allie detachment as you can fully have 4+ CADs if you want. The Allie detachment is only useful if you don't have enough Troops.
And Harlequins have no HQ, so you'd need to use of their Formaitons to "allie" them in.

Just be aware of your local meta and it's expectation of detachments. Some areas prefer only 3 detachments max, others couldn't care if you use 20, or go Unbound.

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I don't think my local meta minds about allies and the amount of detachments to be honest.

One thing though: where you say that Harlequins would have to use formations to be put into the list, surely I could just run an Unbound detachment as an ally to my Tau. That would mean I wouldn't need a HQ (obviously they don't have any so this wouldn't happen) but I wouldn't have to play them using a formation.

Allied Detachments have the restriction they cannot be the same Faction as your Warlords

So if Farsight enclaves is still Faction: Tau Empire (Your codex supplement will tell you definitively) it CANNOT be used as an allied detachmetn

Unbound isnt a "detachment"

It is how your ENTIRE ARMY is classified

As soon as you make the harlies Unbound the entire Army is Unbound, and you lose ALL command benefits from the CAD; despite the correct units being there, once Unbound you lose the benefits. You retain the benefits of any Formations however

So if you want the benefit of a CAD you HAVE to use one of the formations for the Harlies, as they cannot fit one of the rulebook detachments

As a note - you could run two ADs whcih both have the same faction; they cannot have the same faction as the Warlords, however nothing says they have to be different to eachother. THeres not much reason to do so, however...

If you do wanna use your list like that (with the change of Harlies to their formations due to them not having an HQ choice) then you can simply make the Harlies as your Primary Detachment. Their formations do not have the restriction of the Allied Detachments nor do they invalidate the Allied Detachments either (and the Allied Detachments must only have a different faction from your primary, not your CADs) The only drawback to this is your warlord is now a Harlequin (which might reduce his/her usefulness since Harlequins are rather fragile).

 MechaEmperor7000 wrote:
If you do wanna use your list like that (with the change of Harlies to their formations due to them not having an HQ choice) then you can simply make the Harlies as your Primary Detachment. Their formations do not have the restriction of the Allied Detachments nor do they invalidate the Allied Detachments either (and the Allied Detachments must only have a different faction from your primary, not your CADs) The only drawback to this is your warlord is now a Harlequin (which might reduce his/her usefulness since Harlequins are rather fragile).

I didn't think of that. Good idea!

So, following that idea, I could have:

Primary Detachment - Harlequins
Allied Detachment - Eldar
Allied Detachment - Tau Empire
Allied Detachment - Farsight Enclaves

The Farsight Enclaves would be an allied detachment separate in this case I guess, because the primary detachment has been changed to Harlequins. Is that right?

Sorta yes. But I mean you can field it like this:

Harlequins Detachment (one of the formations in the Harlequins book or the Masque Detachment in the same book)
Eldar Allied Detachment
Tau Combined Arms Detachment
Farsight Enclaves Allied Detachment

In this case, the Harlequins Masque Detachment is the only valid one for you to declare as your Primary Detachment. This is still more or less the same as what you wanted before as the Harlequins (lacking an HQ) can only be fielded with the formations and Detachments in their own book.

I just wanted to make it clear that even if you take someone as allies, they don't necessarily have to use the "Allied Detachment" foc. And only the Allied Detachment FoC has the restriction that it cannot be the same as your primary detachment.

Furthermore Primary Detachment is simply a designation for which Detachment your Warlord is in. It doesn't have to be a CAD.

You should choose the model you want to be your Warlord in the first place. With that answer, you can decide which Detachment will be your Primary one (cannot be an Allied Detachment). Defining that, you can't use Allied Detachments of the same faction of your warlord (including Supplements and Dataslates).

There is nothing stopping you going with

Tau CAD
Farsight CAD
Harlequin Formation / Detachment
Eldar Formation/Detachment

and then naming the Tau commander as the warlord.

The Allied Detachment is the limiting factor in who can be the warlord - not the allies themselves.

 MechaEmperor7000 wrote:
Sorta yes. But I mean you can field it like this:

Harlequins Detachment (one of the formations in the Harlequins book or the Masque Detachment in the same book)
Eldar Allied Detachment
Tau Combined Arms Detachment
Farsight Enclaves Allied Detachment

In this case, the Harlequins Masque Detachment is the only valid one for you to declare as your Primary Detachment. This is still more or less the same as what you wanted before as the Harlequins (lacking an HQ) can only be fielded with the formations and Detachments in their own book.

I just wanted to make it clear that even if you take someone as allies, they don't necessarily have to use the "Allied Detachment" foc. And only the Allied Detachment FoC has the restriction that it cannot be the same as your primary detachment.

Furthermore Primary Detachment is simply a designation for which Detachment your Warlord is in. It doesn't have to be a CAD.

Thanks for the help. That cleared it up perfectly.


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 Massaen wrote:
There is nothing stopping you going with

Tau CAD
Farsight CAD
Harlequin Formation / Detachment
Eldar Formation/Detachment

and then naming the Tau commander as the warlord.

The Allied Detachment is the limiting factor in who can be the warlord - not the allies themselves.

I might go with this idea.