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**Breotan**

So, polls open in around five hours on the East Coast. We'll spend much of the day hearing about that one county with three people in it all going to Trump. Actual results should start trickling in around 7:00pm EST if exit polling is accurate.

I wonder what kind of election place shenanigans will make the news this year?

**ScootyPuffJunior**

Breotan wrote:
So, polls open in around five hours on the East Coast.

Five hours? Polls open in less than three hours here in Virginia. I was considering stopping on my way home from work because I drive past our polling place but I'm going to wait to go with my wife later in the morning.

**sebster**

Ouze wrote:
I feel like you might be giving a little too much credit to the subforum that once saw a serious argument put forth that blacklisting in hollywood was an obscure thing only known to historians.

Yeah, I was stretching things more than a little bit, because I wanted to get that Die Hard line in there

Thanks for the link by the way, I didn't read that at the time and it was fething hilarious.

**Ouze**

Breotan wrote:
I wonder what kind of election place shenanigans will make the news this year?

I feel like we're going to see some amateur voter suppression attempts at a minimum.

**ScootyPuffJunior**

Ouze wrote:
Breotan wrote:
I wonder what kind of election place shenanigans will make the news this year?

I feel like we're going to see some amateur voter suppression attempts at a minimum.

Only if it's a couple of black guys.

If it's anyone else, they're just friendly neighborhood poll watchers.

**Do_I_Not_Like_That**

It's over, thank God it's over!

Two years of hot air and horsegak, wall to wall coverage, which in the end, added up to nothing of any substance....

And now the USA is faced with choosing between a punch on the nose or a kick in the nuts...

Normally, I used to enjoy staying up to watch the election coverage, high on Diet Coke at 3am

but I think I'll skip this one.

Good luck to all....

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shasolenzabi wrote:
Amazing to see so many answers that show the stockholm syndrome effect the corporates have brainwashed so many with that we have just two choices. America needs more than that, and no, I did not throw my vote away, that is merely Dem party claptrap as they have tried to make people via fear and fear alone.

Orange Hitler is another such piece of propaganda, and I voted my conscience.

But still vote LOTE and you still get evil. It will not change until people wise up and stop voting for team Red/Blue, which is actually two sides of a single party.

But yeah look up what Stockholm syndrome means, and also see how well rigged the system is with the "2-party" coin flip nonsense.

I am amongst those who want actual change, it ain't happening from inside the red/blue club, they are too bought , too corrupt, too far gone to fix.

But hey, I know what you who posted think, thanks for your time of puking the pablum at me

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Amazing to see so many answers that show the stockholm syndrome effect the corporates have brainwashed so many with that we have just two choices. America needs more than that, and no, I did not throw my vote away, that is merely Dem party claptrap as they have tried to make people via fear and fear alone.

Orange Hitler is another such piece of propaganda, and I voted my conscience.

But still vote LOTE and you still get evil. It will not change until people wise up and stop voting for team Red/Blue, which is actually two sides of a single party.

But yeah look up what Stockholm syndrome means, and also see how well rigged the system is with the "2-party" coin flip nonsense.

I am amongst those who want actual change, it ain't happening from inside the red/blue club, they are too bought , too corrupt, too far gone to fix.

But hey, I know what you who posted think, thanks for your time of puking the pablum at me.

And the Federal guidelines for a party to get the recognition and funding happens to be 5% or more, plain an simple. No matter what party that is not part of the insider red/blue paradigm,

time to cut the short hairs they have you by people.

Good post.

I don't know how much info you have on UK politics, but some of our big parties faced the same problem, and faced the same obstacles.

My party SNP (Scottish Nationalist Party) started off as a fringe movement, and was dismissed as crackpots for years.

But they gained traction, people voted for them, and now they are the government in Scotland, having replaced a party (Labour) who were thought to be invincible...

I know the American system is different, but don't give up on third parties.

A long time ago, the GOP were a new kid on the scene....

**MrDwhitey**

Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote:
It's over, thank God it's over!

Is it? We'll see.

**Ouze**

Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote:
Two years of hot air and horsegak, wall to wall coverage, which in the end, added up to nothing of any substance....

And now the USA is faced with choosing between a punch on the nose or a kick in the nuts...

You almost forgot about "2 years of bs false equivalencies"

**Do_I_Not_Like_That**

Ouze wrote:
Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote:
Two years of hot air and horsegak, wall to wall coverage, which in the end, added up to nothing of any substance....

And now the USA is faced with choosing between a punch on the nose or a kick in the nuts...

You almost forgot about "2 years of bs false equivalencies"

I was watching old presidential debates on Youtube, and they were remarkable for the fact that candidates talked about policy i.e what they would do: Cold War, education, employment, and so on...

This election, and the Obama campaigns, were a wretched vacuum of grievance, personality politics, and vote for me because I'm not him.

No ideas, no bold vision, no grand plan for the USA...nothing....

As always, I followed this election closely, and this may not be news to you, but IMO, there is two Americas:

The America of California, New York, New England etc etc

and everybody else in between i.e small town America.

And small town America is getting hammered by falling healthcare, education, life expectancy etc etc they've been left behind by globalization.

Clinton as president will change nothing for them. Trump probably wouldn't either, but I can understand why people are voting for him...

**Maddermax**

I just always wanted to say that.

**skyth**

Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote:

And small town America is getting hammered by falling healthcare, education, life expectancy etc etc they've been left behind by globalization.

Maybe if they would stop voting for the Republicans (You know, the party that is against healthcare and education...) that might change...

**reds8n**

Ouze wrote:
Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote:
Two years of hot air and horsegak, wall to wall coverage, which in the end, added up to nothing of any substance....

And now the USA is faced with choosing between a punch on the nose or a kick in the nuts...

You almost forgot about "2 years of bs false equivalencies"

Fret not -- mid terms start soon enough.

anyway :

Good luck to all of you over the pond

**Maddermax**

Ok, quick update on the state of the race.

The psychic Scottish goat has called the election for Clinton:

http://www.scotsman.com/news/video-psychic-scottish-goat-predicts-next-us-president-1-4280162

But the mystical Chinese monkey has chosen Trump:

http://shanghaiist.com/2016/11/07/monkey_picks_trump.php

So early results seem mixed. With any luck, a pre-cognisant squid will come along to break this deadlock.

**Do_I_Not_Like_That**

skyth wrote:
Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote:

And small town America is getting hammered by falling healthcare, education, life expectancy etc etc they've been left behind by globalization.

Maybe if they would stop voting for the Republicans (You know, the party that is against healthcare and education...) that might change...

Nah, this trend has been going on for the last 30 years, which includes both GOP and Democrat administrations. It's more complicated than blaming the Republicans.

**reds8n**

worth a look when you get a mo

https://twitter.com/i/moments/795952036055490560

18. Jennifer, Selma AL

Jennifer was collecting and cleaning bricks from a torn down cotton warehouse. $20 for a pile of 500

**Vash108**

NinthMusketeer wrote:
Politicians certainly do love deflecting anger at the upper class towards the opposing party instead. Class warfare indeed... maybe if the class at the top actually let some of that trickle down people wouldn't have as much of a reason to be angry eh? But hey, now I'm talking about caring for your fellow humans, and that's crazy talk.

They are letting something trickle down alright

**Do_I_Not_Like_That**

I'm pretty sure that trickle down economics was debunked years ago, as the rich actively take steps to hide their gains, and so, nothing trickles down.

The Panama Papers taught us that.

**Ahtman**

I had to wait about an hour and fifteen minutes but I done did vote and such.

**cuda1179**

So, apparently over the weekend the Governor of Virginia (Dem) pardoned 60,000 felons. This restored their voting rights and a good chunk were gleefully added to the voting polls.

As a side note, this also granted them the ability to legally buy firearms again....... Anyone else see this being bad in the future?

**skyth**

Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote:
skyth wrote:
Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote:

And small town America is getting hammered by falling healthcare, education, life expectancy etc etc they've been left behind by globalization.

Maybe if they would stop voting for the Republicans (You know, the party that is against healthcare and education...) that might change...

Nah, this trend has been going on for the last 30 years, which includes both GOP and Democrat administrations. It's more complicated than blaming the Republicans.

Not really. Education is largely a state/local issue. 'Small town America' repeatedly votes Republican for the last 30 years, which means the people in charge of their education system are the Republicans who constantly attack and cut funding for teachers and education. Same (Lately...It's a relatively new issue) with health care since it's a Democratic issue, Republicans have to be against helping with it.

**Do_I_Not_Like_That**

Ahtman wrote:
I had to wait about an hour and fifteen minutes but I done did vote and such.

Did the UN get you? North Koreans? Russian Agents?

**Vash108**

skyth wrote:
Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote:
skyth wrote:
Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote:

And small town America is getting hammered by falling healthcare, education, life expectancy etc etc they've been left behind by globalization.

Maybe if they would stop voting for the Republicans (You know, the party that is against healthcare and education...) that might change...

Nah, this trend has been going on for the last 30 years, which includes both GOP and Democrat administrations. It's more complicated than blaming the Republicans.

Not really. Education is largely a state/local issue. 'Small town America' repeatedly votes Republican for the last 30 years, which means the people in charge of their education system are the Republicans who constantly attack and cut funding for teachers and education. Same (Lately...It's a relatively new issue) with health care since it's a Democratic issue, Republicans have to be against helping with it.

Just look at Alabama, they have cut education funding every year since the mid 2000's

**Maddermax**

Ahtman wrote:
I had to wait about an hour and fifteen minutes but I done did vote and such.

Jesus, why do American elections have such long lines? Here in Australia, we have mandatory voting (>95% turnout), and I've never waited more than 10 minutes to vote. There was a minor scandal when some waiting times at some stations were nearly an hour during our last election. Yet over in America, with far lower turnout, you hear countless stories of people waiting several hours to vote, and lines winding around the block. Is it just bad organization, or is it just due to parties trying to suppress turnout by making voting difficult?

**Do_I_Not_Like_That**

skyth wrote:
Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote:
skyth wrote:
Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote:

And small town America is getting hammered by falling healthcare, education, life expectancy etc etc they've been left behind by globalization.

Maybe if they would stop voting for the Republicans (You know, the party that is against healthcare and education...) that might change...

Nah, this trend has been going on for the last 30 years, which includes both GOP and Democrat administrations. It's more complicated than blaming the Republicans.

Not really. Education is largely a state/local issue. 'Small town America' repeatedly votes Republican for the last 30 years, which means the people in charge of their education system are the Republicans who constantly attack and cut funding for teachers and education. Same (Lately...It's a relatively new issue) with health care since it's a Democratic issue, Republicans have to be against helping with it.

I still think it's more complicated than that.

I read an article about a small American town that went from a busy high street, to a ghost town when a new Walmart turned up and put everybody out of business.

**Laughing Man**

Maddermax wrote:
Ahtman wrote:
I had to wait about an hour and fifteen minutes but I done did vote and such.

Jesus, why do American elections have such long lines? Here in Australia, we have mandatory voting (>95% turnout), and I've never waited more than 10 minutes. There was a minor scandal when some waiting times were nearly an hour during our last election. Yet over in America, with far lower turnout, you hear countless stories of people waiting several hours to vote, and lines winding around the block. Is it just bad organization, or is it just due to parties trying to suppress turnout by making voting difficult?

Republican-held state houses have a habit of closing polling places in order to decrease turnout (as high turnouts typically works in favor of democrats). This, in turn, makes waits horrifyingly long at the polling places that are still open.

**Do_I_Not_Like_That**

Maddermax wrote:
Ahtman wrote:
I had to wait about an hour and fifteen minutes but I done did vote and such.

Jesus, why do American elections have such long lines? Here in Australia, we have mandatory voting (>95% turnout), and I've never waited more than 10 minutes. There was a minor scandal when some waiting times were nearly an hour during our last election. Yet over in America, with far lower turnout, you hear countless stories of people waiting several hours to vote, and lines winding around the block. Is it just bad organization, or is it just due to parties trying to suppress turnout by making voting difficult?

Exactly. If I have to spend more than 5 minutes voting on UK election day, I'm mad, because it rarely happens.

And we have laws that allow farmers to turn up with sheep and cattle

**Shadow Captain Edithae**

BigWaaagh wrote:
Shadow Captain Edithae wrote:
BigWaaagh wrote:
Shadow Captain Edithae wrote:
BigWaaagh wrote:
whembly wrote:

Clinton directed her maid to print out classified materials
jfc...

Gee, a Clinton bashing story in a rag owned by Rupert Murdoch, and written by the same guy who wrote "Infiltration: How Muslim Spies and Subversives have Penetrated Washington".

You genuinely deserve that clueless nob Gary Johnson as your candidate.

Doesn't matter who printed it, all that matters is whether they're telling the truth. Are they?

WHAT!? Sources don't matter? Spin doesn't matter? Bias doesn't matter? HUH? As far as the "truth" being told, once again I'll reference FBI investigation and reiteration of previous findings, conclusion and their validity.

Of course they do.

But it is lazy to dismiss something out of hand without any attempt to refute it. Bias does not automatically mean some argument or claim is automatically false.

I don't want to hear your partisan hate boner for anything and everything that the other side says or how much you distrust and loathe the sources they cite, I want to know if a specific claim or argument is true or false. Is that too much to ask?

You're damned right sources matter and when I see the FBI, who've more intimately than anyone else, looked at this email carnival ride up, down and sideways and concluded, once again, as they did, then I'm done validating this matter with the constant barrage of self-servicing attempts to grab another headline or 15 minutes of my attention. I have a hate boner, but it's for the partisan politicians, partisan reporters and their partisan rags constantly beating dead horses and scandal mongering for the sole purpose of distracting people. This email matter has been given more coverage than Watergate and that is the real crime in this matter!

You're still whingeing about how how awful the other side is instead of answering my original question.

**cuda1179**

skyth wrote:
Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote:
skyth wrote:
Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote:

And small town America is getting hammered by falling healthcare, education, life expectancy etc etc they've been left behind by globalization.

Maybe if they would stop voting for the Republicans (You know, the party that is against healthcare and education...) that might change...

Nah, this trend has been going on for the last 30 years, which includes both GOP and Democrat administrations. It's more complicated than blaming the Republicans.

Not really. Education is largely a state/local issue. 'Small town America' repeatedly votes Republican for the last 30 years, which means the people in charge of their education system are the Republicans who constantly attack and cut funding for teachers and education. Same (Lately...It's a relatively new issue) with health care since it's a Democratic issue, Republicans have to be against helping with it.

In all fairness, educational standards don't exactly rise when Democrats are allowed to throw money at it either. Case in point, the Kansas City school district. After white flight in the 1960's the KC school district was mostly Black and underfunded, so the city sued the stated in order to fund it. The presiding judge gave the district so much money that not only were they the most well funded public school in the nation, but the entire world. Teachers got huge bumps in pay, new facilities were constructed, state of the art computer labs, and class sizes of 16. What did it do for education? Not a dang thing.

**kronk**

shasolenzabi wrote:
Amazing to see so many answers that show the stockholm syndrome effect the corporates have brainwashed

Holy feth, I don't need to read anything else you ever type.

<--- Voted 3rd party, by the way.

Get some help. Stop using the word sheeple un-ironically. Get yourself and your kids vaccinated. See a real doctor regularly, not holistic practitioners.

Best of luck to you.

**Nostromodamus**

Ahtman wrote:
I had to wait about an hour and fifteen minutes but I done did vote and such.

In and out in 10 minutes