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 jasper76 wrote:
Wow...you plug out for a couple days, and when you plug back in, a full unit of Space Marines have accused Donald Trump of sexual assault.

Thus far it looks to be opportunists used by the Clinton machine to try and discredit Trump; Jessica Leeds has already been debunked. I have no doubt Trump has had his way with some women however they wait decades before saying anything?

The corporate media collusion is strong here, and that's verifiable. Wikileaks is dropping bombs like crazy but too many Americans plug their ears because a big orange meanie is a little too loud. Trump's recent speech called them out and set the floor. It's sad that an orange business carrot is our last hope, but that's what it comes to when the Clintons and their cronies and supporters can get away with most anything.

 The Airman wrote:

 jasper76 wrote:
Wow...you plug out for a couple days, and when you plug back in, a full unit of Space Marines have accused Donald Trump of sexual assault.

Thus far it looks to be opportunists used by the Clinton machine to try and discredit Trump; Jessica Leeds has already been debunked. I have no doubt Trump has had his way with some women however they wait decades before saying anything?

Because Donald Trump is a giant, bullying Oompa-Loompa who threatens to sue instead of singing passive-aggressive songs about your personal failings. He doesn't sue as much as he says he does, but he DOES use the legal system in the worst possible ways. Why is it so hard to believe he can get away with groping people for years if Bill Cosby can be the world's rapiest Jello enthusiast? He is on tape bragging about this behavior!

He is on tape.

Do you mean 'discredited', or do you mean 'a man on a flight doesn't remember someone else on the flight being groped'?

The fact remains that none of these women came forward until the October Surprise season. It's almost as if the establishment and the elite are crapping themselves over a populist victory and are doing everything they can do discredit said populist because "feels > reals".

I'm not going to pretend Trump is a saint, but it's simply beyond terrible judgement to vote for someone like Hillary. We KNOW she's bulletproof. If anyone else had even done a fifth of what she and her husband had done they'd be in the slammer. Trump? He'll be impeached at the first available opportunity.

In short I'm going back to what I originally said: I'm choosing the horse pill over the cyanide tablet. I want to see Hillary & her cohorts in jail, and I'm not going to feel better about myself if I try and make Trump out to be the Boogeyman in order to try and justify a Clinton presidency.

Oddly enough, Trump lost this election because of a moment in his life when he told himself it was OK to violate women.

It's easier for you to believe that Hillary Clinton kept all these people from saying something until just the right political moment than it is for you to believe that hearing him say he'd never do anything like what he did to them on national television - and seeing other people come forward with the same stories - might have prompted a reaction?

Then you'll love his latest explanation for his sinking popularity - it's because the media is being controlled by a shadowy conspiracy out to get him, which includes the Clintons, a cabal of 'international bankers', and that super-rich Mexican guy.

 The Airman wrote:
The fact remains that none of these women came forward until the October Surprise season. It's almost as if the establishment and the elite are crapping themselves over a populist victory and are doing everything they can do discredit said populist because "feels > reals".

Ah yes, certainly we need to use EXTREME SKEPTICISM about the possibility that a man who says "I can sexually assault women because I'm wealthy and powerful" might have done exactly that. Obviously these women are all liars and part of a plot by Clinton to deny Trump the presidency that is rightfully his.

I'm not going to pretend Trump is a saint, but it's simply beyond terrible judgement to vote for someone like Hillary. We KNOW she's bulletproof. If anyone else had even done a fifth of what she and her husband had done they'd be in the slammer.

I see, so the investigations that concluded "they haven't done anything illegal" are all irrelevant because you've decided that they must be guilty? What could possibly convince you that she isn't guilty? If an investigation had found her guilty you'd be using it as evidence that she was, but if that same investigation comes to the opposite conclusion it's proof that she's "bulletproof" and guilty anyway. This is the kind of argument the black helicopters and tinfoil hats crowd uses to "prove" their pet conspiracy theories, not a reasonable thing to believe.

PS: previously in this thread we've posted examples of republicans that were guilty of similar mishandling of classified information and received similar "don't do this again please" punishments for it.

Trump? He'll be impeached at the first available opportunity.

This is an extremely optimistic belief. Remember, Trump does not exist in isolation. The angry mobs that voted for him and gave him the nomination (and not by a tiny margin) still exist even if you impeach Trump. If he somehow manages to win the election it will be clear proof to republican leadership that Trump's beliefs are popular and win elections. The most likely result of that realization is the republican party embracing Trump's positions and its various candidates trying to position themselves as his heir for a 2024 run. Crossing party lines to vote with the democrats for impeachment would be committing political suicide.

I want to see Hillary & her cohorts in jail

Fortunately in this country we have something called "innocent until proven guilty", which means that when a person is accused of a crime, investigated, and cleared they don't go to jail just because some person on the internet wants it. Clinton is not going to jail because there is no credible evidence that she committed any crimes.

and I'm not going to feel better about myself if I try and make Trump out to be the Boogeyman in order to try and justify a Clinton presidency.

You don't need to make him out to be anything, his own words and lack of qualifications speak for themselves. Trump is a truly awful person, his policy positions (so far as he bothers to state any) range from the blatantly unconstitutional to the utterly insane, and his entire claim to being qualified for the job is based on his career as a failed businessman who would have been better off putting his money in a bank account and letting someone else run his investments. Racism and vague promises to "make America great again" are not enough. And if you're honest with yourself you have to admit that Trump is every bit as bad as people say he is, since you believe he'll be impeached as soon as possible.

 The Airman wrote:

 feeder wrote:

 The Airman wrote:

A vote for Hillary is a continuation of aggression towards Russia, and a cyanide tablet.

I am comfortable saying this is alarmist hyperbole. Hils didn't spend her life building a career in politics just to push the big red button on her first day.

Narcissist Racist Gakstain Sex Fondler, on the other hand, I can see kicking off a worldwide Fallout 4 cosplay because Putin doesn't love him back.

When you corner a bear and threaten action, don't be surprised when it wants to maul you if you do actually carry out said action. I don't buy the MSM narrative about Trump as the Wikileaks documents prove partisan collusion against Trump.

He's not the greatest/worst ever but he actually wants to work with Russia instead of confirming the Kremlin's narrative that we want to attack them. You should perhaps look up what a no fly zone is and our government's strategy in Syria before crapping on Trump.

Edit: Damn autocorrect.

I don't think anybody needs to crap on Trump. Every time he opens his mouth he does a fine job of that all by himself.

Trump has such a great team!

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/video_and_audio/headlines/37661793

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-us-2016-37661794

 The Airman wrote:

 jasper76 wrote:
Wow...you plug out for a couple days, and when you plug back in, a full unit of Space Marines have accused Donald Trump of sexual assault.

Thus far it looks to be opportunists used by the Clinton machine to try and discredit Trump; Jessica Leeds has already been debunked. I have no doubt Trump has had his way with some women however they wait decades before saying anything?

The corporate media collusion is strong here, and that's verifiable. Wikileaks is dropping bombs like crazy but too many Americans plug their ears because a big orange meanie is a little too loud. Trump's recent speech called them out and set the floor. It's sad that an orange business carrot is our last hope, but that's what it comes to when the Clintons and their cronies and supporters can get away with most anything.

I'm pretty sure it's not the volume of that "...big orange meanie...", but the xenophobic, racist, sexist, idiotic and just wrong dribble that he spews. People can deal with volume, a never ending stream of moronic gak...not so much.
Saying he's "...our last hope..." is just absurd in the extreme. "Our last hope" against what, exactly? The 5% unemployment we have? The stock market at record highs that we have? The security of the strongest military in the world? The almost nonexistent inflation we enjoy? The greatest amount of Americans covered by medical insurance currently? The whole "Make America Great Again" is such bs, I can't believe anyone buys it. How fear addled do you have to be to believe such a fantasy? "The last hope" for a basket of deplorables maybe, not America though.

I understand this forum is a majority heavily left leaning, and I'm left leaning myself. However I realize the greater danger here.

 Peregrine wrote:

Ah yes, certainly we need to use EXTREME SKEPTICISM about the possibility that a man who says "I can sexually assault women because I'm wealthy and powerful" might have done exactly that. Obviously these women are all liars and part of a plot by Clinton to deny Trump the presidency that is rightfully his.

I never said that Trump never did do anything of the sort, but merely these women are opportunistic.

I see, so the investigations that concluded "they haven't done anything illegal" are all irrelevant because you've decided that they must be guilty? What could possibly convince you that she isn't guilty? If an investigation had found her guilty you'd be using it as evidence that she was, but if that same investigation comes to the opposite conclusion it's proof that she's "bulletproof" and guilty anyway. This is the kind of argument the black helicopters and tinfoil hats crowd uses to "prove" their pet conspiracy theories, not a reasonable thing to believe.

Actually Comey came out and said she did violate the law, but it wasn't done maliciously therefore no one would prosecute her. Seriously, watch the fifteen minute speech and come back to this thread. Wikileaks proved both Clinton and Comey liars. Funny, that.

This is an extremely optimistic belief. Remember, Trump does not exist in isolation. The angry mobs that voted for him and gave him the nomination (and not by a tiny margin) still exist even if you impeach Trump. If he somehow manages to win the election it will be clear proof to republican leadership that Trump's beliefs are popular and win elections. The most likely result of that realization is the republican party embracing Trump's positions and its various candidates trying to position themselves as his heir for a 2024 run. Crossing party lines to vote with the democrats for impeachment would be committing political suicide.

The Republican party is is disarray with Trump much like the Democratic party is/was with Sanders and Clinton. The establishment on both sides fears this man, I saw we give him a shot. It's better than letting Clinton off the hook yet again.

Fortunately in this country we have something called "innocent until proven guilty", which means that when a person is accused of a crime, investigated, and cleared they don't go to jail just because some person on the internet wants it. Clinton is not going to jail because there is no credible evidence that she committed any crimes.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AFGiZT-MnI4

Also, Wikileaks. Seriously. Stop tooting your horn and see how dirty her and her cohorts are.

You don't need to make him out to be anything, his own words and lack of qualifications speak for themselves. Trump is a truly awful person, his policy positions (so far as he bothers to state any) range from the blatantly unconstitutional to the utterly insane, and his entire claim to being qualified for the job is based on his career as a failed businessman who would have been better off putting his money in a bank account and letting someone else run his investments. Racism and vague promises to "make America great again" are not enough. And if you're honest with yourself you have to admit that Trump is every bit as bad as people say he is, since you believe he'll be impeached as soon as possible.

Citations needed. As long as we avoid our insane confrontations with Russia and Syria and we actually prosecute and use the rule of law to determine the guilt or innocence between everyone involved. Keep plugging your ears friendo.


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 BigWaaagh wrote:

 The Airman wrote:

 jasper76 wrote:
Wow...you plug out for a couple days, and when you plug back in, a full unit of Space Marines have accused Donald Trump of sexual assault.

Thus far it looks to be opportunists used by the Clinton machine to try and discredit Trump; Jessica Leeds has already been debunked. I have no doubt Trump has had his way with some women however they wait decades before saying anything?

The corporate media collusion is strong here, and that's verifiable. Wikileaks is dropping bombs like crazy but too many Americans plug their ears because a big orange meanie is a little too loud. Trump's recent speech called them out and set the floor. It's sad that an orange business carrot is our last hope, but that's what it comes to when the Clintons and their cronies and supporters can get away with most anything.

I'm pretty sure it's not the volume of that "...big orange meanie...", but the xenophobic, racist, sexist, idiotic and just wrong dribble that he spews. People can deal with volume, a never ending stream of moronic gak...not so much. Saying he's "...our last hope..." is just absurd in the extreme. The last hope for a basket of deplorables maybe, not America though.

If you keep using labels like those, you're going to devalue the terms in their entirety.

Trump is by far the greater danger to the Republic. To suggest otherwise at this point is foolish and discrediting to your own character.

 The Airman wrote:
I understand this forum is a majority heavily left leaning, and I'm left leaning myself. However I realize the greater danger here.

 Peregrine wrote:

Ah yes, certainly we need to use EXTREME SKEPTICISM about the possibility that a man who says "I can sexually assault women because I'm wealthy and powerful" might have done exactly that. Obviously these women are all liars and part of a plot by Clinton to deny Trump the presidency that is rightfully his.

I never said that Trump never did do anything of the sort, but merely these women are opportunistic.

I see, so the investigations that concluded "they haven't done anything illegal" are all irrelevant because you've decided that they must be guilty? What could possibly convince you that she isn't guilty? If an investigation had found her guilty you'd be using it as evidence that she was, but if that same investigation comes to the opposite conclusion it's proof that she's "bulletproof" and guilty anyway. This is the kind of argument the black helicopters and tinfoil hats crowd uses to "prove" their pet conspiracy theories, not a reasonable thing to believe.

Actually Comey came out and said she did violate the law, but it wasn't done maliciously therefore no one would prosecute her. Seriously, watch the fifteen minute speech and come back to this thread. Wikileaks proved both Clinton and Comey liars. Funny, that.

This is an extremely optimistic belief. Remember, Trump does not exist in isolation. The angry mobs that voted for him and gave him the nomination (and not by a tiny margin) still exist even if you impeach Trump. If he somehow manages to win the election it will be clear proof to republican leadership that Trump's beliefs are popular and win elections. The most likely result of that realization is the republican party embracing Trump's positions and its various candidates trying to position themselves as his heir for a 2024 run. Crossing party lines to vote with the democrats for impeachment would be committing political suicide.

The Republican party is is disarray with Trump much like the Democratic party is/was with Sanders and Clinton. The establishment on both sides fears this man, I saw we give him a shot. It's better than letting Clinton off the hook yet again.

Fortunately in this country we have something called "innocent until proven guilty", which means that when a person is accused of a crime, investigated, and cleared they don't go to jail just because some person on the internet wants it. Clinton is not going to jail because there is no credible evidence that she committed any crimes.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AFGiZT-MnI4

Also, Wikileaks. Seriously. Stop tooting your horn and see how dirty her and her cohorts are.

You don't need to make him out to be anything, his own words and lack of qualifications speak for themselves. Trump is a truly awful person, his policy positions (so far as he bothers to state any) range from the blatantly unconstitutional to the utterly insane, and his entire claim to being qualified for the job is based on his career as a failed businessman who would have been better off putting his money in a bank account and letting someone else run his investments. Racism and vague promises to "make America great again" are not enough. And if you're honest with yourself you have to admit that Trump is every bit as bad as people say he is, since you believe he'll be impeached as soon as possible.

Citations needed. As long as we avoid our insane confrontations with Russia and Syria and we actually prosecute and use the rule of law to determine the guilt or innocence between everyone involved. Keep plugging your ears friendo.


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 BigWaaagh wrote:

 The Airman wrote:

 jasper76 wrote:
Wow...you plug out for a couple days, and when you plug back in, a full unit of Space Marines have accused Donald Trump of sexual assault.

Thus far it looks to be opportunists used by the Clinton machine to try and discredit Trump; Jessica Leeds has already been debunked. I have no doubt Trump has had his way with some women however they wait decades before saying anything?

The corporate media collusion is strong here, and that's verifiable. Wikileaks is dropping bombs like crazy but too many Americans plug their ears because a big orange meanie is a little too loud. Trump's recent speech called them out and set the floor. It's sad that an orange business carrot is our last hope, but that's what it comes to when the Clintons and their cronies and supporters can get away with most anything.

I'm pretty sure it's not the volume of that "...big orange meanie...", but the xenophobic, racist, sexist, idiotic and just wrong dribble that he spews. People can deal with volume, a never ending stream of moronic gak...not so much. Saying he's "...our last hope..." is just absurd in the extreme. The last hope for a basket of deplorables maybe, not America though.

If you keep using labels like those, you're going to devalue the terms in their entirety.

Under normal circumstances, maybe. For him, no. Not even close. I don't think it's possible to paint him in terms that could be devalued versus the actual reality they portray.

@Jasper76: *HOW* is he dangerous? I keep hearing about how great a danger Trump is, and how sexist, mysoginistic, racist and everything else hurled his way. Please, convince me. Because all the people on my side see is media collusion and federal corruption. Bernie being bumped off the DNC was maddening enough but this has reached irredeemable proportions of insanity all around.

I'm not saying Trump is the greatest thing ever but only that we have to put up with him in order for legal proceedings to be carried out. Seriously, if you had a clue as to half the things HRC has done you wouldn't be so eager to defend her potential candidacy.

Trump is dangerous first and foremost because he is cozy with Vladimir Putin and the Rxussian Federation.

Shall we continue? (It will take me several responses before we get to the fact that he is a sexual predator, I promise)

 The Airman wrote:
I never said that Trump never did do anything of the sort, but merely these women are opportunistic.

Even if it's true, why does it matter? Whether or not Trump did what he is accused of doing does not depend on the motivations of his accusers. Calling them "opportunistic" just discredits them and tries to minimize the damage.

Actually Comey came out and said she did violate the law, but it wasn't done maliciously therefore no one would prosecute her. Seriously, watch the fifteen minute speech and come back to this thread. Wikileaks proved both Clinton and Comey liars. Funny, that.

And, as pointed out, previous high-level politicians (including Clinton's predecessor) mishandled classified information in similarly "illegal" ways and were not punished for it. While the email thing may technically have been illegal it was the kind of illegal where everyone looks the other way and says "please don't do it again", much like cops not putting much effort into catching and punishing people for smoking pot.

The establishment on both sides fears this man, I saw we give him a shot. It's better than letting Clinton off the hook yet again.

Are you serious? We should elect a truly awful rage-bigot who is completely unqualified for the job just because everyone hates him? Do you honestly think that this is a good idea?

Also, Wikileaks. Seriously. Stop tooting your horn and see how dirty her and her cohorts are.

And yet somehow the "evidence" on wikileaks was not enough to convince the courts and convict her of anything.

Citations needed.

Citation: everything Trump has said as a candidate. His border wall is outright lunacy, his foreign policy is terrifying to the experts, his business history is a matter of public record. And, like I said, even the Trump supporters here can't really come up with anything to defend him. It's all "he'll be ineffective because congress won't tolerate him" or "the supreme court matters most and at least he's a republican". They'd be quite happy with a rock with an R label on it sitting in the white house.

As long as we avoid our insane confrontations with Russia and Syria and we actually prosecute and use the rule of law to determine the guilt or innocence between everyone involved.

And who is more likely to avoid a confrontation getting out of control: the mainstream candidate with foreign policy experience, or the angry outsider who thinks he can just tell everyone what to do because he's the boss?

 The Airman wrote:
@Jasper76: *HOW* is he dangerous? I keep hearing about how great a danger Trump is, and how sexist, mysoginistic, racist and everything else hurled his way. Please, convince me. Because all the people on my side see is media collusion and federal corruption. Bernie being bumped off the DNC was maddening enough but this has reached irredeemable proportions of insanity all around.

I'm not saying Trump is the greatest thing ever but only that we have to put up with him in order for legal proceedings to be carried out. Seriously, if you had a clue as to half the things HRC has done you wouldn't be so eager to defend her potential candidacy.

Did you actually ask "*HOW* is he dangerous?" If it wasn't late, I could fill pages! Part of me actually wonders how you can ask that with a straight face!
I'll throw out this little beauty of a remark he made early in his campaign. He was bragging on his business acumen, his negotiating skills in particular and said he'd renegotiate the US debt. That's 20TUSD of debt bought with the good faith of the US behind it. If this idiot actually followed through on this, you'd see an absolute collapse in our economy, the world economy and business failures that couldn't even be fathomed as credit markets would not only seize up, but cease to exist. No credit markets, no economy, period. No, this is not hyperbole, this is fact. Our debt holders would dump our debt en masse and that domino would take the world with it. When it came time to issue new debt and rollover existing debt, which we do on a regular basis, there would be absolutely nobody in line for that paper.

 jasper76 wrote:
Trump is dangerous first and foremost because he is cozy with Vladimir Putin and the Rxussian Federation.

Shall we continue? (It will take me several responses before we get to the fact that he is a sexual predator, I promise)

I can't comment on whether of not Trump has good relations with Putin, but I seriously doubt they are cozy. As long as he's willing to work with the Russians all the while being firm, I'm happy. Our relations with Russia are at the lowest they've been since the Cold War. Maybe we should do more than vilify them at every turn and give the Kremlin propaganda outlets more ammunition.

Please, continue. I consider not trading ICBMs a good thing.

The people who stick with Trump now just look foolish, Paul Ryan made the smart move. I don't think Pence will survive his defense of Trump in 2020. I think Ryan is easily the best candidate to run against Clinton or the DNC in 2020.

Everyone beware Cory Booker, he is destined to be our next Emperor

 BigWaaagh wrote:

 The Airman wrote:
@Jasper76: *HOW* is he dangerous? I keep hearing about how great a danger Trump is, and how sexist, mysoginistic, racist and everything else hurled his way. Please, convince me. Because all the people on my side see is media collusion and federal corruption. Bernie being bumped off the DNC was maddening enough but this has reached irredeemable proportions of insanity all around.

I'm not saying Trump is the greatest thing ever but only that we have to put up with him in order for legal proceedings to be carried out. Seriously, if you had a clue as to half the things HRC has done you wouldn't be so eager to defend her potential candidacy.

Did you actually ask "*HOW* is he dangerous?" If it wasn't late, I could fill pages! Part of me actually wonders how you can ask that with a straight face!
I'll throw out this little beauty of a remark he made early in his campaign. He was bragging on his business acumen, his negotiating skills in particular and said he'd renegotiate the US debt. That's 20TUSD of debt bought with the good faith of the US behind it. If this idiot actually followed through on this, you'd see an absolute collapse in our economy, the world economy and business failures that couldn't even be fathomed as credit markets would not only seize up, but cease to exist. No credit markets, no economy, period. No, this is not hyperbole, this is fact. Our debt holders would dump our debt en masse and that domino would take the world with it. When it came time to issue new debt and rollover existing debt, which we do on a regular basis, there would be absolutely nobody in line for that paper.

I would agree that it's a very bad move if he were to follow through on it. Half of me wants to say he was blowing hot air just like any other politician. You see, I'm not going to blindly support everything he says. I'm only backing him for a select few reasons.

Some fundamentally different approaches appear to be what separates us.

 The Airman wrote:

 jasper76 wrote:
Trump is dangerous first and foremost because he is cozy with Vladimir Putin and the Rxussian Federation.

Shall we continue? (It will take me several responses before we get to the fact that he is a sexual predator, I promise)

I can't comment on whether of not Trump has good relations with Putin, but I seriously doubt they are cozy. As long as he's willing to work with the Russians all the while being firm, I'm happy. Our relations with Russia are at the lowest they've been since the Cold War. Maybe we should do more than vilify them at every turn and give the Kremlin propaganda outlets more ammunition.

Please, continue. I consider not trading ICBMs a good thing.

OK, if a subordinate relationship to Russia doesn't bother you.

B) Trump is a narcissistic imbecile incapable of running the executive branch of the government, so in a Trump administration, the executive powers of government would be quickly relegated to shady unelected officials like Steve Bannon and the moron surrogates who plague our television screens daily like Ben Carson, Rudolph Guiliani, Chris Christie, Kellyanne Conway, Lewandowski, etc.

 The Airman wrote:
@Jasper76: *HOW* is he dangerous?

Because he's unqualified. If you're paying someone to fix your car do you take it to a licensed mechanic with good reviews, or do you take it to some random guy who has no apparent knowledge of fixing cars but is a "new perspective" on the subject?

And that's on top of the utter lunacy of his plans: the border wall, talking about ordering US soldiers to commit war crimes, breaking up NATO, etc. I don't see how you can be afraid of Clinton starting a fight with Russia when Trump is openly advocating putting an end to the anti-Russia alliance.

I keep hearing about how great a danger Trump is, and how sexist, mysoginistic, racist and everything else hurled his way.

Again, have you seen the things he's said? "Grab her by the ", "a taco truck on every corner", etc. Trump has earned those labels.

I'm not saying Trump is the greatest thing ever but only that we have to put up with him in order for legal proceedings to be carried out.

What legal proceedings? And why is it so important to punish Clinton? You're talking about electing a bigoted narcissist with no qualifications to run the country just so you can punish Clinton, after she's (presumably) out of power and unable to cause any future harm. Forget shooting yourself in the foot, that's outright bullet-through-the-head suicide just to make a point.

Seriously, if you had a clue as to half the things HRC has done you wouldn't be so eager to defend her potential candidacy.

Things, none of which were proven in court. Republican conspiracy theories about Clinton are not the same thing as facts.

 The Airman wrote:

 jasper76 wrote:
Trump is dangerous first and foremost because he is cozy with Vladimir Putin and the Rxussian Federation.

Shall we continue? (It will take me several responses before we get to the fact that he is a sexual predator, I promise)

I can't comment on whether of not Trump has good relations with Putin, but I seriously doubt they are cozy. As long as he's willing to work with the Russians all the while being firm, I'm happy. Our relations with Russia are at the lowest they've been since the Cold War. Maybe we should do more than vilify them at every turn and give the Kremlin propaganda outlets more ammunition.

Please, continue. I consider not trading ICBMs a good thing.

http://www.inquisitr.com/3342943/donald-trump-russia-connection/

Please do a rudimentary search of Trump and his indebtedness to Russia and you'll understand the point a lot of those posting are trying to make to you. He's beholding to Putin. This is not a good thing.

Also, let's not forget that electing Trump means we get his anti-LGBT crusader vice president to go with him. I don't know about you, but for some of us putting Pence (or the republican party platform in general) anywhere near national-level power is a rather terrifying idea. And guess who gets to be president if Trump is impeached.

 The Airman wrote:

 BigWaaagh wrote:

 The Airman wrote:
@Jasper76: *HOW* is he dangerous? I keep hearing about how great a danger Trump is, and how sexist, mysoginistic, racist and everything else hurled his way. Please, convince me. Because all the people on my side see is media collusion and federal corruption. Bernie being bumped off the DNC was maddening enough but this has reached irredeemable proportions of insanity all around.

I'm not saying Trump is the greatest thing ever but only that we have to put up with him in order for legal proceedings to be carried out. Seriously, if you had a clue as to half the things HRC has done you wouldn't be so eager to defend her potential candidacy.

Did you actually ask "*HOW* is he dangerous?" If it wasn't late, I could fill pages! Part of me actually wonders how you can ask that with a straight face!
I'll throw out this little beauty of a remark he made early in his campaign. He was bragging on his business acumen, his negotiating skills in particular and said he'd renegotiate the US debt. That's 20TUSD of debt bought with the good faith of the US behind it. If this idiot actually followed through on this, you'd see an absolute collapse in our economy, the world economy and business failures that couldn't even be fathomed as credit markets would not only seize up, but cease to exist. No credit markets, no economy, period. No, this is not hyperbole, this is fact. Our debt holders would dump our debt en masse and that domino would take the world with it. When it came time to issue new debt and rollover existing debt, which we do on a regular basis, there would be absolutely nobody in line for that paper.

I would agree that it's a very bad move if he were to follow through on it. Half of me wants to say he was blowing hot air just like any other politician. You see, I'm not going to blindly support everything he says. I'm only backing him for a select few reasons.

Some fundamentally different approaches appear to be what separates us.

So you cherry pick what you like and disregard the rest as "hot air"? I actually remember reading about Germans that had pretty much those exact thoughts about Hitler. No, I'm not joking and I think it's absolutely a frightening parallel.
You can't get a little pregnant. I don't try and pretend clairvoyance with regards to what is hot air and what are his actual thoughts on actions if elected. He said what he said, that's not up for debate and when you're running for POTUS what you say has serious global ramifications.

 BigWaaagh wrote:

 The Airman wrote:

 jasper76 wrote:
Trump is dangerous first and foremost because he is cozy with Vladimir Putin and the Rxussian Federation.

Shall we continue? (It will take me several responses before we get to the fact that he is a sexual predator, I promise)

I can't comment on whether of not Trump has good relations with Putin, but I seriously doubt they are cozy. As long as he's willing to work with the Russians all the while being firm, I'm happy. Our relations with Russia are at the lowest they've been since the Cold War. Maybe we should do more than vilify them at every turn and give the Kremlin propaganda outlets more ammunition.

Please, continue. I consider not trading ICBMs a good thing.

http://www.inquisitr.com/3342943/donald-trump-russia-connection/

Please do a rudimentary search of Trump and his indebtedness to Russia and you'll understand the point a lot of those posting are trying to make to you. He's beholding to Putin. This is not a good thing.

Much can be said about Saudi connections to the US as well, and that's just the tip of the iceberg. The only thing patently obvious is Trump respects Putin but I wouldn't quite say they're in bed together as the MSM claims.

I'd say it's better to trade than make war.

Hey, remember a few pages ago where the awful thing about HRC is that she didn't believe the alleged victims of Bill Clinton, and smeared them as opportunists and liars? I just want to make sure everyone remembers that as we brand all the alleged victims of Donald Trump as opportunists and liars with not a trace of self-awareness.

 The Airman wrote:

 BigWaaagh wrote:

 The Airman wrote:

 jasper76 wrote:
Trump is dangerous first and foremost because he is cozy with Vladimir Putin and the Rxussian Federation.

Shall we continue? (It will take me several responses before we get to the fact that he is a sexual predator, I promise)

I can't comment on whether of not Trump has good relations with Putin, but I seriously doubt they are cozy. As long as he's willing to work with the Russians all the while being firm, I'm happy. Our relations with Russia are at the lowest they've been since the Cold War. Maybe we should do more than vilify them at every turn and give the Kremlin propaganda outlets more ammunition.

Please, continue. I consider not trading ICBMs a good thing.

http://www.inquisitr.com/3342943/donald-trump-russia-connection/

Please do a rudimentary search of Trump and his indebtedness to Russia and you'll understand the point a lot of those posting are trying to make to you. He's beholding to Putin. This is not a good thing.

Much can be said about Saudi connections to the US as well, and that's just the tip of the iceberg. The only thing patently obvious is Trump respects Putin but I wouldn't quite say they're in bed together as the MSM claims.

I'd say it's better to trade than make war.

I don't think anyone is warmongering here, I think your fears of a US/Russia nuke showdown, honestly, just aren't shared. I lived through the Cold War and watched it end, I know what that looks like. This isn't it.
Most points presented being that the POTUS should not be personally, or professionally, in a position of financial beholding to Russia, which Trump clearly is.

 Ouze wrote:
Hey, remember a few pages ago where the awful thing about HRC is that she didn't believe the alleged victims of Bill Clinton, and smeared them as opportunists and liars? I just want to make sure everyone remembers that as we brand all the alleged victims of Donald Trump as opportunists and liars with not a trace of self-awareness.

Freaking lol.

 The Airman wrote:
The fact remains that none of these women came forward until the October Surprise season. It's almost as if the establishment and the elite are crapping themselves over a populist victory and are doing everything they can do discredit said populist because "feels > reals".

I'm not going to pretend Trump is a saint, but it's simply beyond terrible judgement to vote for someone like Hillary. We KNOW she's bulletproof. If anyone else had even done a fifth of what she and her husband had done they'd be in the slammer. Trump? He'll be impeached at the first available opportunity.

In short I'm going back to what I originally said: I'm choosing the horse pill over the cyanide tablet. I want to see Hillary & her cohorts in jail, and I'm not going to feel better about myself if I try and make Trump out to be the Boogeyman in order to try and justify a Clinton presidency.

Voting trump is like playikg russian roulette with humans at stake. At least clinton is sane so isn't likely to start nuclear war. Trump could easily

 Peregrine wrote:


Because he's unqualified. If you're paying someone to fix your car do you take it to a licensed mechanic with good reviews, or do you take it to some random guy who has no apparent knowledge of fixing cars but is a "new perspective" on the subject?

More like putting a 10 year old school bully in charge of a nuclear sub. Sure, he *might* come up with some innovative, outside-the-box ideas because he's not part of 'the establishment' - you know, those guys who have been trained and have learned, and have actual experience of submarine warfare. But it's infinitely more likely that he'll either do something stupid and kill everyone on board, or will nuke his teacher's house because he's a dick.