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 Kilkrazy wrote:
Frankly it's ridiculous to compare the Clintons, probably the most investigated and media analysed couple on the planet, with Trump who has a tight control on media access and information about his various affairs, violent outbursts and so on.


It's not ridiculous for a right-winger with an absolute blind hate for everything showing the name "Clinton" in it..

And again, people focus on Clinton while they just dismiss what Trump said. I'm quite amazed that american people don't get that offended when Trump said the election should be canceled and him declared the winner just because he thinks that's what should be done.

I know people think it's just senseless garbage coming from his mouth, but honestly, what he's calling here is litterally calling for a civil war should he be the loser in the election. He can't accept anything else than him being the winner. That's what he's saying, and that's what his supporters are hearing.

Shouldn't a man like this be arrested for calling for civil disorder and rebellion, honestly? I mean, if he wasn't Trump with his money and being the Republican candidate.

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Had a chuckle at this.

Spoiler:

   
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Wishing I was back at the South Atlantic, closer to ice than the sun

As an outsider here, I really cant understand the witch hunt being conducted against Clinton.

Yes I understand that people are outraged against the double standards of high ranking officials not being dealt with correctly when they flout the rules and feel that they should be held accountable to the same standards.

But for all I've seen this entire escapade is as a result of an FBI investigation going waaay off grid on another matter entirely. And its still going on.

Cheers

Andrew

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 AndrewC wrote:
As an outsider here, I really cant understand the witch hunt being conducted against Clinton.

Yes I understand that people are outraged against the double standards of high ranking officials not being dealt with correctly when they flout the rules and feel that they should be held accountable to the same standards.

But for all I've seen this entire escapade is as a result of an FBI investigation going waaay off grid on another matter entirely. And its still going on.

Cheers

Andrew

Take a look at FBI Director's transcript last July:
https://www.fbi.gov/news/pressrel/press-releases/statement-by-fbi-director-james-b-comey-on-the-investigation-of-secretary-hillary-clinton2019s-use-of-a-personal-e-mail-system

Then look at what happened afterwards:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3876506/Hillary-Clinton-headlined-fundraiser-campaign-group-gave-500-000-wife-FBI-boss-investigated-emails-s-closely-linked-bid-power.html

That's just the flagarant gak.

This woman doesn't just stretch the truth like most other politicians... she downright a congenital liar.

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 whembly wrote:
she downright a congenital liar.


I don't think you understand what those words mean.

There is no such thing as a hobby without politics. "Leave politics at the door" is itself a political statement, an endorsement of the status quo and an attempt to silence dissenting voices. 
   
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 Peregrine wrote:
 whembly wrote:
she downright a congenital liar.


I don't think you understand what those words mean.


It's not the most standard way of saying it, but given congenital's definition, I can see how it works.

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Conceded the point that she is not the most honest person in the US But the level of intrusion is astonishing.

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 AndrewC wrote:


Conceded the point that she is not the most honest person in the US But the level of intrusion is astonishing.

What do you mean by "intrusion"?

She's been working/living in public office for 30-ish years... the Clintons are very secretive bunch.

...and made of Teflon!

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 AndrewC wrote:


Conceded the point that she is not the most honest person in the US But the level of intrusion is astonishing.


Is it? To a normal person, her "lapses" of secure materials is astonishing. Especially for someone who has spent nearly 3 decades living a life surrounded by said materials.

This isn't some Republican led witch hunt. This is the FBI, not some House committee. The only undue influence that you could ascribe to these guys is the Obama appointed Attorney General, and they aren't going to work to sink Clinton.

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Firstly, I never accused the Republicans of a witch hunt and I am not accusing the FBI of being biased. As I understand it, the original investigation arose as the result of an investigator exceeding what should have been the normal parameters of a financial investigation and going fishing into what should have been off limits waters.

And it has run and run. I make no comment to defend her or her actions. I am concerned at the level of scrutiny being aired in public.

This constant rehashing of the same data/situation is unsettling, and to me, reeks of being an attempt to find her guilty of something that she has already been found 'innocent' of. I thought double jeopardy was a legal establishment?

If it could be held that such a microscopic examination of a persons character is necessary to the validity of their fitness to hold office, where is the relevant dissection of Trump? Surely a man who sacks his entire workforce simply because he doesn't want to negotiate with a union should be held to the same standards?

I suppose to an outsider that's why I see it as a witch hunt, one party is being held to a much higher standard than the other.

Cheers

Andrew

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Curb stomping in the Eye of Terror!

NYPOST is having fun:
Spoiler:


Dikileak!

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If it weren't for the last 20 years of GOP witch hunts and accusations against her, there probably would have been some sort of actual consequence in the public's opinion about this.

A normal person might have been tanked by turning out to be secretive and bypassing government infrastructure to communicate with the people during her job, putting confidential documents at risk for exposure. By itself, that would sound bad for anyone.

But at this point she has been made out to be a lying vindictive bitch, who murders people left and right, probably made Bill watch as she cucked him as the Benghazi attacks were happening and the drones were streaming the deaths of Americans on her TV right as she climaxed, gaks on the constitution while pimping out our government to everybody with a dollar, and plots the downfall of our country with Obama. And after 20 years of trying to prove that, all we got is "sucks at emails". Compared to everything she has been accused of doing, the one thing she actually did seems laughable in comparison and the general public reacted accordingly.

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 whembly wrote:
NYPOST is having fun:
Spoiler:


Dikileak!


Those expressions are brilliant!

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Best definition of the word Battleship?
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Does a canoe with a machine gun count?
 
   
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Wow. Apart from everything else, Anthony Wiener seems to be in pretty good physical shape for a politician. No wonder he wants to show off for an audience.

Pity his audience frequently turns out to be a) not his wife and b) not of legal age.

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 djones520 wrote:
 Peregrine wrote:
 whembly wrote:
she downright a congenital liar.


I don't think you understand what those words mean.


It's not the most standard way of saying it, but given congenital's definition, I can see how it works.


It doesn't work at all. Saying someone is a "congenital liar" means you're talking about a brain problem where they're compelled to lie, just for the sake of lying. What Clinton does is the same kind of lies that all politicians do: promises to get a deal they want, damage control to minimize a scandal, etc. Making it out to be some kind of mental illness when a politician gets caught lying like a politician is not reasonable.

There is no such thing as a hobby without politics. "Leave politics at the door" is itself a political statement, an endorsement of the status quo and an attempt to silence dissenting voices. 
   
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Trump OTOH clearly is a compulsive liar. He lies reflexively about clear, easily observable facts, simply to slant any statement he is making at any one moment in time favourable to him.

I'm writing a load of fiction. My latest story starts here... This is the index of all the stories...

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 BobtheInquisitor wrote:
A Libertarian Sheriff?
And why not? It worked in "Blazing Saddles".


I just had to do it.

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Okay, I'm glad to see some people are seeing the humor in things.

http://newsthump.com/2016/10/27/destruction-of-walk-of-fame-star-leaves-donald-trump-down-to-his-last-six-horcruxes/

Destruction of Walk Of Fame star leaves Donald Trump down to his last six Horcruxes

Stabbing a copy of The Art Of The Deal with a Basilisk’s tooth is the next step to eliminating Donald Trump, according to experts this morning.



Donald Trump howled in agony and demanded a flask of serpent’s milk to help him recover some strength after the destruction of his first Horcrux on Hollywood’s Walk of Fame yesterday.

Trump, whose unusually-styled hair is believed to hide a face on the back of his head, is understood to have concealed fragments of his soul in multiple receptacles in an attempt to protect himself from defeat in the forthcoming election.

Fragments are believed to be hidden in places as diverse as the fabric of Trump Tower, a pussy he grabbed without warning in 2003, and Mike Pence’s unnaturally shining white head of hair.

The last Horcrux is believed to be the one national poll which has shown him in the lead. If destroyed, this would cause his organisation to fail and his acolytes, known as the Debt Eaters for their habit of bankruptcy, to disband.

“The Orange Lord is not concerned by this petty attack,” said a spokesman for the Trump campaign.

“Only a cowardly child would act like this, and Donald challenges his attacker to meet him in debate where he shall win, and win, and win again.”

To show he meant business, Trump took off his jacket and rolled up his sleeves to threaten anyone who would wish him harm.

However when Trump handed his jacket to his spokesman to hold, the spokesman cried ‘Dobby’s Free!’, and vanished.



 
   
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I didn't think destroying his star was funny, but yeah, the horcrux angle is.

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 Ouze wrote:
I didn't think destroying his star was funny, but yeah, the horcrux angle is.


I got a good laugh out of it. Which is actually saying something, as I don’t laugh out loud that often. When The Boy came over to see what I was laughing about, he actually got the political joke, being 10 and a huge Harry Potter fan.

For making a statement, I prefer the picture floating around of someone who built a little wall around the star. Makes the point, but without vandalism.

   
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Destroying the star was stupid, the Harry Potter reference was funny, but the real winner was the guy who built a little wall around the star.

Amidst the mists and coldest frosts he thrusts his fists against the posts and still insists he sees the ghosts.
 
   
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I early voted Friday. Got a sticker and everything. Was in line for 30 minutes at 9 AM.

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 Ahtman wrote:
Destroying the star was stupid, the Harry Potter reference was funny, but the real winner was the guy who built a little wall around the star.


Building the wall around it does nothing. It isn't even an insult because it's just "ayup, it's what Trump says he's gonna do". Destroying the star doesn't do anything either but at least it expresses real disdain.
   
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In other news...Trump supporter is arrested for comitting voter fraud.

https://thinkprogress.org/voter-fraud-trump-supporter-4063dfe775c1#.mi0f4g2jy
   
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 skyth wrote:
In other news...Trump supporter is arrested for comitting voter fraud.

https://thinkprogress.org/voter-fraud-trump-supporter-4063dfe775c1#.mi0f4g2jy

Throw the book at her.

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 Sarouan wrote:
 Kilkrazy wrote:
Frankly it's ridiculous to compare the Clintons, probably the most investigated and media analysed couple on the planet, with Trump who has a tight control on media access and information about his various affairs, violent outbursts and so on.


It's not ridiculous for a right-winger with an absolute blind hate for everything showing the name "Clinton" in it..

And again, people focus on Clinton while they just dismiss what Trump said. I'm quite amazed that american people don't get that offended when Trump said the election should be canceled and him declared the winner just because he thinks that's what should be done.

I know people think it's just senseless garbage coming from his mouth, but honestly, what he's calling here is litterally calling for a civil war should he be the loser in the election. He can't accept anything else than him being the winner. That's what he's saying, and that's what his supporters are hearing.

Shouldn't a man like this be arrested for calling for civil disorder and rebellion, honestly? I mean, if he wasn't Trump with his money and being the Republican candidate.


Trump isn't calling for a civil war, that's the narrative that the Clinton machine wants people to buy into. All he said was that he wouldn't "knee jerk" accept the results. I.E. he would review it to see if there were any shenanigans. Kind of like what Al Gore did in 2000.

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 skyth wrote:
In other news...Trump supporter is arrested for comitting voter fraud.

https://thinkprogress.org/voter-fraud-trump-supporter-4063dfe775c1#.mi0f4g2jy



“I wasn’t planning on doing it twice, it was spur of the moment,” Rote told the station. “The polls are rigged.”

Yep! For those of us that look at the utter gak coming out of the Trump camp, shaking our heads and writing it off as "Well, he's just pandering to the crowd!", we now see that the delusions and paranoia are not just political hyperbole, but the daily "reality" that's been bought hook, line and sinker by his gak-bag of deplorables.



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 whembly wrote:
 skyth wrote:
In other news...Trump supporter is arrested for comitting voter fraud.

https://thinkprogress.org/voter-fraud-trump-supporter-4063dfe775c1#.mi0f4g2jy

Throw the book at her.


One of those big, 16lb. leather bound 'History of Everything' tomes and hopefully it'll knock some sense into her.

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 skyth wrote:
In other news...Trump supporter is arrested for comitting voter fraud.

https://thinkprogress.org/voter-fraud-trump-supporter-4063dfe775c1#.mi0f4g2jy

Clearly all voting registrations for Trump voters need to be seized and investigated. It's the only way to be sure.

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 whembly wrote:
 skyth wrote:
In other news...Trump supporter is arrested for comitting voter fraud.

https://thinkprogress.org/voter-fraud-trump-supporter-4063dfe775c1#.mi0f4g2jy

Throw the book at her.


I'm seriously considering calling off work the day after the election, because even after explaining how population density works many of my coworkers are still convinced that if they can drive through town and see nothing but Trump signs there's no way Hillary could win without cheating

   
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 BigWaaagh wrote:
 skyth wrote:
In other news...Trump supporter is arrested for comitting voter fraud.

https://thinkprogress.org/voter-fraud-trump-supporter-4063dfe775c1#.mi0f4g2jy



“I wasn’t planning on doing it twice, it was spur of the moment,” Rote told the station. “The polls are rigged.”

Yep! For those of us that look at the utter gak coming out of the Trump camp, shaking our heads and writing it off as "Well, he's just pandering to the crowd!", we now see that the delusions and paranoia are not just political hyperbole, but the daily "reality" that's been bought hook, line and sinker by his gak-bag of deplorables.


Speaking of the "daily reality", there's a poll out that shows that Fox News viewers really do live in a different world. I tried to reformat the article to make it a little easier on the eyes than a whole bunch of lines.

Spoiler:
Fox News viewers really do see the world differently.

New data shows that Fox loyalists, when compared to the public at large, are far more pessimistic about America's future; are far more critical of President Obama's performance; are far more fearful of Hillary Clinton; and are more forgiving of Donald Trump. The sharp differences in opinion extend to beliefs about political corruption, voter fraud and media coordination with campaigns. Fox fans, when compared to fans of other networks, are far more likely to express concern about November's election results being manipulated. They are also more likely to agree with the sentiment that divisions in the United States are deeper than in the past.

The data -- from a new national poll by Suffolk University -- shows deep divisions, indeed. And it demonstrates why 21st Century Fox patriarch Rupert Murdoch recently told the Wall Street Journal that it would be "business suicide" to change Fox's editorial direction.
Related: Rupert Murdoch speaks out about contract talks with Megyn Kelly

Overall, the poll finds that the country is split about Clinton, with 46% of all respondents having a favorable view of her versus 47% unfavorable. Among people who rate Fox News as their most-trusted source of news, however, sentiments are much more solidly anti-Clinton, with 84% viewing her unfavorably, versus just 13% favorably. Similarly, 54% of all Suffolk respondents approve of President Obama's job performance, versus 41% who disapprove. But among Fox loyalists, the numbers are radically different, with 16% approving of the president's performance and 80% disapproving.

During the Obama presidency Fox News positioned itself as a voice of the opposition. Fox's most popular shows, like "The O'Reilly Factor," reinforced these sentiments. If Clinton is elected president, Fox's audience will expect more of the same. Fox News says it reaches many independents and some Democrats. But several surveys, including Suffolk's, shows that Fox's base is passionately pro-Republican, aligning with GOP positions and GOP candidates.

Suffolk's polls ask many of the same questions that other pollsters ask during presidential election years -- but add a layer of questions about media consumption on top. The Suffolk pollsters ask: "What TV news or commentary source do you trust the most?" In the most recent poll, 270 of the 1,000 respondents said Fox -- the single highest result of any of the networks named in the poll. This reflects Fox's tight grip on conservatives. More than 70% of the respondents who chose Fox described themselves as "conservative" or "very conservative." 154 respondents said they trusted CNN the most. The rest chose MSNBC, ABC, NBC, CBS, C-SPAN or PBS. A small number chose Comedy Central.

The smaller the numbers get, the wider the margin of error, and the less reliable the data becomes. But Suffolk's poll is clear about the divergence between Fox loyalists and others. An example: Only 14% of people who say they trust Fox the most say the country is headed in the right direction. 81% say it's on the wrong track. The divide is not nearly so extreme among other respondents. For example, 55% of people who rate CNN as their most-trusted source say "right direction," and 35% say "wrong track."

Suffolk's polling can't answer the obvious chicken-or-egg question. Do people have these views because they watch Fox, or are they drawn to Fox (with its "fair and balanced" slogan) because they already have these views? In many cases, the opinions of self-described "conservative" and "very conservative" people overlap quite closely with Fox loyalists. In Suffolk's most recent poll, 74% of people with conservative views, 73% of people with very conservative views and 84% of people who trust Fox the most say they have an unfavorable opinion of Clinton.

Overall, 61% of respondents have an unfavorable view of Trump, while 31% said their view of him is favorable. Among Fox's partisans, the numbers are flipped, with 68% reporting a favorable view of the candidate and 23% reporting an unfavorable view. Keep that number in mind: 23% unfavorable. Among people who say they trust CNN, ABC, NBC, CBS, or PBS the most, Trump's unfavorable number ranged between 69% and 88%. (The second-lowest unfavorable rating for Trump, at 65%, came from people who said they trust Comedy Central the most.)
When asked "if the general election was held today... for whom will you vote or lean toward," 83% of Fox loyalists said Trump and 11% said Clinton. On the flip side, 77% of CNN loyalists and 94% of MSNBC loyalists said Clinton.

People who trusted Fox the most were also far more likely than people who trusted CNN, MSNBC or other channels to say that recent revelations from hacked emails released by Wikileaks raise conflicts of interest for Clinton if she is elected president. 85% of Fox fans said yes, according to the poll, compared with 45% of CNN fans and 15% of MSNBC fans.

Some of these findings are just predictable examples of polarization. But the poll also shows that Fox loyalists are more susceptible to claims of election corruption. Suffolk asked, "If the candidate you support loses," will you feel that "the other candidate won fair and square and deserves the support of all Americans," or that "corruption cost your candidate the election, and the new president shouldn't be seen as legitimately elected?" 43% of Fox loyalists cited corruption, versus 28% of overall respondents. 65% of Fox loyalists in the poll said they are worried that election results could be manipulated, far higher than the 38% overall response. Only 12% of MSNBC fans and 19% of CNN fans said they shared the concern. Conversely, only 31% of Fox loyalists agreed with the view that the election results can be trusted to be fair and accurate, compared with 77% of CNN viewers, 85% of MSNBC viewers, and 57% of overall respondents. Among people who are worried about the security of the election, many Fox fans expressed concern about the news media trying to "change the election results" -- possibly a result of Fox's anti-media tone.

Fox allies might say the poll findings show that other channels have a liberal bent. Fox critics might say that the results illustrate the echo chamber of conservative media. "The conservative entertainment news complex has constructed an alternative reality so all-encompassing that the chance of conservatives happening on any sort of good news is virtually nil," USA Today contributor and National Memo columnist Jason Sattler wrote on Thursday. "Hosts teach their viewers how to debunk anything Democrats might claim as an accomplishment and make sure they believe six terrible things about Obama before breakfast."

Suffolk's pollsters asked, "When it comes to the economy, do you think we are in an economic recovery, stagnation, recession, or depression?" Overall, 38% of respondents said a recovery; 35% said stagnation; 12% said recession; and 8% said depression. CNN and MSNBC regulars were more bullish. But Fox viewers were the opposite. Only 11% of Fox loyalists said America is in an economic recovery; 50% said stagnation; 19% said recession; and 13% said depression.

Suffolk conducts the national polls on a regular basis, including questions about media consumption. The Washington Post noted that the data for the past 15 months shows that "people who trust Fox News the most have consistently viewed Trump positively, on net," compared to people who trust other networks the most.

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