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tneva82 wrote:

 Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote:
Trump may be a lot of things, but nobody is hitting the red button.

That was campaign talk.

Based on what evidence? You claim supernatural powers to see into his mind?

There's a whole system in place designed to stop people like Trump launching the missles. At the very least, the secret service agents will tie him up or something....

 Ketara wrote:

 Psienesis wrote:
Which is why I blame the DNC.

You know you've spent too long reading naval history when you read this, and your first thought is 'What's the Director of Naval Construction got to do with it?'

We have a group at the Bank called CAG. Everytime I hear it I think of carriers launching...

Does anyone know of a cool video game that takes about 4 years to beat?

 Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote:
There's a whole system in place designed to stop people like Trump launching the missles. At the very least, the secret service agents will tie him up or something....

So we are to count for our safety in his underlings disobeying direct orders...

Yeah that's comforting when you consider that in military obeying orders is drilled pretty hard on you.

Well at least there's one sliver of silver assuming humans don't all die because of this. Maybe Finland finally puts the stupid "let's join NATO" idea to trashbin. Since that would just increase expenses with zero practical quarantees useless piece of paper.

 jasper76 wrote:
Does anyone know of a cool video game that takes about 4 years to beat?

World of Warcraft?

“I must not fear. Fear is the mind-killer. Fear is the little-death that brings total obliteration. I will face my fear. I will permit it to pass over me and through me. And when it has gone past I will turn the inner eye to see its path. Where the fear has gone there will be nothing. Only I will remain.”
― Frank Herbert, Dune

Anyone fleeing up to Canada, feel free to stop by for a game on your way up the Northway.

I hope our nation can get past the divide that has been fostered this election. That we can pull together. I hope our system of checks and balances can curb any excesses from our new president. I hope a lot of his empty rhetoric was, in fact, empty. It’s going to be an interesting four years. But if we stand together, we can weather it, and hopefully come out stronger.

 Nevelon wrote:
“I must not fear. Fear is the mind-killer. Fear is the little-death that brings total obliteration. I will face my fear. I will permit it to pass over me and through me. And when it has gone past I will turn the inner eye to see its path. Where the fear has gone there will be nothing. Only I will remain.”
― Frank Herbert, Dune

Anyone fleeing up to Canada, feel free to stop by for a game on your way up the Northway.

I hope our nation can get past the divide that has been fostered this election. That we can pull together. I hope our system of checks and balances can curb any excesses from our new president. I hope a lot of his empty rhetoric was, in fact, empty. It’s going to be an interesting four years. But if we stand together, we can weather it, and hopefully come out stronger.

Ask your parents or your grandparents about the 1960s, the Vietnam War, civil rights, and how divided the nation was....

They got through it. You guys will get through this....

Exactly!

It will be a...bumpy ride at times, but 4 years from now, well, I'm sure it will all be OK.

Checks and balances for the win!

 Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote:
I've said it once, I'll say it again: after 15 years of disaster in Iraq and Afghanistan, Trump's foreign policy is exactly what the USA needs right now, if he holds true to his earlier comments.

Sensible, pragmatic, realpolitik. Don't run towards a battle, but never run away from one, either....

That will hopefully be Trump's foreign policy.

Military action in Iraq and Afghanistan only served to stoke the flames of Islamic extremism. There are more insurgents and terrorists now than ever, and unfortunately there no easy solutions. No amount of bombs or intervention is going to make this problem go away. Eventually, we will have to concede that the war on terror is a war we can't win. If we started now, with the right blend of policies and reforms, then maybe the problem might peter out in a few generations, so our great grandchildren won't have to deal with it. That's the only way out. The idea that it might be solved within our lifetime is just wishful thinking.

Personally, I don't think Trump has the temperament to resist stoking the fire, which will just drag things out indefinitely.

 jasper76 wrote:
Does anyone know of a cool video game that takes about 4 years to beat?

If you don't use savestates: TMNT on the NES could easily take that long. I've had it for about 24 years now, and I still can't get past level 4.

Trump: 58,842,289 Popular Votes
Hillary: 58,875,708 Popular Votes
Johnson: 3,814,239 Popular Votes

Ignoring the other also-rans, that's 121,532,236.

As of yesterday, there were 200 million registered voters.

There are 241 million people of voting age.

4 million can't vote due to being felons or other reasons.

~115,467,764 people, 48.7% decided yesterday wasn't important. Just like every election.

Well done.

So, Trump has won, and we all lose because of it.

A man who wants to basically ban a religion. A man who makes fun of the disabled. A man who insults POWs. A man who insults gold star families. A man who wants to wall us off from another country. A man who publicly professed admiration for tyrants and dictators. A man who believes he can do whatever he wants to a woman because he has the power and she does not. And so on.

And Americans decided they were ok with all of that. Whatever reasons they used to justify it (he's not Hillary, SCOTUS nominees, the party will keep him in check, etc.), they have still sent the message that one can do all of that, and still be elected.

We say we want better politicians, but we then elect someone with many of the worst qualities in humanity. And now we're going to get more like him, because if it worked for him, it will work for others.

That's why we all lost last night.


I wish everybody the best of luck, but I'm going to stay away from this thread for a day or two.

Trump's potential problem, which he hasn't yet understood, is that his campaign has mobilised some forces at the grass roots that he may not be able to satisfy or control.

So Trump. You promised everyone a fething wall.

How are you going to get it done?

Go on, then. Let's see you pull that out of your hat.

Enjoy some exit polls.

 Vankraken wrote:

Prestor Jon wrote:

 Vankraken wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
[i]
All overreactions to nothing. Dubya didn't suspend elections and become the Eternal President of America (or Hitler, as he was so often called). Obama didn't march everyone into FEMA death camps to be forcibly converted to Communist Islam whilst stealing all their guns!!! Trump isn't going to start launching nukes at Mecca.

The issue isn't so much a Trump presidency but that the GOP has control of every branch of the government. That much control means they can pass whatever the party wants and there is little to nothing the Dems can do to stop it. Affordable Care Act is gone 100% (there goes my health insurance) and we will probably see bills passing that attack LGBT rights, women's reproductive rights, environmental regulation, worker rights, funding for social services, etc.

Wrong. The Republicans don't have a super majority they have a narrow majority in the Senste. The Republicans have less than 60 seats in the Senate so they aren't filibuster proof and they are going to need virtually every Republican in the Senate to vote in unison among party lines to pass legislation which is much harder to do than you think.

Repealing Obamacare has been the GOP's big target legislation for years and any Republican that doesn't vote for that will condemn themselves to being a party traitor. Same for a good deal of other platform issues as well. Dems can only Filibuster so much before it hurts their popularity and set themselves up for a tougher time during midterm elections. Only hope for the senate is that the rift in the GOP that Trump caused disrupts that unity and we have senators willing to reach across the aisle. In the end either party having majority control in all 3 branches is not good for the country.

I dunno, non stop filibustering and holding up the process seemed to work for the Republicans...

 kronk wrote:
So Trump. You promised everyone a fething wall.

How are you going to get it done?

Go on, then. Let's see you pull that out of your hat.

He did not just promise a wall. He promised a wall paid by Mexico.

Just wait for him to invade the country to get the money that way.

Dear America,

Thank you for electing Trump. Now we dont look half as stupid as we did after Brexit.
Someone managed to take away candidate Trump's twitter access towards the end
of the election; can someone else please take away President Trump's missile
launch codes.

Won't Republican Senators and Congress people have to go along with Trump?

What with the whole "if we don't, we look like traitors to the base who just voted him in?"

 Ahtman wrote:
Enjoy some exit polls.

After Brexit and now Trump, forgive me if I have no faith in polls

 Mozzyfuzzy wrote:
Won't Republican Senators and Congress people have to go along with Trump?

What with the whole "if we don't, we look like traitors to the base who just voted him in?"

I think a Trump victory might be more destructive to the republican party then a loss.

Demographics are shifting away from them. Some Rs might see the writing on the wall and not embrace some of the party platforms that are stuck in the past. Party politics can only go so far. And when Trump is not able to deliver the promises he made on the campaign trail, and turns out to be another regular lying politician, I think the angry mob he mobilized is going to turn on him, and the rest of the party.

Next 4 years are going to be interesting.

AllSeeingSkink wrote:

 Ahtman wrote:
Enjoy some exit polls.

After Brexit and now Trump, forgive me if I have no faith in polls

Polls were giving trump a 30%-ish chance before the election. That's a 3+ save. That he won doesn't mean the polls were wrong it just means we rolled a 1.

I love the taste of CTR tears.

 Tannhauser42 wrote:

A man who wants to basically ban a religion. A man who makes fun of the disabled. A man who insults POWs. A man who insults gold star families. A man who wants to wall us off from another country. A man who publicly professed admiration for tyrants and dictators. A man who believes he can do whatever he wants to a woman because he has the power and she does not. And so on.

Those aren't the problems with his policies, they are the reason for the disenfranchised and downtrodden to vote for him as a way of slapping the face of the power elite from Capital Hill, Wall St and elsewhere where power lies.

The problem here is that POTUS isnt remotely as powerful a position as people think it is. Many other heads of state have larger relative power, and has diluted influence over the judiciary and legislature the presidents influence on the economy is little more than petitionary, and the office really only has direct control over the foreign policy and military. You could put a chimp in the oval office and the country can run more or less as normal.

This is relevant because the disenfranchised voter who knows Trump is a bad candidate and that is exactly why they vote for him will find over the next four years that a savvy corporate stooge like Hillary Clinton has more chance and reason to steer the economy in favour of greater equality than a buffoon like Trump who will be seen as a chewtoy by Wall St.

Is there anyone on here that likes/endorses/backs Trump?
Out of interest?

 Orlanth wrote:

 Tannhauser42 wrote:

A man who wants to basically ban a religion. A man who makes fun of the disabled. A man who insults POWs. A man who insults gold star families. A man who wants to wall us off from another country. A man who publicly professed admiration for tyrants and dictators. A man who believes he can do whatever he wants to a woman because he has the power and she does not. And so on.

Those aren't the problems with his policies, they are the reason for the disenfranchised and downtrodden to vote for him as a way of slapping the face of the power elite from Capital Hill, Wall St and elsewhere where power lies.

The problem here is that POTUS isnt remotely as powerful a position as people think it is. Many other heads of state have larger relative power, and has diluted influence over the judiciary and legislature the presidents influence on the economy is little more than petitionary, and the office really only has direct control over the foreign policy and military. You could put a chimp in the oval office and the country can run more or less as normal.

This is relevant because the disenfranchised voter who knows Trump is a bad candidate and that is exactly why they vote for him will find over the next four years that a savvy corporate stooge like Hillary Clinton has more chance and reason to steer the economy in favour of greater equality than a buffoon like Trump who will be seen as a chewtoy by Wall St.

This right here...is why Trump won. You could have dressed up a billygoat with a suit and tie, and it would have won vs hilary clinton. I think Bernie would have beaten trump by the way.

GG

It's so hilarious now that the shoe is on the other foot.

Listen we survived 8 years of Obama. Y'all will survive a few 4-8 years of Trump.

And my god, are we really panicking over Trump launching nukes? And Y'all accuse the right of hyperbole?

The real danger of the President, is having a Congress who is completely aligned with him. At that point, the USSC is the only real check/balance.

The only real concern I have is how stupid Congress get's over the next two years. Do they go all 2008 on us, or do they mellow out and take it easy?

 Ratius wrote:
Is there anyone on here that likes/endorses/backs Trump?
Out of interest?

well ....


BAE Systems, one of the biggest weapons manufacturers in the world, has seen its shares hit a record high today on that Trump victory




bodes well eh ?

Stocks as a whole seem to be up so far today.

 djones520 wrote:
The real danger of the President, is having a Congress who is completely aligned with him. At that point, the USSC is the only real check/balance.

The only real concern I have is how stupid Congress get's over the next two years. Do they go all 2008 on us, or do they mellow out and take it easy?

They won't won't work with Trump well at all, R or D. Too many of the Rs are beholden to the establishment type system that got them where they are and will want to protect it. They will be terrified of the 2018 elections and try to appear as a 'moderate check on the Presidency' so that the media doesn't crucify them too badly.