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Trump started a war in Libya that led to ISIL insurgencies there?
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-"Wait a minute.....who is that Frazz is talking to in the gallery? Hmmm something is going on here.....Oh.... it seems there is some dispute over video taping of some sort......Frazz is really upset now..........wait a minute......whats he go there.......is it? Can it be?....Frazz has just unleashed his hidden weiner dog from his mini bag, while quoting shakespeares "Let slip the dogs the war!!" GG
-"Don't mind Frazzled. He's just Dakka's crazy old dude locked in the attic. He's harmless. Mostly."
-TBone the Magnificent 1999-2014, Long Live the King!
Frazzled wrote: Trump started a war in Libya that led to ISIL insurgencies there?
Which was not one of the points made in the post in question, so...?
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"Through the darkness of future past, the magician longs to see.
One chants out between two worlds: Fire, walk with me." - Twin Peaks
"You listen to me. While I will admit to a certain cynicism, the fact is that I am a naysayer and hatchetman in the fight against violence. I pride myself in taking a punch and I'll gladly take another because I choose to live my life in the company of Gandhi and King. My concerns are global. I reject absolutely revenge, aggression, and retaliation. The foundation of such a method... is love. I love you Sheriff Truman." - Twin Peaks
Mitochondria wrote: As private citizens we can do a great many things with our email as it is private.
Unless you are under a court order to preserve and present emails related to an ongoing legal case, as Trump was. This is a case of (potentially) illegal destruction of evidence, not a private citizen deciding to delete their junk mail folder.
You mean... like the subpoenaed emails that the Clinton flunkies deleted? Like that too?
Well, duh, that's the point being made or did you miss the preceding posts explaining that Trump has done the same things he's accused Hillary of?
See? Both are bad.
<---this guy on #TeamJohson!
Does it feel like the runup to the election is some sort of macabre kabuki theater? We getting a very damaged President Hillary Clinton for the next 4 years.
TheMeanDM wrote: Is there discussion of the DAPL in here or is that a separate thread?
IIRC there's a separate thread in the OT for the pipeline protests. You might want to look on the 2nd page as it's been a while since it's been discussed.
Ya know... no matter how this breaks down, I think I'd still rather have Clinton elected than Trump, and here's why:
In a hypothetical situation, let's say Trump is elected, his court trials go forward (what, you seriously think Obama is gonna pardon him?), he's found guilty, or something happens that requires him to vacate the office. That leaves a total nutter in Pence in charge as POTUS.
In a hypothetical, Clinton is elected, formally charged, and Obama doesn't use his pardoning powers to prevent anything. Due to the court of public opinion, the actual court is "forced" to find her guilty. She vacates the office and now Kaine is in charge.... I've honestly never heard anything necessarily bad about Kaine, and certainly nothing like Pence's policies and actions in Indiana.
His abortion and sex ed policies alone gets a "Hell No" from me.
Abortion and sex education policy
Pence is an opponent of abortion, and his unwavering support of abortion restrictions has gained him the support of grassroots conservative activists.[141] Pence began seeking to defund Planned Parenthood in 2007,[142] and in three congressional sessions introduced legislation to block organizations that provide abortion services from receiving any Title X funding, even for services not related to reproductive health or family planning.[143]
Pence has criticized comprehensive sex education. In 2002, Pence criticized a speech by then-Secretary of State Colin Powell where Powell stated that it was "important for young people... to protect themselves from the possibility of acquiring any sexually transmitted disease" through the use of condoms.[144][145] Pence called Powell's comments a "sad day" and expressed his support for abstinence education.[144][145] Pence asserted that "condoms are a very, very poor protection against sexually transmitted diseases" and that Powell was "maybe inadvertently misleading millions of young people and endangering lives".[144][145]
Ensis Ferrae wrote: Ya know... no matter how this breaks down, I think I'd still rather have Clinton elected than Trump, and here's why:
In a hypothetical situation, let's say Trump is elected, his court trials go forward (what, you seriously think Obama is gonna pardon him?), he's found guilty, or something happens that requires him to vacate the office. That leaves a total nutter in Pence in charge as POTUS.
In a hypothetical, Clinton is elected, formally charged, and Obama doesn't use his pardoning powers to prevent anything. Due to the court of public opinion, the actual court is "forced" to find her guilty. She vacates the office and now Kaine is in charge.... I've honestly never heard anything necessarily bad about Kaine, and certainly nothing like Pence's policies and actions in Indiana.
Here is wisdom.
-"Wait a minute.....who is that Frazz is talking to in the gallery? Hmmm something is going on here.....Oh.... it seems there is some dispute over video taping of some sort......Frazz is really upset now..........wait a minute......whats he go there.......is it? Can it be?....Frazz has just unleashed his hidden weiner dog from his mini bag, while quoting shakespeares "Let slip the dogs the war!!" GG
-"Don't mind Frazzled. He's just Dakka's crazy old dude locked in the attic. He's harmless. Mostly."
-TBone the Magnificent 1999-2014, Long Live the King!
Besides his religious zealot overtones and all that entails, the one thing that I recall was his dogged defense of the Tobacco industry long after even the GOP gave up and acknowledged the reality of the dangers of smoking, cigarettes, etc. Science bad, errrr! This guy got to the 1950's and decided to put down roots.
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Does it feel like the runup to the election is some sort of macabre kabuki theater? We getting a very damaged President Hillary Clinton for the next 4 years.
Still wasting your vote, if you want your vote to really count, vote Joe Exotic!
"Through the darkness of future past, the magician longs to see.
One chants out between two worlds: Fire, walk with me." - Twin Peaks
"You listen to me. While I will admit to a certain cynicism, the fact is that I am a naysayer and hatchetman in the fight against violence. I pride myself in taking a punch and I'll gladly take another because I choose to live my life in the company of Gandhi and King. My concerns are global. I reject absolutely revenge, aggression, and retaliation. The foundation of such a method... is love. I love you Sheriff Truman." - Twin Peaks
China’s ‘monkey king’ picks Trump as next US president
FILES) This file photo taken on November 3, 2016 shows a monkey holding a fan with Chinese characters that read “elected” as it sits between cardboard cutouts of US presidential candidates Donald Trump and Hillary Clinton before making a selection intended to predict the result of the US election, at a park in Changsha in China’s Hunan province.
-AFP
SHANGHAI: A Chinese monkey has tipped Donald Trump for the US presidency, a tourism park said, after the creature successfully predicted the winner of football’s European Championship final earlier this year.
Known as Geda — which means knots or goose bumps — is the latest in a series of purportedly psychic animals that have popped up around the world since Paul the Octopus correctly predicted multiple 2010 World Cup matches.
The simian seer, wearing a yellow shirt emblazoned with his title, was given a chance to pick between life-sized cut-outs of Republican Trump and his Democratic challenger Hillary Clinton.
After “deliberate thought” the mystic monkey chose Trump, Shiyanhu Ecological Tourism Park said Thursday in a statement on its website. Without even waiting, he congratulated the cardboard candidate with a kiss on the lips.
The five-year-old simian correctly predicted Portugal would win the 2016 European football championship in July, two days before Cristiano Ronaldo’s side prevailed 1-0, online news portal ifeng.com reported at the time.
Then, the monkey was presented with the national flags of Portugal and France with bananas on both. It finally walked towards the national flag of Portugal and ate a banana there, the report said.
Geda’s antics seem to have been inspired by the oracular octopus Paul.
In 2010, Paul the Octopus became the world’s most famous mollusc when he foretold the results of every match played by Germany at the World Cup in South Africa, as well as Spain’s victory against the Netherlands in the final. –AFP
His abortion and sex ed policies alone gets a "Hell No" from me.
Abortion and sex education policy
Pence is an opponent of abortion, and his unwavering support of abortion restrictions has gained him the support of grassroots conservative activists.[141] Pence began seeking to defund Planned Parenthood in 2007,[142] and in three congressional sessions introduced legislation to block organizations that provide abortion services from receiving any Title X funding, even for services not related to reproductive health or family planning.[143]
Pence has criticized comprehensive sex education. In 2002, Pence criticized a speech by then-Secretary of State Colin Powell where Powell stated that it was "important for young people... to protect themselves from the possibility of acquiring any sexually transmitted disease" through the use of condoms.[144][145] Pence called Powell's comments a "sad day" and expressed his support for abstinence education.[144][145] Pence asserted that "condoms are a very, very poor protection against sexually transmitted diseases" and that Powell was "maybe inadvertently misleading millions of young people and endangering lives".[144][145]
And just to provide the "counterpoint" here's the page for Kaine:
Kaine, a Roman Catholic, is personally against abortion,[159][160] but is "largely inclined to keep the law out of women's reproductive decisions."[159] Kaine has said: "I'm a strong supporter of Roe v. Wade and women being able to make these decisions. In government, we have enough things to worry about. We don't need to make people's reproductive decisions for them.
Kaine personally opposes capital punishment, but presided over eleven executions while governor.[169] Kaine said: "I really struggled with [capital punishment] as governor. I have a moral position against the death penalty. But I took an oath of office to uphold it. Following an oath of office is also a moral obligation."[35]
I highlight those two things because these are areas that I think many, particularly from the Religious Right™ fail at. Just because you have a personal view on a matter does not mean that you should flout the law, or even work to change the law in a negative way.
-"Wait a minute.....who is that Frazz is talking to in the gallery? Hmmm something is going on here.....Oh.... it seems there is some dispute over video taping of some sort......Frazz is really upset now..........wait a minute......whats he go there.......is it? Can it be?....Frazz has just unleashed his hidden weiner dog from his mini bag, while quoting shakespeares "Let slip the dogs the war!!" GG
-"Don't mind Frazzled. He's just Dakka's crazy old dude locked in the attic. He's harmless. Mostly."
-TBone the Magnificent 1999-2014, Long Live the King!
The FBI appears to be descending into a full-scale insurrection over Hillary Clinton. Unnamed sources within the Bureau are running to the press with stories that seem to confirm the worst suspicions regarding Clinton’s alleged corruption.
The Wall Street Journal‘s sources alleged that the Department of Justice put its thumb on the scales to prevent an investigation into whether the Clinton Foundation sold access to then-Secretary of State Clinton. Also citing unnamed FBI sources, Fox News reported that there are new—as in, allegedly deleted—emails from Clinton’s server on the electronic devices confiscated from Huma Abedin and Anthony Weiner. Also, “barring some obstruction in some way” from the DOJ, Fox says an indictment of someone in Clinton’s orbit is “likely.”
Conservatives should be cautious about embracing information that so precisely corresponds to their biases without the support of more sources. Still, one of the revelations involving potentially criminal conduct by Clinton has been the subject of expert speculation for months: the claim that Clinton’s decision to use an illicit server exposed sensitive U.S. diplomatic secrets to foreign governments.
“We’ve learned that there is a confidence from these sources that her server had been hacked,” Said Fox News Channel host Bret Baier. “And that it was a 99 percent accuracy that it had been hacked by at least five foreign intelligence agencies, and they believe things have been taken from that.” The public has known since at least May that Clinton’s server was not secure against possible infiltration attempts by foreign governments. State Department Spokesman Mark Toner has been unable to confirm that there were no successful hacking attempts on Clinton’s server. Clinton’s aides’ emails have been compromised by “hostile foreign actors,” according to the FBI. Moreover, her use of a Blackberry that was not State Department-issued in places like Vietnam almost certainly left the backdoor open to state actors.
There is a high likelihood that Hillary Clinton has been compromised. If the Chinese were sophisticated enough to steal every social security number of everyone who ever applied to work in the federal government and the Russians managed to upend a presidential election by infiltrating the Democratic Party’s committees, these governments surely had the ability to make short work of Clinton’s server if they knew of its existence. So why hasn’t the public seen any emails from Clinton’s time as chief diplomat? Perhaps because she remains the prohibitive favorite to win the presidential election in November, and that kind of leverage is better left undisclosed.
“Leverage” is the proper term for it. The fear that Clinton might be blackmailed as president by a foreign power would go some way toward explaining the frenzied cascade of leaks from the FBI regarding her conduct as Secretary of State. If, however, these leaks fail to derail Clinton’s campaign, it will fall to Republicans in Congress to manage and guide the president so that she is compelled to place national above her personal interests.
As Abe Greenwald observed in the November issue of COMMENTARY, among the more unfortunate consequences of Barack Obama’s presidency has been the success he’s enjoyed in sapping the country of its sense of national purpose. “Not only does the United States currently have no national purpose; the very idea of a national purpose is now unfashionable,” he wrote. “This is the logical result of eight years of American political leadership devoted to minimizing American global leadership.”
As Greenwald outlines, though, America does have a purpose. It is to serve as a champion for and defender of the rights of individuals in free societies. The neglect of that mission has led to a predictable resurgence of illiberal and authoritarian regimes, and the rehabilitation of oppressive totalitarianism in the name of efficiency.
On foreign policy, Clinton has not run as an ideological liberal dedicated to correcting for the perceived injustice of America’s prohibitive global dominance. Indeed, Clinton has run as a practical steward of the geopolitical status quo. Moscow’s brazen effort to make her life more difficult has likely only hardened her resolve to resist the objectives of this revisionist and expansionist power. Republicans in Congress should do all they can to compel Clinton to keep and maintain the post-War geopolitical order.
That means opposing realignments like the Philippines’ drift toward China with every soft power instrument available. That means scuttling unilateral rapprochement with illiberal regimes, like that which Barack Obama pursued with Iran and Cuba. That means defending America’s allies, however unsavory, with the aim of persuading them to embrace gradual, top-down reforms toward liberalism; not castigating them publicly, emboldening their adversaries and hardening the resolve of their domestic hardliners. Recommitting America to defending its natural allies and opposing its foes is a mission to which Clinton can and should dedicate herself, even if her own personal interests are at stake. And Republicans should stand behind her all the way—with drawn bayonets, if necessary.
Ideally, voters would reject a candidate as compromised as Clinton, but the alternative is in many ways even more unpalatable. Because both party’s presidential nominees cannot be trusted and must be constrained, the most desirable outcome of this race is that the 45th President face an adversarial Congress. Hillary Clinton can be contained and managed, but it will be up to voters to bind her to the national interest.
Abortion, birth control, and sex education
Kaine, a Roman Catholic, is personally against abortion,[159][160] but is "largely inclined to keep the law out of women's reproductive decisions."[159] Kaine has said: "I'm a strong supporter of Roe v. Wade and women being able to make these decisions. In government, we have enough things to worry about. We don't need to make people's reproductive decisions for them."[161] Kaine supports some legal restrictions on abortion, such as requiring parental consent for minors (with a judicial bypass procedure) and banning late-term abortions in cases where the woman's life is not at risk.[162]
In 2009, Kaine signed a bill to create a "Choose Life" license plate, among the more than 200 Virginia specialty plates already offered, the proceeds of which would partly go to Heartbeat International, a Christian organization that operates anti-abortion crisis pregnancy centers.[163] Planned Parenthood and NARAL Pro-Choice America expressed disappointment in Kaine's decision.[163] Kaine considered such license plate messages a matter of free speech and added that the move was "in keeping with the commonwealth's longtime practice of approving specialty plates with all manner of political and social messages."[163]
Kaine previously criticized the Obama administration for "not providing a 'broad enough religious employer exemption'" in the contraceptive mandate of the Affordable Care Act, but praised a 2012 amendment to the regulations that allowed insurers to provide birth control to employees when an employer was an objecting religious organization.[164]
In 2005, when running for governor, Kaine said he favored reducing abortions by: (1) "Enforcing the current Virginia restrictions on abortion and passing an enforceable ban on partial birth abortion that protects the life and health of the mother"; (2) "Fighting teen pregnancy through abstinence-focused education"; (3) "Ensuring women's access to health care (including legal contraception) and economic opportunity"; and (4) "Promoting adoption as an alternative for women facing unwanted pregnancies."[165]
In 2007, as governor, Kaine cut off state funding for abstinence-only sex education programs, citing studies which showed that such programs were ineffective, while comprehensive sex education programs were more effective.[166] Kaine believes that both abstinence and contraceptives must be taught, and that education should be evidence-based.[166]
As a senator, he has received perfect scores from Planned Parenthood and the abortion-rights advocacy group NARAL.[122][167] He has received a score of zero from the anti-abortion National Right to Life Committee.[167]
Seems as though he's against it for the most part.... I just copy/pasted the entire section from Wiki. Edit: bold/underline my emphasis for Frazz's question.
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-"Don't mind Frazzled. He's just Dakka's crazy old dude locked in the attic. He's harmless. Mostly."
-TBone the Magnificent 1999-2014, Long Live the King!
Quick question: do you think a 4 years mandate is too short ? Especially with the primary, the campaign begins very early, so a president is very often campaigning.
godardc wrote: Quick question: do you think a 4 years mandate is too short ? Especially with the primary, the campaign begins very early, so a president is very often campaigning.
No.
I think the campaign season has started way too early.
godardc wrote: Quick question: do you think a 4 years mandate is too short ? Especially with the primary, the campaign begins very early, so a president is very often camaigning.
No, I think it works quite well. Would be nice if we could shorten the length of the campaign, but that's an issue with the parties.
Homosexuality is the #1 cause of gay marriage.
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sebster wrote: Yes, indeed. What a terrible piece of cultural imperialism it is for me to say that a country shouldn't murder its own citizens
BaronIveagh wrote: Basically they went from a carrot and stick to a smaller carrot and flanged mace.
Question for American dakka members: Is it ok to mention wikileaks here?
I've missed 60 or 70 pages worth of the discussion, and if you're fed up with hearing about wikileaks, fair enough. I'll move on....
but I was reading some wikileaks stuff about Clinton, Nevada, and let's say 'unusual voting' ahead of the Democratic primary result for Nevada....
I does not look good for American democracy....
But I suspect most of you know that already....
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Not surprising that Clinton Foundation searches are trending up the emails being released by Wikileaks and anonymous are pretty amazing in a crazy way. Don't want to take the thread down that rabbit hole but if you're curious you should check out the sites that are publishing/covering the Wikileaks stuff.
All the wikileaks are doing is proving what we already know: politics are dirty, even (perhaps especially) among supposed allies.
The fact that the Democrat establishment colluded with their long running and most powerful member to block a populist outsider for securing the nomination should be surprising to exactly no one.
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