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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/10/08 03:59:01
Subject: US Politics
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Mutated Chosen Chaos Marine
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What are the betting odds that Trump doesn't show up at the debate on Sunday?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/10/08 04:06:49
Subject: US Politics
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Mekboy on Kustom Deth Kopta
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he'll be there, that blow hole loves the sound of his own voice.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/10/08 04:08:34
Subject: US Politics
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Preacher of the Emperor
At a Place, Making Dolls Great Again
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If he understands his strengths (which is to simply attack Hillary and put her on the defensive, and she has a lot to be defensive about) then the debate could surely be his.
If he is going to do what he did last time, and I say this as a Trump supporter, he might as well not show up.
Low Energy.
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Make Dolls Great Again
Clover/Trump 2016
For the United Shelves of America! |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/10/08 04:10:07
Subject: US Politics
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Douglas Bader
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Rainbow Dash wrote:If he understands his strengths (which is to simply attack Hillary and put her on the defensive, and she has a lot to be defensive about) then the debate could surely be his.
If he is going to do what he did last time, and I say this as a Trump supporter, he might as well not show up.
Low Energy.
I think it says a lot about how terrible Trump is that you, as a Trump supporter, think his only chance of winning is to go into "CLINTON SUCKS" and his own policy positions are an afterthought at most.
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There is no such thing as a hobby without politics. "Leave politics at the door" is itself a political statement, an endorsement of the status quo and an attempt to silence dissenting voices. |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/10/08 04:21:04
Subject: US Politics
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Preacher of the Emperor
At a Place, Making Dolls Great Again
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Peregrine wrote: Rainbow Dash wrote:If he understands his strengths (which is to simply attack Hillary and put her on the defensive, and she has a lot to be defensive about) then the debate could surely be his.
If he is going to do what he did last time, and I say this as a Trump supporter, he might as well not show up.
Low Energy.
I think it says a lot about how terrible Trump is that you, as a Trump supporter, think his only chance of winning is to go into "CLINTON SUCKS" and his own policy positions are an afterthought at most.
They're not interested in policy, they're not interested in that, they only want to attack, and the only way to succeed against people like that, is to play their own game, but better.
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Make Dolls Great Again
Clover/Trump 2016
For the United Shelves of America! |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/10/08 04:21:18
Subject: US Politics
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Grisly Ghost Ark Driver
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Peregrine wrote: Rainbow Dash wrote:If he understands his strengths (which is to simply attack Hillary and put her on the defensive, and she has a lot to be defensive about) then the debate could surely be his.
If he is going to do what he did last time, and I say this as a Trump supporter, he might as well not show up.
Low Energy.
I think it says a lot about how terrible Trump is that you, as a Trump supporter, think his only chance of winning is to go into "CLINTON SUCKS" and his own policy positions are an afterthought at most.
Honestly I'm pretty sure that would still reault in a loss anyways as Clinton is definitely smarter than Trump. I think Trump's best chance at this point is to fly to Syria and challenge Al-Baghdadi to a fist fight.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/10/08 04:27:09
Subject: US Politics
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Pyromaniac Hellhound Pilot
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Rainbow Dash wrote: Peregrine wrote: Rainbow Dash wrote:If he understands his strengths (which is to simply attack Hillary and put her on the defensive, and she has a lot to be defensive about) then the debate could surely be his.
If he is going to do what he did last time, and I say this as a Trump supporter, he might as well not show up.
Low Energy.
I think it says a lot about how terrible Trump is that you, as a Trump supporter, think his only chance of winning is to go into "CLINTON SUCKS" and his own policy positions are an afterthought at most.
They're not interested in policy, they're not interested in that, they only want to attack, and the only way to succeed against people like that, is to play their own game, but better.
Who are 'they'?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/10/08 04:29:10
Subject: Re:US Politics
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Longtime Dakkanaut
On a surly Warboar, leading the Waaagh!
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The word "abomination" comes to mind.
HRC was absolutely right in her assessment, maybe even generous with the percentage. At this point, only "...a basket of deplorables..." could possibly stand by this, "thing".
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/10/08 04:39:32
Subject: Re:US Politics
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Preacher of the Emperor
At a Place, Making Dolls Great Again
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BigWaaagh wrote:
The word "abomination" comes to mind.
HRC was absolutely right in her assessment, maybe even generous with the percentage. At this point, only "...a basket of deplorables..." could possibly stand by this, "thing".
It was too easy, I must admit.
Automatically Appended Next Post: Spinner wrote: Rainbow Dash wrote: Peregrine wrote: Rainbow Dash wrote:If he understands his strengths (which is to simply attack Hillary and put her on the defensive, and she has a lot to be defensive about) then the debate could surely be his.
If he is going to do what he did last time, and I say this as a Trump supporter, he might as well not show up.
Low Energy.
I think it says a lot about how terrible Trump is that you, as a Trump supporter, think his only chance of winning is to go into "CLINTON SUCKS" and his own policy positions are an afterthought at most.
They're not interested in policy, they're not interested in that, they only want to attack, and the only way to succeed against people like that, is to play their own game, but better.
Who are 'they'?
Clinton's supporters, or the other (the never Trump people too), you guys, I am not sure where many of you align politically, but it's not on the "Trump Train" so such generalizations fit in this instance.
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Make Dolls Great Again
Clover/Trump 2016
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/10/08 04:44:02
Subject: Re:US Politics
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And what if I were to say that Trump and the Republican party's policies - and the lack thereof for the former - were a massive reason for I and many others not to vote for him? That, in fact, I'm very interested to know what his policies would be.
We'd probably need weekly edits to keep up, though
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/10/08 04:53:01
Subject: Re:US Politics
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Hangin' with Gork & Mork
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Relapse wrote:Half my family back there love him, the other half hate him. He's an interesting study in himself, and he got elected as governor twice.
He got elected twice but never with anything close to a majority of the vote. I think the highest he got was 37%. Third party candidates drained the votes away from other options giving him the win each time. In a straight two person election he probably doesn't win, but that hasn't happened, luckily for him. It is also what could happen in the Presidential Election if enough people decide not to vote or vote third party. If Trump wins that will be how: not because he could beat Clinton in a stand up race but because people would rather not vote at all or drain votes from Hillary to give Trump the win.
She isn't that likable but she is a far better option than Trump and at this point the mere fact idiots might give him the White House out of stupidity or apathy is frustrating.
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Amidst the mists and coldest frosts he thrusts his fists against the posts and still insists he sees the ghosts.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/10/08 05:10:14
Subject: Re:US Politics
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Last Remaining Whole C'Tan
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Ahtman wrote:She isn't that likable but she is a far better option than Trump and at this point the mere fact idiots might give him the White House out of stupidity or apathy is frustrating.
Well, they're both equally bad.
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lord_blackfang wrote:Respect to the guy who subscribed just to post a massive ASCII dong in the chat and immediately get banned.
Flinty wrote:The benefit of slate is that its.actually a.rock with rock like properties. The downside is that it's a rock |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/10/08 05:14:55
Subject: US Politics
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Douglas Bader
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Rainbow Dash wrote:They're not interested in policy, they're not interested in that, they only want to attack, and the only way to succeed against people like that, is to play their own game, but better.
Of course they're interested in policy, it's just that Clinton's policy positions are pretty straightforward and obvious: eight more years of the current mainstream democratic party platform. Once you've stated the obvious on policy, which doesn't take very long, all that's left is pointing out the many ways in which Trump is horrible (and continues to invent new ways to be horrible) and maybe convince some of the republicans that Trump is so obviously unqualified that they should cross over and vote D as the lesser of the two evils.
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There is no such thing as a hobby without politics. "Leave politics at the door" is itself a political statement, an endorsement of the status quo and an attempt to silence dissenting voices. |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/10/08 09:33:41
Subject: Re:US Politics
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[MOD]
Anti-piracy Officer
Somewhere in south-central England.
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Are Clinton and Trump both equally bad? Let's look at the example of their charitable foundations.
The Clinton Foundation has for 20 years operated to collect and channel donations to genuine causes, achieving high efficiency in the money going into actual work rather than bureaucracy. This is a favourable efficiency rate compared to many major charities. The Foundation has been given a platinum status by the independent Guidestar monitor.
The Trump Foundation is a much smaller affair that has no staff and gathers donations mainly from Trump's friends and business associates. It has made a number of questionable payments, for example, accepting $150,000 from the Charles Evans Foundation of New Jersey, then giving $150,000 to the Palm Beach Police Association, which then spent over $240,000 to hold its annual convention at Trump's Mar-a-Largo club in Palm Beach. The Trump Foundation has been disbarred by the New York charity authority.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/10/08 11:00:19
Subject: Re:US Politics
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Last Remaining Whole C'Tan
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Sorry, I was being sarcastic. No, they're not equally bad, by a long shot.
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lord_blackfang wrote:Respect to the guy who subscribed just to post a massive ASCII dong in the chat and immediately get banned.
Flinty wrote:The benefit of slate is that its.actually a.rock with rock like properties. The downside is that it's a rock |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/10/08 11:31:41
Subject: Re:US Politics
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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I wonder if the next debate will talk about the climate question as well. Could be funny to see if Trump will still draw his conspiracy theory card.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/10/08 12:15:46
Subject: US Politics
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Courageous Grand Master
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Peregrine wrote: Rainbow Dash wrote:They're not interested in policy, they're not interested in that, they only want to attack, and the only way to succeed against people like that, is to play their own game, but better.
Of course they're interested in policy, it's just that Clinton's policy positions are pretty straightforward and obvious: eight more years of the current mainstream democratic party platform. Once you've stated the obvious on policy, which doesn't take very long, all that's left is pointing out the many ways in which Trump is horrible (and continues to invent new ways to be horrible) and maybe convince some of the republicans that Trump is so obviously unqualified that they should cross over and vote D as the lesser of the two evils.
Well, if Clinton wins, and it's a small if, we can pretty much guarantee what the next four years of US foreign policy will look like: same as the last 4 years.
That means more civilians being killed by drone strikes, more disastrous involvement in places like Libya and Syria, and more tension and stand off with Russia, and a few camels getting blown up by cruise missiles.
In short, the same aimless, listless, lack of strategy, make it up as you go along, foreign policy...
Automatically Appended Next Post: Ouze wrote:Sorry, I was being sarcastic. No, they're not equally bad, by a long shot.
Thank God there's only four more weeks of this circus...thank God...
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"Our crops will wither, our children will die piteous
deaths and the sun will be swept from the sky. But is it true?" - Tom Kirby, CEO, Games Workshop Ltd |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/10/08 12:33:28
Subject: Re:US Politics
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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Peregrine wrote:
So you're voting for Clinton then? Because that's the most effective way to keep Trump out.
Trump 2.0, however...
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/10/08 13:38:27
Subject: Re:US Politics
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Did Fulgrim Just Behead Ferrus?
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Kilkrazy wrote:Are Clinton and Trump both equally bad? Let's look at the example of their charitable foundations.
The Clinton Foundation has for 20 years operated to collect and channel donations to genuine causes, achieving high efficiency in the money going into actual work rather than bureaucracy. This is a favourable efficiency rate compared to many major charities. The Foundation has been given a platinum status by the independent Guidestar monitor.
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To be fair, there is the shadow of the pay-to-meet-the-Secretary drama over the Foundation. But, at least that money still did go to a charitable cause, rather than buy a painting of Hillary that she could hang on the wall of her golf club.
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"Through the darkness of future past, the magician longs to see.
One chants out between two worlds: Fire, walk with me." - Twin Peaks
"You listen to me. While I will admit to a certain cynicism, the fact is that I am a naysayer and hatchetman in the fight against violence. I pride myself in taking a punch and I'll gladly take another because I choose to live my life in the company of Gandhi and King. My concerns are global. I reject absolutely revenge, aggression, and retaliation. The foundation of such a method... is love. I love you Sheriff Truman." - Twin Peaks |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/10/08 15:20:53
Subject: Re:US Politics
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Locked in the Tower of Amareo
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Ouze wrote: Ahtman wrote:She isn't that likable but she is a far better option than Trump and at this point the mere fact idiots might give him the White House out of stupidity or apathy is frustrating.
Well, they're both equally bad.
Getting flu and getting terminal cancer are both bad but hardly equally bad...
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/10/08 15:39:20
Subject: Re:US Politics
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5th God of Chaos! (Ho-hum)
Curb stomping in the Eye of Terror!
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tneva82 wrote: whembly wrote: Peregrine wrote:
Who said anything about worrying? I'm asking if you're ready to concede the obvious yet, that Trump (as you say) is completely awful and #NeverTrump means #VotingClinton.
feth no. She hasn't earned my vote.
So you are #ForTrump. Which has been clear all the time though. You claim you aren't for Trump but you know? Actions speak louder than words.
:sigh:
It's not a binary choice, and I'm sick of people perpetuating that.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/10/08 15:49:32
Subject: US Politics
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Assassin with Black Lotus Poison
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It is a binary choice when it comes down to whether/how much your vote will decrease the chances of Trump winning, which would presumably be your end goal if you are #NeverTrump. You would normally vote Republican no matter what, Whem. By voting third party you have decreased the Trump vote pool by 1, effectively. The third party candidate, however, has no chance in actually winning. If you were to vote for Clinton then not only would Trump lose a vote but the only opponent who can actually beat him also gains a vote, so you have doubled the effectiveness of your vote in keeping Trump out of the White House.
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The Laws of Thermodynamics:
1) You cannot win. 2) You cannot break even. 3) You cannot stop playing the game.
Colonel Flagg wrote:You think you're real smart. But you're not smart; you're dumb. Very dumb. But you've met your match in me. |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/10/08 15:58:05
Subject: US Politics
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5th God of Chaos! (Ho-hum)
Curb stomping in the Eye of Terror!
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A Town Called Malus wrote:It is a binary choice when it comes down to whether/how much your vote will decrease the chances of Trump winning, which would presumably be your end goal if you are #NeverTrump.
You would normally vote Republican no matter what, Whem. By voting third party you have decreased the Trump vote pool by 1, effectively. The third party candidate, however, has no chance in actually winning. If you were to vote for Clinton then not only would Trump lose a vote but the only opponent who can actually beat him also gains a vote, so you have doubled the effectiveness of your vote in keeping Trump out of the White House.
Again. My goal is BOTH #NeverClinton AND #Never Trump.
The candidate either has to earn my vote, or I'm participating in a "protest" vote.
I'm simply not going to pull that lever for Clinton nor Trump.
So, the other three candidates gets my vote (Stein, Johnson or McMullin).
I just find it really interesting that the Clinton supportors are essentially worry worts now.
Clinton's got this handily ya'll.
My 3rd party vote is simply a desire to raise the stature of the 3rd party.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/10/08 16:10:48
Subject: Re:US Politics
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whembly wrote:
:sigh:
It's not a binary choice, and I'm sick of people perpetuating that.
Candinates like trump benefit the less votes are cast. Since only two candinates can win casting others is same as no vote. Trump benefits.
Besides. Do you think your not voting trump claim is believable? Not buying it.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/10/08 16:12:27
Subject: Re:US Politics
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5th God of Chaos! (Ho-hum)
Curb stomping in the Eye of Terror!
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tneva82 wrote: whembly wrote:
:sigh:
It's not a binary choice, and I'm sick of people perpetuating that.
Candinates like trump benefit the less votes are cast. Since only two candinates can win casting others is same as no vote. Trump benefits.
So? I'm not responsible for how other people vote.
I'm responsible for MY vote.
Besides. Do you think your not voting trump claim is believable? Not buying it.
Believe what you will... I don't care.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/10/08 16:13:09
Subject: US Politics
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whembly wrote: A Town Called Malus wrote:It is a binary choice when it comes down to whether/how much your vote will decrease the chances of Trump winning, which would presumably be your end goal if you are #NeverTrump.
You would normally vote Republican no matter what, Whem. By voting third party you have decreased the Trump vote pool by 1, effectively. The third party candidate, however, has no chance in actually winning. If you were to vote for Clinton then not only would Trump lose a vote but the only opponent who can actually beat him also gains a vote, so you have doubled the effectiveness of your vote in keeping Trump out of the White House.
Again. My goal is BOTH #NeverClinton AND #Never Trump.
The candidate either has to earn my vote, or I'm participating in a "protest" vote.
I'm simply not going to pull that lever for Clinton nor Trump.
So, the other three candidates gets my vote (Stein, Johnson or McMullin).
I just find it really interesting that the Clinton supportors are essentially worry worts now.
Clinton's got this handily ya'll.
Apart vote not going to 3rd party even if it was it would still be for trump since your voting decision helps him. Candinate who has potential to get you killed in months btw
My 3rd party vote is simply a desire to raise the stature of the 3rd party. Automatically Appended Next Post: whembly wrote:[]
So? I'm not responsible for how other people vote.
I'm responsible for MY vote..
But since your decicion helps trump it makes your notrump a lie as you are fortrump
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/10/08 16:17:22
Subject: US Politics
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5th God of Chaos! (Ho-hum)
Curb stomping in the Eye of Terror!
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tneva82 wrote:
Automatically Appended Next Post:
whembly wrote:[]
So? I'm not responsible for how other people vote.
I'm responsible for MY vote..
But since your decicion helps trump it makes your notrump a lie as you are fortrump
No...again, stop with the binary choice.
This is part of the problem when voting... people get sucked into a herd mentality.
Besides. Why are you worried? Trump is going to lose... and lose badly.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/10/08 16:29:47
Subject: US Politics
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Longtime Dakkanaut
Wishing I was back at the South Atlantic, closer to ice than the sun
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whembly wrote:tneva82 wrote:
Automatically Appended Next Post:
whembly wrote:[]
So? I'm not responsible for how other people vote.
I'm responsible for MY vote..
But since your decicion helps trump it makes your notrump a lie as you are fortrump
No...again, stop with the binary choice.
This is part of the problem when voting... people get sucked into a herd mentality.
Besides. Why are you worried? Trump is going to lose... and lose badly.
Having just sat through the Brexit vote in which the pundits happily predicted that we would remain (including the 'exiteers'), never dismiss the ability of the populace to make unexpected choices.
Cheers
Andrew
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I don't care what the flag says, I'm SCOTTISH!!!
Best definition of the word Battleship?
Mr Nobody wrote:
Does a canoe with a machine gun count?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/10/08 17:00:45
Subject: US Politics
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[MOD]
Anti-piracy Officer
Somewhere in south-central England.
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whembly wrote: A Town Called Malus wrote:It is a binary choice when it comes down to whether/how much your vote will decrease the chances of Trump winning, which would presumably be your end goal if you are #NeverTrump.
You would normally vote Republican no matter what, Whem. By voting third party you have decreased the Trump vote pool by 1, effectively. The third party candidate, however, has no chance in actually winning. If you were to vote for Clinton then not only would Trump lose a vote but the only opponent who can actually beat him also gains a vote, so you have doubled the effectiveness of your vote in keeping Trump out of the White House.
Again. My goal is BOTH #NeverClinton AND #Never Trump.
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You're not going to get that. Either Trump or Clinton will win the election. The other two don't have a chance. They couldn't even summon the votes to get into the debate.
If you you genuinely want to help build a "third way" in American politics, it can't be done just by casting your ballot for a Libertarian or Green Party member. You need to get out there and organise.
It's hard work, and it's much easier for people to sit around discussing how their "protest vote" is going to change the system. But that is just a cop-out, like a social media campaign that consists of Twitter hashtags. People feel cool because #SmashTheSystem trended, but it doesn't make any difference.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/10/08 17:05:49
Subject: US Politics
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Quick-fingered Warlord Moderatus
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So yea. Trump's mouth is his most dangerous asset, I think he torpedoed any semblance of a chance of having any sort of significant female vote.
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