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Gathering the Informations.

 skyth wrote:
Apparently there are now reports of the Trump NC campaign leader was pulling a gun on people.

...

Ahhh my home state. <3

For those interested, here's a link to the story!
A former Charlotte staffer for Donald Trump’s presidential campaign alleged in a lawsuit Thursday that Trump’s then-state director pulled a gun on him, and campaign officials ignored pleas to do something about it.

Vincent Bordini filed the suit in Mecklenburg County Superior Court against Charlottean Earl Phillip and the Trump campaign. Phillip was replaced this month as Trump’s state director.

Bordini, described in the suit as “a passionate Donald J. Trump supporter,” claims to have described the February incident to then-Trump campaign manager Corey Lewandowski.

Bordini, 41, claims he was hired by the campaign as a software trainer in December 2015. On Feb. 13, during the South Carolina primary, he says he was with Phillip and got in Phillip’s Jeep outside a Greenville S.C. hotel.

“All of a sudden, Vincent saw Phillip pull a gun out from his side of the Jeep,” the suit says. “It was a .45 caliber pistol. It was loaded… Phillip then moved the gun toward Vincent. He pointed it at, and then placed the barrel on, Vincent’s left knee cap…

“Vincent froze. Philip’s gun was loaded and the safety was off. A bump in the road would likely result in a bullet hole, and worse, in Vincent’s knee. Once the initial shock wore off, Vincent said, ‘What the f--- are you doing?’”

The suit alleges that Bordini learned of “at least four other” people on whom Phillip pulled a gun. He said he alerted Trump campaign staffers including Lewandowski and Stuart Jolly, Trump’s national field director.

Phillip said Thursday that he’s hired a lawyer. He also said he’s “officially stepped down” from positions in the Trump organization. Phillip, who was replaced as state director this month by Jason Simmons, has said he was then working in Trump’s minority outreach effort.

Bordini could not be reached.

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 skyth wrote:
Apparently there are now reports of the Trump NC campaign leader was pulling a gun on people.

Source?

I'd expect to see that blow up twitter by now...


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 Ustrello wrote:
Spoiler:
 whembly wrote:
 Peregrine wrote:


I really don't see what your point here is. Do you honestly feel like "you're objecting to this awful thing my party did more than these other awful things my party did" is a good argument?

No.

I'm asking you to own up to the fact that Planned Parenthood would NOT be the recipient of federal tax dollars in this bill, is such a horrible thing, that you're supporting the Democrats to deep-six this bill.

This is new money allocated to a program....

This bill does NOT, in any way, endanger the very existence of Planned Parenthood, but because they are a major constituent of the Democratic Party... not being able to have access to the money trough is too simply too much.





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 jmurph wrote:
Donald Trump calls Obama 'founder of ISIS'

Donald Trump on Wednesday repeatedly called President Barack Obama the "founder" of ISIS and labeled Hillary Clinton the "co-founder."
At a rally in Fort Lauderdale, Florida, Trump also said that ISIS "honors" Obama -- who the GOP nominee referred to as "Barack Hussein Obama."

After lamenting the "mistake" the US made by going to war in Iraq -- a conflict he repeatedly says that he opposed, despite evidence to the contrary -- Trump then criticized Obama's attempts to "clean up."

"Normally you want to clean up; he made a bigger mess out of it. He made such a mess. And then you had Hillary with Libya, so sad," Trump said.

"In fact, in many respects, you know they honor president Obama. ISIS is honoring President Obama. He is the founder of ISIS. He's the founder of ISIS, OK? He's the founder. He founded ISIS."

He then said that the "co-founder" of ISIS was Clinton.

On CNBC Thursday morning, Trump doubled down on his comments.

"He was the founder of ISIS, absolutely," Trump said. "The way he removed our troops -- you shouldn't have gone in. I was against the war in Iraq. Totally against it."

"That mistake was made. It was a horrible mistake -- one of the worst mistakes in the history of our country. We destabilized the Middle East and we've been paying the price for it for years. He was the founder -- absolutely, the founder. In fact, in sports they have awards, he gets the most valuable player award. Him and Hillary. I mean she gets it, too. I gave them co-founder if you really looked at the speech."


What the what? So Obama "founded" Isis because he withdrew troops that Trump says should never have been there in the first place (even though he apparently told Howard Stern in 2002 that he did)? Troops that Bush sent in. Oh, but his middle name is "Hussein" so that explains it.

No... it's an old complaint from the Obama critics...

By pulling American troops out of Iraq to keep his campaign promise before the 2012 election, Obama's actions left a power vacuum that made it easy for ISIS to grow and thrive.

That's indisputable.

EDIT: I'll concede trump seems to be implying 'willful' creation, which is fething nutso.


And going to war in iraq started it all that is indisputable

Two wrong decisions doesn't make it right.

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 whembly wrote:
By pulling American troops out of Iraq to keep his campaign promise before the 2012 election, Obama's actions left a power vacuum that made it easy for ISIS to grow and thrive.

That's indisputable.


George W. Bush signed the SOFA that set the 2011 timeline for the removal of troops from Iraq. The Iraqis barely even agreed to that, they very nearly had to pull them out by December 2008.

I know this. You know this. We all know you know this, because we've talked about it before, many, many times here. And yet here you are, again fronting this debunked bs. And we're going to show that it's not true, again, and then at some point later, you're going to repeat it as if it was fact, again.

Spoiler:

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 lord_blackfang wrote:
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 Ouze wrote:
 whembly wrote:
By pulling American troops out of Iraq to keep his campaign promise before the 2012 election, Obama's actions left a power vacuum that made it easy for ISIS to grow and thrive.

That's indisputable.


George W. Bush signed the SOFA that set the 2011 timeline for the removal of troops from Iraq. The Iraqis barely even agreed to that, they very nearly had to pull them out by December 2008.

I know this. You know this. We all know you know this, because we've talked about it before, many, many times here. And yet here you are, again fronting this debunked bs. And we're going to show that it's not true, again, and then at some point later, you're going to repeat it as if it was fact, again.

Spoiler:

I'm not discounting that all.

Only advocating that the Obama administration should've encouraged the Iraqi for a new SOFA agreement. The commanders on the ground wanted more time to gracefully withdraw.

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We would have had to re-invade Iraq - a US ally. Is that what you are endorsing?

They were never going to sign a SOFA that immunized US troops from prosecution as they previously had, and we would never have signed a SOFA that didn't give US troops immunity. This isn't a controversial idea.

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 lord_blackfang wrote:
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 skyth wrote:
Apparently there are now reports of the Trump NC campaign leader was pulling a gun on people.


no no you MSM CNN shill. He wasn't pulling a gun on people. He was just holding the firearm in his hand while talking to them.

-"Wait a minute.....who is that Frazz is talking to in the gallery? Hmmm something is going on here.....Oh.... it seems there is some dispute over video taping of some sort......Frazz is really upset now..........wait a minute......whats he go there.......is it? Can it be?....Frazz has just unleashed his hidden weiner dog from his mini bag, while quoting shakespeares "Let slip the dogs the war!!" GG
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Gathering the Informations.

 Frazzled wrote:
 skyth wrote:
Apparently there are now reports of the Trump NC campaign leader was pulling a gun on people.


no no you MSM CNN shill. He wasn't pulling a gun on people. He was just holding the firearm in his hand while talking to them.

With the safety off, because that's the way you prank people!
   
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 Kanluwen wrote:
 Frazzled wrote:
 skyth wrote:
Apparently there are now reports of the Trump NC campaign leader was pulling a gun on people.


no no you MSM CNN shill. He wasn't pulling a gun on people. He was just holding the firearm in his hand while talking to them.

With the safety off, because that's the way you prank people!


Exactly. Further, it was a joke! Wow you people thought he was threatening them? Thats just disgusting.


Can we get a Trump bingo card going ala the old Cheney bingo card? This would be worth real money.

EDIT: I just finish typing and I see this. Classic Trump double down on dumb.
http://www.cnn.com/2016/08/11/politics/donald-trump-hugh-hewitt-obama-founder-isis/index.html
Again, at best this really looks like he doesn't understand basic English. When a Texan is telling you, you need book learnin', then something is seriously wrong.


Washington (CNN)Donald Trump said Thursday that he meant exactly what he said when he called President Barack Obama the "founder of ISIS" and objected when a conservative radio show host tried to clarify the GOP nominee's position.
Trump was asked by host Hugh Hewitt about the comments Trump made Wednesday night in Florida, and Hewitt said he understood Trump to mean "that he (Obama) created the vacuum, he lost the peace."

Trump objected.
"No, I meant he's the founder of ISIS," Trump said. "I do. He was the most valuable player. I give him the most valuable player award. I give her, too, by the way, Hillary Clinton."
Hewitt pushed back again, saying that Obama is "not sympathetic" to ISIS and "hates" and is "trying to kill them."
"I don't care," Trump said, according to a show transcript. "He was the founder. His, the way he got out of Iraq was that that was the founding of ISIS, okay?"


Now that I think about it, I've seen his before, just not in people that were sober.

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 Ouze wrote:
We would have had to re-invade Iraq - a US ally. Is that what you are endorsing?

I'm not sure we're talking about the samething... o.O

I mean, when the original SOFA agreement expired, I argued that Obama should've negotiated harder for a new one for the express purpose of a more gradual drawdown that the ground commanders would advocating. (the Iraqis were playing hardball... I think there was an election at the time?).

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 whembly wrote:

This bill does NOT, in any way, endanger the very existence of Planned Parenthood, but because they are a major constituent of the Democratic Party... not being able to have access to the money trough is too simply too much.


What? Even going back through the thread, I cannot figure out what you mean.

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Hooboy...
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/centcom-accused-of-manipulating-intelligence-isis-fight-syria-iraq/

I remember when manipulating intelligence was a Very Bad Thing™.

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 whembly wrote:


This bill does NOT, in any way, endanger the very existence of Planned Parenthood, but because they are a major constituent of the Democratic Party... not being able to have access to the money trough is too simply too much.


Or you could say that the major constituents of the Republican Party have such a hate-on for Planned Parenthood and the ACA that having a bill to fund anti-Zika measures without taking money away from them is simply too much.

Or that they have such a love for Confederate flags in military cemeteries that they can't agree to protect people against Zika unless they get that.

Really, the biggest, most damning issue here for Republicans is that they shot down the 'clean' bill. That says a hell of a lot.
   
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 Frazzled wrote:
 Kanluwen wrote:
 Frazzled wrote:
 skyth wrote:
Apparently there are now reports of the Trump NC campaign leader was pulling a gun on people.


no no you MSM CNN shill. He wasn't pulling a gun on people. He was just holding the firearm in his hand while talking to them.

With the safety off, because that's the way you prank people!


Exactly. Further, it was a joke! Wow you people thought he was threatening them? Thats just disgusting.


Can we get a Trump bingo card going ala the old Cheney bingo card? This would be worth real money.

EDIT: I just finish typing and I see this. Classic Trump double down on dumb.
http://www.cnn.com/2016/08/11/politics/donald-trump-hugh-hewitt-obama-founder-isis/index.html
Again, at best this really looks like he doesn't understand basic English. When a Texan is telling you, you need book learnin', then something is seriously wrong.


Washington (CNN)Donald Trump said Thursday that he meant exactly what he said when he called President Barack Obama the "founder of ISIS" and objected when a conservative radio show host tried to clarify the GOP nominee's position.
Trump was asked by host Hugh Hewitt about the comments Trump made Wednesday night in Florida, and Hewitt said he understood Trump to mean "that he (Obama) created the vacuum, he lost the peace."

Trump objected.
"No, I meant he's the founder of ISIS," Trump said. "I do. He was the most valuable player. I give him the most valuable player award. I give her, too, by the way, Hillary Clinton."
Hewitt pushed back again, saying that Obama is "not sympathetic" to ISIS and "hates" and is "trying to kill them."
"I don't care," Trump said, according to a show transcript. "He was the founder. His, the way he got out of Iraq was that that was the founding of ISIS, okay?"


The trouble is whatever crazy bs you put on it, Trump probably will fill it up in about a day. Because basically Trump is a BS artist.

I'm writing a load of fiction. My latest story starts here... This is the index of all the stories...

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 Frazzled wrote:


EDIT: I just finish typing and I see this. Classic Trump double down on dumb.
http://www.cnn.com/2016/08/11/politics/donald-trump-hugh-hewitt-obama-founder-isis/index.html
Again, at best this really looks like he doesn't understand basic English. When a Texan is telling you, you need book learnin', then something is seriously wrong.


Washington (CNN)Donald Trump said Thursday that he meant exactly what he said when he called President Barack Obama the "founder of ISIS" and objected when a conservative radio show host tried to clarify the GOP nominee's position.
Trump was asked by host Hugh Hewitt about the comments Trump made Wednesday night in Florida, and Hewitt said he understood Trump to mean "that he (Obama) created the vacuum, he lost the peace."

Trump objected.
"No, I meant he's the founder of ISIS," Trump said. "I do. He was the most valuable player. I give him the most valuable player award. I give her, too, by the way, Hillary Clinton."
Hewitt pushed back again, saying that Obama is "not sympathetic" to ISIS and "hates" and is "trying to kill them."
"I don't care," Trump said, according to a show transcript. "He was the founder. His, the way he got out of Iraq was that that was the founding of ISIS, okay?"


Now that I think about it, I've seen his before, just not in people that were sober.

Ha! Anyone see "He was the most valuable player".

O.o

Every day and you think Trump can't be any worst... then, the next day sure as gak, he bitch slaps you again.

Question for everyone: If Trump was truly trying to throw this election... would he be doing anything different?

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Yeah, I'm actually thinking more and more that he's trying to lose. He doesn't want the job or the responsibility; what he wants is the attention, the book sales, and the ability to stand on his Twitter soapbox and scream 'I told you so, this would all be better if this were the United States of Trumpica!' for the next four to eight years.

He's already set himself up so that he can claim he didn't lose, that the election was 'rigged' instead.
   
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All Trump is doing now is the same stuff he has done throughout.

The problem now is that he has to try to appeal to people outside his natural constituency, and his BS spiel doesn't work on them.

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 d-usa wrote:
Today I learned that Republicans are to blame for ObamaCare, because they should have negotiated harder.

Today I learned that it's never the Democrats fault.... ever.

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 whembly wrote:

-single-issue bills for greater transparencies.


Transparency.

And no, wrangling all the problems inherent in any given issue is not going to increase transparency.

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 whembly wrote:

No.

I'm asking you to own up to the fact that Planned Parenthood would NOT be the recipient of federal tax dollars in this bill, is such a horrible thing, that you're supporting the Democrats to deep-six this bill.

This is new money allocated to a program....

This bill does NOT, in any way, endanger the very existence of Planned Parenthood, but because they are a major constituent of the Democratic Party... not being able to have access to the money trough is too simply too much.


You going to respond to what I said to you about Planned Parenthood and how specifically not funding it is going to put Americans lives at risk? It is a gag order. It is not in any way what you are trying to make it out to be.

Fact: Their riders would keep Planned Parenthood staff from explaining the dangers of bringing a child to term while infected with the Zika Virus.

What say you to that?

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 dogma wrote:
 whembly wrote:

-single-issue bills for greater transparencies.


Transparency. --duly noted professor doggie--

And no, wrangling all the problems inherent in any given issue is not going to increase transparency.

Why not?

Would it be easier to hold congressional critters accountable when:
-passing a omnibus/cromnibus?
or
-bills appropriately segregated by topics?

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 whembly wrote:
 d-usa wrote:
Today I learned that Republicans are to blame for ObamaCare, because they should have negotiated harder.

Today I learned that it's never the Democrats fault.... ever.


No, don't dissemble. You said a thing that wasn't true, that we all know for sure you knew not to be true, and now this is what you're doing to try and evade it.

 lord_blackfang wrote:
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 Dreadwinter wrote:
 whembly wrote:

No.

I'm asking you to own up to the fact that Planned Parenthood would NOT be the recipient of federal tax dollars in this bill, is such a horrible thing, that you're supporting the Democrats to deep-six this bill.

This is new money allocated to a program....

This bill does NOT, in any way, endanger the very existence of Planned Parenthood, but because they are a major constituent of the Democratic Party... not being able to have access to the money trough is too simply too much.


You going to respond to what I said to you about Planned Parenthood and how specifically not funding it is going to put Americans lives at risk? It is a gag order. It is not in any way what you are trying to make it out to be.

Fact: Their riders would keep Planned Parenthood staff from explaining the dangers of bringing a child to term while infected with the Zika Virus.

What say you to that?

Citation please.

The actual bill will suffice.


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 Ouze wrote:
 whembly wrote:
 d-usa wrote:
Today I learned that Republicans are to blame for ObamaCare, because they should have negotiated harder.

Today I learned that it's never the Democrats fault.... ever.


No, don't dissemble. You said a thing that wasn't true, that we all know for sure you knew not to be true, and now this is what you're doing to try and evade it.

What thing? Don't be obtuse.

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 whembly wrote:
 Ouze wrote:
 whembly wrote:
 d-usa wrote:
Today I learned that Republicans are to blame for ObamaCare, because they should have negotiated harder.

Today I learned that it's never the Democrats fault.... ever.


No, don't dissemble. You said a thing that wasn't true, that we all know for sure you knew not to be true, and now this is what you're doing to try and evade it.

What thing? Don't be obtuse.


It's not even been a page.

 whembly wrote:
By pulling American troops out of Iraq to keep his campaign promise before the 2012 election, Obama's actions left a power vacuum that made it easy for ISIS to grow and thrive.

That's indisputable.


When in fact, George W. Bush signed the SOFA that specified full troop removal by 2011, and he did so in 2008. That's indisputable. Obama tried to get them to sign another one, they refused, and barring invading and then occupying a US ally, we legally had no right to stay.

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 whembly wrote:

Transparency. --duly noted professor doggie--


I'm posting from my phone. If I can spell and punctuate properly, then so can you.

 whembly wrote:

-bills appropriately segregated by topics?


That is often how bills are currently passed. You're not suggesting a change.

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 Ouze wrote:


 whembly wrote:
By pulling American troops out of Iraq to keep his campaign promise before the 2012 election, Obama's actions left a power vacuum that made it easy for ISIS to grow and thrive.

That's indisputable.


When in fact, George W. Bush signed the SOFA that specified full troop removal by 2011, and he did so in 2008. That's indisputable.


You know how in RPGs there are usually some kind of racial bonus? Dwarves and their natural magic resistance, for example. GOP true believers get an innate +5 saving throw vs Facts.

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 Ouze wrote:
 whembly wrote:
 Ouze wrote:
 whembly wrote:
 d-usa wrote:
Today I learned that Republicans are to blame for ObamaCare, because they should have negotiated harder.

Today I learned that it's never the Democrats fault.... ever.


No, don't dissemble. You said a thing that wasn't true, that we all know for sure you knew not to be true, and now this is what you're doing to try and evade it.

What thing? Don't be obtuse.


It's not even been a page.

 whembly wrote:
By pulling American troops out of Iraq to keep his campaign promise before the 2012 election, Obama's actions left a power vacuum that made it easy for ISIS to grow and thrive.

That's indisputable.


When in fact, George W. Bush signed the SOFA that specified full troop removal by 2011, and he did so in 2008. That's indisputable.

SOFA was meant to be renegotiated to provide a long-term presence with U.S. troops in a different role. That was always understood. So, by stating that it was Bush's SOFA, so it's ALL HIS FAULT... amounts to trying to fit a square peg into a round hole in the 'blame game'.

You're buying the line that the Iraqis wanted us out asap.... which is not accurate.

Despite Difficult Talks, U.S. and Iraq Had Expected Some American Troops to Stay.


What we Left Behind.


Leon Panetta: How the White House Misplayed Iraqi Troop Talks.

So... back to Trump... he's being a hyperbolic dick with all this.

But, the underlining point that by pulling US troops out of Iraq, in order to keep his campaign promise before the 2012 election, and refusing to factor in what ground commanders wanted (and what al-Malaki was signaling behind doors), Obama's action left a power vacuum that made it easy for ISIS to grow and thrive.



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Perhaps the US electorate shouldn't have got tired of their sons and daughters getting mained or killed uselessly in Bush's Gulf War 2.

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 feeder wrote:
 Ouze wrote:


 whembly wrote:
By pulling American troops out of Iraq to keep his campaign promise before the 2012 election, Obama's actions left a power vacuum that made it easy for ISIS to grow and thrive.

That's indisputable.


When in fact, George W. Bush signed the SOFA that specified full troop removal by 2011, and he did so in 2008. That's indisputable.


You know how in RPGs there are usually some kind of racial bonus? Dwarves and their natural magic resistance, for example. GOP true believers get an innate +5 saving throw vs Facts.


It really is astounding how easily they do it to, in the face of all facts and proof to the contrary.

Colbert was right about Truthiness

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http://www.npr.org/2016/08/11/489576029/why-are-the-media-obsessed-with-trump-s-controversies-and-not-clinton-s

Good article about the "why won't they talk about Clinton" complaints.

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Her stories are boring, Trump is a fascinating train wreck
   
 
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