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 Pouncey wrote:

 Frazzled wrote:

 Peregrine wrote:

 Pouncey wrote:
Okay, that makes sense.

But that's not what I was hearing when you tell me it's a "tax on poor people."

What you heard is not my problem, my very first post on the gas tax issue said the exact same thing.

Ok lets move on from that shall we?

Yeah, I kinda wanna know why the country with 35,000 Syrian Refugees living in it thinks the problem with terrorists masquerading as refugees is so insignificant its citizens are spending their own money to bring more over here, while the country neighbouring that country with 0 Syrian Refugees in it is freaking out about the possibility.

Mmm fair question.
-We have more than 95,000 here.
-There have been multiple attacks here.
*9/11 one
*9/11 two
*apartment guy
*shoe bomber
*underwear bomber
*NY square attempted bomber
*Boston bombers
*recent NY/NJ bomber
*military base attempt thwarted
*Fort Hood Bomber
*art contest attacker
*recruiting center shooters
*San Bernardino
*Pulse

Those are the ones off hand I can think of. Wow thats a lot longer than I thought.

 Frazzled wrote:


Mmm fair question.
-We have more than 95,000 here.
-There have been multiple attacks here.
*9/11 one
*9/11 two
*apartment guy
*shoe bomber
*underwear bomber
*NY square attempted bomber
*Boston bombers
*recent NY/NJ bomber
*military base attempt thwarted
*Fort Hood Bomber
*art contest attacker
*recruiting center shooters
*San Bernardino
*Pulse

Those are the ones off hand I can think of. Wow thats a lot longer than I thought.

How many of those were done by refugees?

 Lord of Deeds wrote:

 Pouncey wrote:

 Stevefamine wrote:
I just read through five pages of Pouncey posting, and I can't take your view seriously with the avatar.

Deep hatred for poor people confirmed

I don't hate poor people.

I just think that literally stopping bridges from collapsing and stopping dams from bursting is important enough to start actually solving instead of just talking about finding ways to solve.

What....you mean actually doing something before bad stuff happens that we were pretty sure was going to happen? That is totally un-American. We wait until the **it hits the fan because...well....you know 'Merica and stuff

It's like we are addicted to the adrenaline of being in constant crisis/complain mode about something, kind a like this thread at times....

Canadians are the same way, actually. We had the same problem with our infrastructure, but we started getting it fixed when we realized how serious the problem was.

Unfortunately, we only realized how serious the problem was when an overpass near Montreal killed five people when it collapsed on people who were driving on a highway due to lack of routine maintenance about a decade ago. Because the entire nation watched on the news as rescue workers tried for days to rescue people who had survived the collapse but were stuck under the concrete. We couldn't ignore it anymore.

It's even more unfortunate that simply relaying this story isn't enough, and the US will have to have their own version of that story before anything changes.

 Frazzled wrote:

 Pouncey wrote:

 Frazzled wrote:

 Peregrine wrote:

 Pouncey wrote:
Okay, that makes sense.

But that's not what I was hearing when you tell me it's a "tax on poor people."

What you heard is not my problem, my very first post on the gas tax issue said the exact same thing.

Ok lets move on from that shall we?

Yeah, I kinda wanna know why the country with 35,000 Syrian Refugees living in it thinks the problem with terrorists masquerading as refugees is so insignificant its citizens are spending their own money to bring more over here, while the country neighbouring that country with 0 Syrian Refugees in it is freaking out about the possibility.

Mmm fair question.
-We have more than 95,000 here.
-There have been multiple attacks here.
*9/11 one
*9/11 two
*apartment guy
*shoe bomber
*underwear bomber
*NY square attempted bomber
*Boston bombers
*recent NY/NJ bomber
*military base attempt thwarted
*Fort Hood Bomber
*art contest attacker
*recruiting center shooters
*San Bernardino
*Pulse

Those are the ones off hand I can think of. Wow thats a lot longer than I thought.

You list is self serving crap.

86 the ones that were not committed by Syrian refugees. How many are left?

I guess I shouldn't be surprised. Next you'll say they all look alike as well.

Ender502

 Pouncey wrote:

 Frazzled wrote:
WE we did start a successful war over a tax on tea. So you can understand we get uppity about it. No taxation without baconation!!!

Didn't that entire war happen over three hundred years before you were born?

Given this country is only 240 years old, that means... OMG! Frazzled is a time traveler.

 Co'tor Shas wrote:

 Frazzled wrote:


Mmm fair question.
-We have more than 95,000 here.
-There have been multiple attacks here.
*9/11 one
*9/11 two
*apartment guy
*shoe bomber
*underwear bomber
*NY square attempted bomber
*Boston bombers
*recent NY/NJ bomber
*military base attempt thwarted
*Fort Hood Bomber
*art contest attacker
*recruiting center shooters
*San Bernardino
*Pulse

Those are the ones off hand I can think of. Wow thats a lot longer than I thought.

How many of those were done by refugees?

Good Q. refugees, child of and visa guys
-We have more than 95,000 here.
-There have been multiple attacks here.
*9/11 one
*9/11 two
*Underwear bomber
*NY square attempted bomber
*Boston bombers
*recent NY/NJ bomber
*military base attempt thwarted
*San Bernardino
*Pulse

 Frazzled wrote:

 Pouncey wrote:

 Frazzled wrote:

 Peregrine wrote:

 Pouncey wrote:
Okay, that makes sense.

But that's not what I was hearing when you tell me it's a "tax on poor people."

What you heard is not my problem, my very first post on the gas tax issue said the exact same thing.

Ok lets move on from that shall we?

Yeah, I kinda wanna know why the country with 35,000 Syrian Refugees living in it thinks the problem with terrorists masquerading as refugees is so insignificant its citizens are spending their own money to bring more over here, while the country neighbouring that country with 0 Syrian Refugees in it is freaking out about the possibility.

Mmm fair question.
-We have more than 95,000 here.
-There have been multiple attacks here.
*9/11 one
*9/11 two
*apartment guy
*shoe bomber
*underwear bomber
*NY square attempted bomber
*Boston bombers
*recent NY/NJ bomber
*military base attempt thwarted
*Fort Hood Bomber
*art contest attacker
*recruiting center shooters
*San Bernardino
*Pulse

Those are the ones off hand I can think of. Wow thats a lot longer than I thought.

Remind me again how many people in the USA were murdered by other Americans in the past 15 years?

 Pouncey wrote:

 Lord of Deeds wrote:

 Pouncey wrote:

 Stevefamine wrote:
I just read through five pages of Pouncey posting, and I can't take your view seriously with the avatar.

Deep hatred for poor people confirmed

I don't hate poor people.

I just think that literally stopping bridges from collapsing and stopping dams from bursting is important enough to start actually solving instead of just talking about finding ways to solve.

What....you mean actually doing something before bad stuff happens that we were pretty sure was going to happen? That is totally un-American. We wait until the **it hits the fan because...well....you know 'Merica and stuff

It's like we are addicted to the adrenaline of being in constant crisis/complain mode about something, kind a like this thread at times....

Canadians are the same way, actually. We had the same problem with our infrastructure, but we started getting it fixed when we realized how serious the problem was.

Unfortunately, we only realized how serious the problem was when an overpass near Montreal killed five people when it collapsed on people who were driving on a highway due to lack of routine maintenance about a decade ago. Because the entire nation watched on the news as rescue workers tried for days to rescue people who had survived the collapse but were stuck under the concrete. We couldn't ignore it anymore.

It's even more unfortunate that simply relaying this story isn't enough, and the US will have to have their own version of that story before anything changes.

They have, 7 years ago a major bridge in minn collapsed killing 13. Most bridges in the US are graded and most are failing. They'd rather wait for them to collapse before trying to fix them.


let's see about 30k a year, so 450k gun related deaths. Averaging more than 1 mass shooting a day.

Its not relevant.

The argument is that we already have murderers here. Bringing in more murderers seems antithetical to logic.
We should also note we have hundreds of thousands/millions of refugees from other countries already, and thats just from Central America. Canada doesn't.

You list is self serving crap.

86 the ones that were not committed by Syrian refugees. How many are left?

I guess I shouldn't be surprised. Next you'll say they all look alike as well.

Ender502

Incorrect, its Yankees that all look alike to me. Get it right.
I am just trying to provide information on some of the arguments.

It's weird he mentioned stuff that predates ISIS.

Yep. Islamofascism has taken many forms. AlQaeda, Taliban, Hamas, Hezzbullah, Isil, Al Shabob. I am sure there are muoltiple other groups in Syria alone.

 ender502 wrote:

 Frazzled wrote:

 Pouncey wrote:

 Frazzled wrote:

 Peregrine wrote:

 Pouncey wrote:
Okay, that makes sense.

But that's not what I was hearing when you tell me it's a "tax on poor people."

What you heard is not my problem, my very first post on the gas tax issue said the exact same thing.

Ok lets move on from that shall we?

Yeah, I kinda wanna know why the country with 35,000 Syrian Refugees living in it thinks the problem with terrorists masquerading as refugees is so insignificant its citizens are spending their own money to bring more over here, while the country neighbouring that country with 0 Syrian Refugees in it is freaking out about the possibility.

Mmm fair question.
-We have more than 95,000 here.
-There have been multiple attacks here.
*9/11 one
*9/11 two
*apartment guy
*shoe bomber
*underwear bomber
*NY square attempted bomber
*Boston bombers
*recent NY/NJ bomber
*military base attempt thwarted
*Fort Hood Bomber
*art contest attacker
*recruiting center shooters
*San Bernardino
*Pulse

Those are the ones off hand I can think of. Wow thats a lot longer than I thought.

You list is self serving crap.

86 the ones that were not committed by Syrian refugees. How many are left?

I guess I shouldn't be surprised. Next you'll say they all look alike as well.

Ender502

It's weird he mentioned stuff that predates ISIS.

 Frazzled wrote:
Its not relevant.

The argument is that we already have murderers here. Bringing in more murderers seems antithetical to logic.
We should also note we have hundreds of thousands/millions of refugees from other countries already, and thats just from Central America. Canada doesn't.

bringing in more would be like tossing a pebble into a lake, you`d never notice a difference. The fact is that no refugees turn out to be murderers or terrorists, so you can keep helping people displaced by the wars we`re involved in.

 Frazzled wrote:
Its not relevant.

The argument is that we already have murderers here. Bringing in more murderers seems antithetical to logic.

The odds of a Syrian Refugee being a terrorist are about 1 in 50,000.

Imagine if you had a town of 50,000 people, 49,999 of whom are completely ordinary people. 1 is a nutjob builds a bomb completely on his own and kills people with it. Would you start saying that you can no longer trust the other 49,999 people who lived in that town where one guy was a nutjob and killed people, simply because they lived in the same town he did?

sirlynchmob wrote:

 Frazzled wrote:
Its not relevant.

The argument is that we already have murderers here. Bringing in more murderers seems antithetical to logic.
We should also note we have hundreds of thousands/millions of refugees from other countries already, and thats just from Central America. Canada doesn't.

bringing in more would be like tossing a pebble into a lake, you`d never notice a difference. The fact is that no refugees turn out to be murderers or terrorists, so you can keep helping people displaced by the wars we`re involved in.

Ask the dead about the Pulse Nightclub that, or the Boston Marathon participants.


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 Pouncey wrote:

 Frazzled wrote:
Its not relevant.

The argument is that we already have murderers here. Bringing in more murderers seems antithetical to logic.

The odds of a Syrian Refugee being a terrorist are about 1 in 50,000.

If they are not in your country, then the odds are none in 50,000.

Imagine if you had a town of 50,000 people, 49,999 of whom are completely ordinary people. 1 is a nutjob builds a bomb completely on his own and kills people with it. Would you start saying that you can no longer trust the other 49,999 people who lived in that town where one guy was a nutjob and killed people, simply because they lived in the same town he did?

Imagine a town where you had crime and massive unemployment. Then you want to bring in several thousand more, some of who may have been recruited to kill a couple of hundred of you. At best they are going to take your job. At worst they are going to take your job and then kill you.

And then there's Frazzled view:

 Frazzled wrote:

sirlynchmob wrote:

 Frazzled wrote:
Its not relevant.

The argument is that we already have murderers here. Bringing in more murderers seems antithetical to logic.
We should also note we have hundreds of thousands/millions of refugees from other countries already, and thats just from Central America. Canada doesn't.

bringing in more would be like tossing a pebble into a lake, you`d never notice a difference. The fact is that no refugees turn out to be murderers or terrorists, so you can keep helping people displaced by the wars we`re involved in.

Ask the dead about the Pulse Nightclub that, or the Boston Marathon participants.

I live in Ottawa, Canada's capitol city. It's a fairly significant target for a terror attack.

There are 35,000 Syrian Refugees in my country. About 1 in 50,000 of them are terrorists.

The fact that there's probably somewhere between 0 and 1 extra nutjob who might kill people in my country, on top of the ones who were born here, as a result of giving 35,000 people a safe place to live and have a new life away from a war-torn area of the planet, is a risk I am comfortable with given the benefits of doing the right thing.

 Frazzled wrote:

sirlynchmob wrote:

 Frazzled wrote:
Its not relevant.

The argument is that we already have murderers here. Bringing in more murderers seems antithetical to logic.
We should also note we have hundreds of thousands/millions of refugees from other countries already, and thats just from Central America. Canada doesn't.

bringing in more would be like tossing a pebble into a lake, you`d never notice a difference. The fact is that no refugees turn out to be murderers or terrorists, so you can keep helping people displaced by the wars we`re involved in.

Ask the dead about the Pulse Nightclub that, or the Boston Marathon participants.

pulse nightclub was by an american with a gun, not a refugee.

 Frazzled wrote:

Imagine if you had a town of 50,000 people, 49,999 of whom are completely ordinary people. 1 is a nutjob builds a bomb completely on his own and kills people with it. Would you start saying that you can no longer trust the other 49,999 people who lived in that town where one guy was a nutjob and killed people, simply because they lived in the same town he did?

Imagine a town where you had crime and massive unemployment. Then you want to bring in several thousand more, some of who may have been recruited to kill a couple of hundred of you. At best they are going to take your job. At worst they are going to take your job and then kill you.

If your sample size is several thousand, then stating the likely number of terrorists among them as 1 would be far, far overstating the risk. Calling it "some" is just an indicator that you didn't even do the math.

Calling it "some" is just an indicator that you didn't even do the math.

Math is hard. Shredding paper is easy. When you come in early, sometimes you can still hear the faint sound of Arthur Anderson shredders going full speed.

I live in Ottawa, Canada's capitol city. It's a fairly significant target for a terror attack.

I live in Texas. Its a fairly significant target for a God attack. In fact, God only hates Australia more than Texas. Thats because we are her favorites!


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sirlynchmob wrote:

 Frazzled wrote:

sirlynchmob wrote:

 Frazzled wrote:
Its not relevant.

The argument is that we already have murderers here. Bringing in more murderers seems antithetical to logic.
We should also note we have hundreds of thousands/millions of refugees from other countries already, and thats just from Central America. Canada doesn't.

bringing in more would be like tossing a pebble into a lake, you`d never notice a difference. The fact is that no refugees turn out to be murderers or terrorists, so you can keep helping people displaced by the wars we`re involved in.

Ask the dead about the Pulse Nightclub that, or the Boston Marathon participants.

pulse nightclub was by an american with a gun, not a refugee.

Son of Afghan parents.

Lets take a pause and make a note. I am arguing a point, a position. I am not actually taking this position, so don't get your panties in a wad. Personally unless you're family or a wiener dog owner you're all a threat and a waste of skin. Thats why everyone says I'm a people person.

 Frazzled wrote:


I live in Ottawa, Canada's capitol city. It's a fairly significant target for a terror attack.

I live in Texas. Its a fairly significant target for a God attack. In fact, God only hates Australia more than Texas. Thats because we are her favorites!

Do Americans actually believe God will attack them?

Honestly, I start to wonder... Even if any of these refugees wanted to go to the USA for some reason, would the refugees be safe from the people who already live there given how much Americans seem to hate people from the Middle East?


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 Frazzled wrote:

Calling it "some" is just an indicator that you didn't even do the math.

Math is hard. Shredding paper is easy. When you come in early, sometimes you can still hear the faint sound of Arthur Anderson shredders going full speed.

I live in Ottawa, Canada's capitol city. It's a fairly significant target for a terror attack.

I live in Texas. Its a fairly significant target for a God attack. In fact, God only hates Australia more than Texas. Thats because we are her favorites!


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sirlynchmob wrote:

 Frazzled wrote:

sirlynchmob wrote:

 Frazzled wrote:
Its not relevant.

The argument is that we already have murderers here. Bringing in more murderers seems antithetical to logic.
We should also note we have hundreds of thousands/millions of refugees from other countries already, and thats just from Central America. Canada doesn't.

bringing in more would be like tossing a pebble into a lake, you`d never notice a difference. The fact is that no refugees turn out to be murderers or terrorists, so you can keep helping people displaced by the wars we`re involved in.

Ask the dead about the Pulse Nightclub that, or the Boston Marathon participants.

pulse nightclub was by an american with a gun, not a refugee.

Son of Afghan parents.

The number of murders in the USA is so much higher than the number of Americans killed in terror attacks on American soil there's no question about the difference.

Yet the fact your own neighbours are more of a threat to you than a terrorist seems to be a fact you're bizarrely okay with.

 Frazzled wrote:

 Co'tor Shas wrote:

 Frazzled wrote:


Mmm fair question.
-We have more than 95,000 here.
-There have been multiple attacks here.
*9/11 one
*9/11 two
*apartment guy
*shoe bomber
*underwear bomber
*NY square attempted bomber
*Boston bombers
*recent NY/NJ bomber
*military base attempt thwarted
*Fort Hood Bomber
*art contest attacker
*recruiting center shooters
*San Bernardino
*Pulse

Those are the ones off hand I can think of. Wow thats a lot longer than I thought.

How many of those were done by refugees?

Good Q. refugees, child of and visa guys
-We have more than 95,000 here.
-There have been multiple attacks here.
*9/11 one
*9/11 two
*Underwear bomber
*NY square attempted bomber
*Boston bombers
*recent NY/NJ bomber
*military base attempt thwarted
*San Bernardino
*Pulse

You are using the term refugee and then using instances that include immigrants.2 very different things. Further, you are using instances that include American born citizens who are neither refugees or immigrants. The only way to include Americans I with your list is to lump them in by religion or that they look similar. Either way your prejudice toward either religion or race is showing.

Ender502

Breotan wrote:
Given this country is only 240 years old, that means... OMG! Frazzled is a time traveler.

It would explain why sometimes he talks about attacks that have not happened yet.

Frazzled wrote:
Good Q. refugees, child of and visa guys
-We have more than 95,000 here.
-There have been multiple attacks here.
*9/11 one
*9/11 two
*Underwear bomber
*NY square attempted bomber
*Boston bombers
*recent NY/NJ bomber
*military base attempt thwarted
*San Bernardino
*Pulse

Fraz, since 1975 the US admitted over 3 million refugees from around the world. That 95k is how many the US accepts each year.

In the same space of time, there have been 87 100% American serial killers on the loose in the US. Who have (with the noted exception of the 9/11 attack) killed more Americans than non American terrorists have.

Do Americans actually believe God will attack them?

We have hurricanes, droughts, hail, tornadoes, flooding, mosquitoes, scorpions, brown recluse and black widow spiders, rattlers, cotton mouths, water moccasins, good old boys and Californians.

And thats just on good days. Going into East Texas is a safari into the abyss.

Yet the fact your own neighbours are more of a threat to you than a terrorist seems to be a fact you're bizarrely okay with.

Um...you might want to review my posts before you make that statement....just saying...

Either way your prejudice toward either religion or race is showing.

Ender502

Its like RIGHT AFTER I POST THAT I AM JUST ARGUING A POINT you post that. Seriously?

Fraz, since 1975 the US admitted over 3 million refugees from around the world. That 95k is how many the US accepts each year.

Its almost like its an argument based as much on fear as on logic.

In the same space of time, there have been 87 100% American serial killers on the loose in the US. Who have (with the noted exception of the 9/11 attack) killed more Americans than non American terrorists have.

You got nothin on me buddy. I carry this shovel around because sometimes I like to dig holes. Giant fuzzy bunny costime.. hold on now I can explain that too...

 Pouncey wrote:

Yet the fact your own neighbours are more of a threat to you than a terrorist seems to be a fact you're bizarrely okay with.

Those of us from Pennsylvania and Texas are used to that sort of thing. We 'know' to watch out when the neighbors start rolling out the 25 pounders.

 ender502 wrote:
You are using the term refugee and then using instances that include immigrants.2 very different things. Further, you are using instances that include American born citizens who are neither refugees or immigrants. The only way to include Americans I with your list is to lump them in by religion or that they look similar. Either way your prejudice toward either religion or race is showing.

Ender502

Well, obviously.

Anyone who can do basic math properly can figure out the risks of 1 in 50000 Syrian refugees might be a terrrorist means it's not a problem worth worrying about. It's always been the bigotry that's the reason they're so afraid, though I think the fact that you're questioning whether it's religion or race is overlooking the fact that it's obviously both.

You don't just say it though, you try to convince them of what the actual risk is so they feel silly and realize it was their own bigotry the whole time.

 Pouncey wrote:


Do Americans actually believe God will attack them?

Yes, at least 25% of them still think hurricanes are punishments for allowing gay people to live in america.

http://www.advocate.com/politics/2012/10/31/10-disasters-gays-were-blamed-causing?page=full

 Frazzled wrote:

Do Americans actually believe God will attack them?

We have hurricanes, droughts, hail, tornadoes, flooding, mosquitoes, scorpions, brown recluse and black widow spiders, rattlers, cotton mouths, water moccasins, good old boys and Californians.

And thats just on good days. Going into East Texas is a safari into the abyss.

Is your country's science education so bad you literally attribute the existence of weather, animals, and humans to a deliberate attack on you by a supernatural deity?

Yet the fact your own neighbours are more of a threat to you than a terrorist seems to be a fact you're bizarrely okay with.

Um...you might want to review my posts before you make that statement....just saying...

Well, you should be more worried about your own citizens killing you, because it's much, much more likely.

 BaronIveagh wrote:

 Pouncey wrote:

Yet the fact your own neighbours are more of a threat to you than a terrorist seems to be a fact you're bizarrely okay with.

Those of us from Pennsylvania and Texas are used to that sort of thing. We 'know' to watch out when the neighbors start rolling out the 25 pounders.

Finally someone who understands.

"Here use this cannon fuse."
"Why do you have cannon fuse?"
"For my cannon."

http://www.cdc.gov/foodborneburden/2011-foodborne-estimates.html

Each year about 3000 people in the US die from food poisoning. Terrorists haven't come close to those numbers.

Where is your outrage?

I don't even know why I bother with facts. The Republicans will just say they have a liberal bias.

Your hard on for terrorism and their threat, in the face of the far deadlier threats we face, betrays your actual intent. To label an entire people with a lable to satisfy your own anxiety because they are....oh shudder..different.

Ender502

sirlynchmob wrote:

 Pouncey wrote:


Do Americans actually believe God will attack them?

Yes, at least 25% of them still think hurricanes are punishments for allowing gay people to live in america.

http://www.advocate.com/politics/2012/10/31/10-disasters-gays-were-blamed-causing?page=full

I have no response to the fact I just read that. I am speechless.


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 ender502 wrote:
http://www.cdc.gov/foodborneburden/2011-foodborne-estimates.html

Each year about 3000 people in the US die from food poisoning. Terrorists haven't come close to those numbers.

Where is your outrage?

I don't even know why I bother with facts. The Republicans will just say they have a liberal bias.

Your hard on for terrorism and their threat, in the face of the far deadlier threats we face, betrays your actual intent. To label an entire people with a lable to satisfy your own anxiety because they are....oh shudder..different.

Ender502

I seem to recall that more Americans were killed on American soil by cows than terrorists since after 9/11.

Is your country's science education so bad you literally attribute the existence of weather, animals, and humans to a deliberate attack on you by a supernatural deity?

Well yea. When you go outside to get your paper, see God standing there and he immediately punches you in the dick and says 'thats what you get!' You realize...mmm

Yet the fact your own neighbours are more of a threat to you than a terrorist seems to be a fact you're bizarrely okay with.

Um...you might want to review my posts before you make that statement....just saying...

Well, you should be more worried about your own citizens killing you, because it's much, much more likely.

 Frazzled wrote:
No you misinterpret. I'm the guy who when he dies wants to be cremated, formed into bullets, and shot at a specific list of people. Its a long list.

Personally, I hope what will happen after I die is that my brain will be examined by medical researchers to develop a medication with fewer side effects than the ones currently available, because I seem to be very good at tolerating them that there's a real possibility studying my brain can help people.

The rest of my body will be cremated and then kept in a sealed box and treated with a degree of respect I do not deem necessary.

Your will would be impossible to enforce though, because your will doesn't supersede the law and murdering people is still illegal even if you dictate their deaths in your will.

Also, realize that when you're eating a steak or a hamburger, the animal whose meat you're eating, while it was alive, was a bigger threat to your life than terrorism.