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I know that Harlequins and Eldar are pretty much two leaves on the same branch. I mean, Harlequins are Eldar that worship Cegorach.

I have two questions regarding these two armies:
Question One - How would I go about starting both an Eldar and a Harlequins army?
QUestion Two - Why are Harlequins a separate army now?

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Harlequins are now a separate army because of the unique units they now have access to that are not present in a Craftworld's armoury, combined with the removal of Ancient Doom, which didn't make sense for Harlequins

I would personally have Eldar as your main army and add an allied detachment of Harlequins; use the Start Collecting set for Eldar as that has a good core for your army, and then expand with a Harlequin Troupe and a Void/Starweaver to create a fast moving strike force

Hope this helps

G.A

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Harlequins are a separate army so GW could make more money from players. Its the same reason why every Space Marine Faction has their own book.

Starting an army has one major first decision. Do you want to win or do you want to play what you think looks cool? Harlequins look amazing but as a stand alone army they are pretty sub par.

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There's apparently a new box set with Harlies and Deathwatch coming out soon, so you might want to pick that up. Or see if you can split it with some one.

 
   
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Harlequins went from a single unit that was an elite choice, shared between DE and CWE books (which made things SUPER awkward as they basically could never update their rules) to a separate army because they were allies before the allied matrix was even a thing. They've always been a totally seperate force that fights with either of the two eldar factions.

On top of that, with the new rules they went to an army with 1 troop unit, 3 ICs, a jetbike unit, a transport, and a light tank. So they used them being their own faction to flesh out their rules essentially.

As for the way to start them? Get that new box that's coming out soon. If you split the cost with someone who wants the shiny new marine stuff, you're getting something absurd like a 50% discount on the harlequin contents of the box.

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Also, people don't mind playing against Harlequins, whereas if you say you play Eldar, many people will just freak out and assume you're just a WAAC player.
Last week I picked up a box of Skyweavers, and some guy thought it was a box of Eldar jetbikes. The minute he realized I had Harlequins, you could see a big smile on his face, and then he started ranting about scatterbikes.

Game wise, they're very different. Harlequins are paper thin and die in seconds to any volume of shooting, but hit hard in close combat.
   
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 General Annoyance wrote:
Harlequins are now a separate army because of the unique units they now have access to that are not present in a Craftworld's armoury, combined with the removal of Ancient Doom, which didn't make sense for Harlequins

I would personally have Eldar as your main army and add an allied detachment of Harlequins; use the Start Collecting set for Eldar as that has a good core for your army, and then expand with a Harlequin Troupe and a Void/Starweaver to create a fast moving strike force

Hope this helps

G.A


I was going to take Eldar and Harlequins as allies for my Tau army.


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fresus wrote:
Also, people don't mind playing against Harlequins, whereas if you say you play Eldar, many people will just freak out and assume you're just a WAAC player.
Last week I picked up a box of Skyweavers, and some guy thought it was a box of Eldar jetbikes. The minute he realized I had Harlequins, you could see a big smile on his face, and then he started ranting about scatterbikes.

Game wise, they're very different. Harlequins are paper thin and die in seconds to any volume of shooting, but hit hard in close combat.


I play Tau, so people assume I'm a WAAC player anyway. xD I was planning to use them as allies.

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Think of Harlequins as Eldar Daemons (invul saves, focus on close combat, unique psychic shenanigans) or as more durable, close combat oriented Dark Eldar.

The good thing about Harlequins is that, due to their codex being designed as an Allies force in mind, most of their formations are small and don't have much in the way of requirements.

This is also the bad thing about them; aside from close combat, their army only has a token answer for everything else. Use them like mortar between bricks; they're there to fill in gaps in your army, not to be an army on their own.

They could be very good for Tau, as they are close combat specialists and can fill that niche. This is assuming your Tau even has that as a weakness.

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 MechaEmperor7000 wrote:
Think of Harlequins as Eldar Daemons (invul saves, focus on close combat, unique psychic shenanigans) or as more durable, close combat oriented Dark Eldar.

The good thing about Harlequins is that, due to their codex being designed as an Allies force in mind, most of their formations are small and don't have much in the way of requirements.

This is also the bad thing about them; aside from close combat, their army only has a token answer for everything else. Use them like mortar between bricks; they're there to fill in gaps in your army, not to be an army on their own.

They could be very good for Tau, as they are close combat specialists and can fill that niche. This is assuming your Tau even has that as a weakness.


My Tau get that weakness when playing against Marines. I really need to get some more firepower to stop them from getting to me.

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Then Harlies would really help. Caresses grant the old 4th edition version of rending, which shreds marines and terminators alike.

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the_scotsman wrote:
Harlequins went from a single unit that was an elite choice, shared between DE and CWE books


Technically, Harlequins went FROM a stand alone army (RT), to a group of units within a codex (2nd ed), to a group of units in a couple of codices (Eldar/Dark Eldar), to an add-on ally to a codex to the standalone army again ... over 5 or so rules editions. Like many "classic" units, they skipped a couple of editions (generally 3rd/4th) - although they DID have a sort-of-kind-of 3rd edition army in the Citadel journal (including the 12" charge solitaire who gained 1 attack for each unused inch of assault movement. So if you charged a unit 1" away, it was +1A, but 6" away was +6A)

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