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Hi all

I am currently looking to start a new army in 40k as my effots until now have been futile. My local meta seems to revolve around Knights and riptides/stormsurges. There are others but this is what is giving me the most grief. I currently play DE which can't handle either hence the looking to change. I don't want to go eldar as I neither like playing or painting them. Any suggestions on what army's can deal with both of these threats everything I can think of can only seem to deal with one or the other. Having some access to a sort of melee vanguard unit would be nice as I find these very fun ( I love my corpsetheif to bits). Necrons might be an idea but can't work out how you would take care of riptides (especially when there is 6 on the table)

Any help to this end would be appreciated.

Other notes that may be usefull :
1850 is the go to points
Basically any thing is a go id prefer not to relly on FW stuff as most local tornements restrict this.

If it were me I'd try and find players who don't adhere to the local meta that forces everyone to play a certain way - that way you can collect what you like and enjoy the game how you please (for the most part)

Sounds like Space Marines would be the way to go for you if you still want to play against those Riptide Spams - you can kit out squads of Vanguard Veterans to deal with them pretty easily, which would also satisfy your want for a good assault unit. However, they can get very pricey, and still no guarantee that they won't get mulched by other Tau gunfire. What else does a typical Tau list in your meta run?

Make an Imperium of Man army, where you cherry pick things you want from different armies. Wait for Deathwatch, see if that gives you anything to go on.

Play Sisters of Battle for Mass Melta and Armourbane
Jacobus
2x Battle Sister Squads w/2x Meltaguns In Repressors
3x Repentia Squads Ib Repressors
3x Dominion Squads w/4 Meltaguns In Repressors
3x Exorcists
(A fortification that is slightly taller than a rhino)

On the tau lists here are the one I can remember as I have played against these a few times. Sorry I can't remember the formations used.

1 is 6 riptides , with 2 dreadKnights and some Gk

The other is 3 riptides a stormsurge and some XV8 suits .

Marines / imperium stuff sounds cool especially with the deathwatch coming out. And I can easily cherry pick assassins and the like.

Yup, an Imperial army seems the best thing to do - you can make your own gunlines with IG, or bring plenty of LRBT's to support your Marine army

I would advise against LRBT's. They are surprisingly terrible at everything you buy them for.

This coming from a guy who has eight and a Hellhammer.

 Selym wrote:
I would advise against LRBT's. They are surprisingly terrible at everything you buy them for.

This coming from a guy who has eight and a Hellhammer.

AP3 pie plates will mulch Battlesuits that don't have Shield Generators, and any MEQ's he goes against; they have the range to keep most opponents at arms length too

Mind you, I only own 4, so I might be wrong on this

Go rule of cool man, Go to the store, look what looks the most fun to paint and paint it up.

If its a horde army, like ork or nids, learn about washing and dry brushing, so you dont go crazy trying to paint it all.

I have used up to 3 Battlecannons in a game. They always let me down...

Pask Punisher and Plasmabro can mulch stuff pretty well, but you need good amounts of LOS block or massive distraction carnifexes to get them in range.

 Selym wrote:
I have used up to 3 Battlecannons in a game. They always let me down...

Pask Punisher and Plasmabro can mulch stuff pretty well, but you need good amounts of LOS block or massive distraction carnifexes to get them in range.

I had plenty of success stories with them against Marines, and their lascannons were useful when dealing with something with a harder case. Then again, I played Russ Squadrons before Grav Weapons became widely adopted by Marine armies, so perhaps that's why I had great success.

Surprisingly enough, the Eradicator and its Nova Cannon won me many battles against Necrons and Daemons, so I used them for quite a time.

I also played on 48 by 48" tables, so most battles were at close range; a lot of the tables had height advantages to move heavier firepower onto them too. So I guess it's all down to meta and situational variables

G.A

 Backspacehacker wrote:
Go rule of cool man, Go to the store, look what looks the most fun to paint and paint it up.

If its a horde army, like ork or nids, learn about washing and dry brushing, so you dont go crazy trying to paint it all.

I've tried this before I end up with all the things , I have shelves of random cool models .

I do have a pask punisher and a executioner somewhere so I might try those out with some marine stuff . Still think I'm going to wait for deathwatch they seem super cool.

although a new chaos dex where every thing isnt masivly over costed would also result in me only playing CSM

Ok Deathwatch is out and looks cool not sure what to put with it as it seems to be more of a allied force due to the costs of units.

But after a week of thoughts in not sure what would be the best allies for them . I'm thinking guard or marines.

Guard will give you some much needed target saturation and board space filler.

Space Marines are useful for a lot of stuff. Though, it would be more cost-efficient to just use C:SM on their own, and not bother with DW.

 Selym wrote:
Guard will give you some much needed target saturation and board space filler.

Space Marines are useful for a lot of stuff. Though, it would be more cost-efficient to just use C:SM on their own, and not bother with DW.

Would not not be worth using Deathwatch in place of sturnguard / vanguard vets? just a thought as I wo like to use deathwatch/ not a fan of generic SM .

If you're playing for Rule of Cool, sure. But since the function that DW will typically provide when allied to SM is that of suicidal tank/MC buster, you may as well take Sternies or some Grav.

 Selym wrote:
If you're playing for Rule of Cool, sure. But since the function that DW will typically provide when allied to SM is that of suicidal tank/MC buster, you may as well take Sternies or some Grav.

Ah fair enough that makes sense . They do seem a bit suicidal by nature. Back to the drawing board then I suppose.

Knights and Stormsurges you say...

Finding a clever way to insert some Heavy Thunder Hammers into assault against either of those could put on the hurt...

Corvus Blackstar [180 pts]
Veteran Squad w/5x HTH [260 pts]

Adapt to taste. You'll need some other stuff, too, but that might help...