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 cuda1179 wrote:
Trump is currently up 1.8 million votes in the popular vote, so I am pretty sure Clinton won't get that either.

Without the votes from California, that's a pretty unlikely position.

 SickSix wrote:

 KommissarKiln wrote:
Honestly, people on both sides need to cool it with the rampant ad hominem. It's actually pretty rude to decide that the entirety of those of a certain political affiliation are insane, unintelligent, evil, etc. Do you know me? What about whoever posts above me? Below me? No, you do not.

Calling everyone on the right racists and misogynists, or else gullible, is (ironically) intolerance at its finest, and calling everyone on the left socialists, communists, or freeloaders is a perfect display of ignorance. So just knock it off.

Have an exalt Sir!

You got one from me as well Probably the most sane thing said this evening. Keep it up buddy.

Well as exciting as this is, I have to work tomorrow, regardless who wins.

But it's looking like Trump will take PA, MI and AZ. So that would wrap it up.

Goodnight y'all.

 KommissarKiln wrote:
Honestly, people on both sides need to cool it with the rampant ad hominem. It's actually pretty rude to decide that the entirety of those of a certain political affiliation are insane, unintelligent, evil, etc. Do you know me? What about whoever posts above me? Below me? No, you do not.

Calling everyone on the right racists and misogynists, or else gullible, is (ironically) intolerance at its finest, and calling everyone on the left socialists, communists, or freeloaders is a perfect display of ignorance. So just knock it off.

pretty much this in a nutshell. As a nation we hate each other (left and right) so much that we are getting to a bad situation. There is not likely to be much reconciliation after this election and the winner (whoever it ends up) will likely exult in the downfall of thier opponent and insist they have a mandate. Neither will listen to the other side and there will be no compromises. There has to be some manner of civility, the best way is for each side to police its own.

 KommissarKiln wrote:
Honestly, people on both sides need to cool it with the rampant ad hominem. It's actually pretty rude to decide that the entirety of those of a certain political affiliation are insane, unintelligent, evil, etc. Do you know me? What about whoever posts above me? Below me? No, you do not.

Calling everyone on the right racists and misogynists, or else gullible, is (ironically) intolerance at its finest, and calling everyone on the left socialists, communists, or freeloaders is a perfect display of ignorance. So just knock it off.

All that said, I agree we need to tone down our interactions on this forum, but as I look at the electoral/county maps, I see the areas swinging to Trump are predominately those where the voting bloc is predominately filled with people who hold only a high school diploma or less. What I see in this election is the classic political science mantra: those who have less education typically vote conservative, even against their best interests, and those who have more education tend to vote more progressive.

 LordofHats wrote:
The Rust Belt effect seems to have been underestimated.

I think there's something to be said for how many of us underestimated the impact of Obama & his entire political infrastructure calling majority of working class Americans "racist" and "bitter clingers" for 8 years.

 Hordini wrote:

 LordofHats wrote:
The Rust Belt effect seems to have been underestimated.

That's a big part of why this is happening.

I suspect that there is no coincidence that turn out is so low, and I suspect that's going to end up being the most significant factor.

People turned out to vote for Trump.

They didn't to vote for Clinton.

Could also end up like Brexit. People who didn't normally vote ended up voting and people who normally do didn't.

 Ensis Ferrae wrote:

 KommissarKiln wrote:
Honestly, people on both sides need to cool it with the rampant ad hominem. It's actually pretty rude to decide that the entirety of those of a certain political affiliation are insane, unintelligent, evil, etc. Do you know me? What about whoever posts above me? Below me? No, you do not.

Calling everyone on the right racists and misogynists, or else gullible, is (ironically) intolerance at its finest, and calling everyone on the left socialists, communists, or freeloaders is a perfect display of ignorance. So just knock it off.

All that said, I agree we need to tone down our interactions on this forum, but as I look at the electoral/county maps, I see the areas swinging to Trump are predominately those where the voting bloc is predominately filled with people who hold only a high school diploma or less. What I see in this election is the classic political science mantra: those who have less education typically vote conservative, even against their best interests, and those who have more education tend to vote more progressive.

being educated and being intelligent are not the same thing.

 sebster wrote:

 cuda1179 wrote:
Trump is currently up 1.8 million votes in the popular vote, so I am pretty sure Clinton won't get that either.

Without the votes from California, that's a pretty unlikely position.

Popular vote doesn't matter.

Nevada for Clinton, interesting flip.

I'm locking this for 10 minutes, when I said the posts had to improve I meant it. Don't create any other political threads in the meanwhile


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 thekingofkings wrote:

 Ensis Ferrae wrote:

 KommissarKiln wrote:
Honestly, people on both sides need to cool it with the rampant ad hominem. It's actually pretty rude to decide that the entirety of those of a certain political affiliation are insane, unintelligent, evil, etc. Do you know me? What about whoever posts above me? Below me? No, you do not.

Calling everyone on the right racists and misogynists, or else gullible, is (ironically) intolerance at its finest, and calling everyone on the left socialists, communists, or freeloaders is a perfect display of ignorance. So just knock it off.

All that said, I agree we need to tone down our interactions on this forum, but as I look at the electoral/county maps, I see the areas swinging to Trump are predominately those where the voting bloc is predominately filled with people who hold only a high school diploma or less. What I see in this election is the classic political science mantra: those who have less education typically vote conservative, even against their best interests, and those who have more education tend to vote more progressive.

being educated and being intelligent are not the same thing.

Is this like how facts are the same thing as feelings?

What he posted is not wrong. It's a phenomena that is well-known. You could have a conservative running on a platform that will be wildly detrimental to those voters, but as long as it is not blatantly obvious?

They'll vote for that conservative.

Look at the justifications used for tax breaks for the wealthy, for example.
"They need the money to create jobs"...but what mechanism is there to keep the jobs where they're needed?

Or hell, one of my favorites--sales tax and reduced taxes on the middle/lower class.
Commonly, you have people talking about "reduced taxes on the middle/lower class" but ignoring that a change in sales tax rates effectively negates that.

Various sources are calling PA and AZ for Trump now.

Drumpf is the President-elect.

My Gast is Thoroughly Flabbered... seriously.

Can you imagine the size of Trump's ego right now? I bet you thought it couldn't get any bigger.

Nate Cohn made an interesting point:

How to think about this election: white working class voters just decided to vote like a minority group. They're >40% of the electorate.

If this isn't a fluke and the white working class has been "racialized," Democrats have some very bad years ahead of them.

Mr Stop-and-Frisk will be AG, so we got that going for us.

 sebster wrote:

 cuda1179 wrote:
Trump is currently up 1.8 million votes in the popular vote, so I am pretty sure Clinton won't get that either.

Without the votes from California, that's a pretty unlikely position.

You're dreaming if you think Clinton will win the popular vote. There aren't enough people left to overcome that lead.

 whembly wrote:
Various sources are calling PA and AZ for Trump now.

Drumpf is the President-elect.

My Gast is Thoroughly Flabbered... seriously.

Which sources are these?? I've been watching MSNBC (since they seem to have left the commercial time block)... and they still have not called PA, AZ, WI and MI yet.

Well that proves my opinions about americans.

I have a feeling by the end of his first 100 days america will have the largest case of buyers remorse ever imagined. Now that he won't have hillary around to show he's the lesser of two evils, he'll be the evil in center stage.

 d-usa wrote:
Mr Stop-and-Frisk will be AG, so we got that going for us.

Oh man, we are boned. You know who is really boned? Every person in a legal marijuana state.

 Ensis Ferrae wrote:

 whembly wrote:
Various sources are calling PA and AZ for Trump now.

Drumpf is the President-elect.

My Gast is Thoroughly Flabbered... seriously.

Which sources are these?? I've been watching MSNBC (since they seem to have left the commercial time block)... and they still have not called PA, AZ, WI and MI yet.

Periodically here:
decisiondeskhq.com

But that site is getting hammered.

I've been mainly following it on my town's newspaper site (with AP widget):
http://www.stltoday.com/

ANd google:
https://www.google.com/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant&ion=1&espv=2&ie=UTF-8#q=election+results&eob=enn/o//////////////


Oh and follow PA:
http://www.electionreturns.pa.gov/ENR_NEW

 Dreadwinter wrote:

 d-usa wrote:
Mr Stop-and-Frisk will be AG, so we got that going for us.

Oh man, we are boned. You know who is really boned? Every person in a legal marijuana state.

The large growers, perhaps. There aren't enough FBI agents to go around slapping cuffs on every skater kid tooling down city sidewalks.

The other question for me goes to the GOP in the legislature.

They have safely repealed Obamacare over and over again, knowing that there were no consequence to their actions since it would always be vetoed.

So now what do they do?

Another Fun Fact; Canada's Immigration webpage has been crashed XD

Problem is that unlike when I happily admitted voting for Obama...I'm not sure how I feel about who I voted for in this election. And I won't publically say who I voted for. But to say I was as comfortable with either candidate as I was with voting Obama? Nope. Can't say it. Cuz I wasn't. I stared at the poll sheet for about 5 minutes before making a decision.

 d-usa wrote:
The other question for me goes to the GOP in the legislature.

They have safely repealed Obamacare over and over again, knowing that there were no consequence to their actions since it would always be vetoed.

So now what do they do?

Given the massive price hikes expected next year with the ACA, I wouldn't be surprised to see some action taken on it.

 d-usa wrote:
The other question for me goes to the GOP in the legislature.

They have safely repealed Obamacare over and over again, knowing that there were no consequence to their actions since it would always be vetoed.

So now what do they do?

Pass it again knowing that it could pass?

Not sure where you're going with this...

I think where 4 million votes is less than 1/3 of what California has reported, it's perfectly feasible for the sheer number of votes and heavy Democratic favor here to still earn Clinton the nation's popular vote. But it'd definitely be a stretch. And it sure doesn't have any further impact on the electoral college.

Had to start issuing warnings for spammy, adding-nothing posts. If all you are doing is rubbing someone's face in it, calling them stupid, or anything along those lines with a post, then it is outside the bounds of both rule 1 and spam rules, so DO NOT POST IT

The Hillary campaign headquarters is pretty dejected. Everyone thought she was the President-elect when polls opened.