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The Adepta Sororitas are a T3 3+ save army with bolters. They have Acts of Faith, Rhinos and Immolators, and several unit types; and they include Priests, Penitent Engines and Arco-Flagellants (and Crusaders etc).

Stormtroopers are a T3 4+ save army with hellguns. Stormtroopers have Orders. They travel in Valkyries, Chimeras or Tauroxes.

Chronologically, Stormtroopers were introduced in the 2nd Edition Codex: Imperial Guard. Sisters of Battle have been around since Rogue Trader. Sisters of Battle got their own codex before Stormtroopers did (long before - in the closing years of 2nd Edition in fact).

Sisters of Battle give Imperial players a Powered Armour army that excels at the mid-range firefight, and which embodies the faith and fury of the Cult Imperialis. It is unique amongst the Imperial forces, and unique amongst the armies of 40K, not just because it is comprised almost entirely of female figures.

 Melissia wrote:
Are you referring to 30k?


I'd like to point out that all of those armies are Marines, so they're all pretty similar to begin with, unlike Deathwatch, Grey Knights, Sisters of Battle, Arbites, Inquisition, and the other Misc. Imperial Forces.

He may refer to the Crusade Imperialis book, which fits in the Imperial Militia, Warp Cults, Solar Auxilia and Questoris Knight Crusade lists in one book.

See, with that as precedent, you could easily do a Codex: Cult Imperialis or Codex: Imperial Truth or something, which contains:

Sisters of Battle
Ecclesiarchy forces (Frateris Militia, priests, arco-flagellants, etc)
Adeptus Arbites

That'd be nice. I'd buy that.

Or instead GW could put some actual fething effort in to it and give them their own books. Because if Random Space Marine Chapter #377 can get its own book, factions with ACTUAL differences should get theirs, too.

Because, frankly, Sisters are worth the effort, no matter how much you rudely want to gak on the faction and say they aren't.

Oh, I completely agree. But I'd love to see the Arbites and the Ecclesiarchy represented too, and putting them in with the Sisters makes a certain degree of sense given that the Sororitas are primarily a garrison force whose role is to protect pilgrims, shrine worlds, and Ecclesiarchical holdings, which means that they and the Arbites are often the first line of defence when the PDF splits in the inevitable cult-driven civil war!

Really I think what they need to look at is the completion of the "Inquisition triumverate" and have an overarching codex to cover the Inquisition as a whole.

The Grey knights fight demons, the new deathwatch release covers Xenos and there needs to be an inquisition/ecclesiarchy set to cover Heresy.

This would include the AS as a whole (and the SoB especially) with scope to bring in more aspects of the imperial cult. the army though will need to be rounded and purposeful rather than just "female space marine equivalents in high heels and "Chesty" armour".

Treating the SoB as a separate "female fighting force"/Ecclesiarchy army would be more problematic when it comes to sales and overall usage i think though...

K.

In the recent fluff, both the Grey Knights and the Deathwatch are becoming more and more independant of the inquisition - in their Codex, the DW are just said to work with them.

The Sororitas is the same - they may act with or for the Ordo Herecticus, but they are act indepentandly as the GK adn DW - in a similar manner they have their own ships.

Gen.Steiner wrote:
See, with that as precedent, you could easily do a Codex: Cult Imperialis or Codex: Imperial Truth or something, which contains:

Sisters of Battle
Ecclesiarchy forces (Frateris Militia, priests, arco-flagellants, etc)
Adeptus Arbites

That'd be nice. I'd buy that.

I'd be happy to buy a codex with just sisters in it, but I'm not going to complain if the other Ecclesiarchy forces make it into the book as well.

Well, looking at their Codex history, the Ecclesiarchy has always been represented alongside the Sisters in some form or another. I don't think that'll change. I'd just like to see it expanded.

The "jam everything in one codex" argument just seems to be more along the lines of "I don't care so just throw them in so people will shut up about them so GW can work on something I actually care about"-- or, in other words, you're asking for the equivalent of the latest Sisters "codex", a "book" that added nothing and actually took a lot of options away.

Me? I want an Adepta Sororitas book with the size and internal complexity and consistency of the Space Marine codex.

Melissia wrote:Or instead GW could put some actual fething effort in to it and give them their own books. Because if Random Space Marine Chapter #377 can get its own book, factions with ACTUAL differences should get theirs, too.

Because, frankly, Sisters are worth the effort, no matter how much you rudely want to gak on the faction and say they aren't.

Melissia wrote:The "jam everything in one codex" argument just seems to be more along the lines of "I don't care so just throw them in so people will shut up about them so GW can work on something I actually care about"-- or, in other words, you're asking for the equivalent of the latest Sisters "codex", a "book" that added nothing and actually took a lot of options away.

Me? I want an Adepta Sororitas book with the size and internal complexity and consistency of the Space Marine codex.

So basically you would rather have no faction update at all if your only other choice was to include smaller IoM units/forces in the book to buff sales up to what GW expects from a new release? Because that's what I'm basically getting from you. "I want the exact same release volume/quality/attention as the most popular of ALL GW's armies, interest, sales data, and pitiful showing of online pressure to GW be damned!"

Yes, I would rather have nothing than to have GW gak down my throat.

I'm sure you enjoy having your throat shat down, but I assure you it is not an activity I find pleasant, enjoyable, or desirable.

The problem with the idea that GW will make a better codex if the army is on its own is that it's not a guarantee. In fact, one of the best examples of this not being the case is the other half of the old witchhunter codex: Inquisition. The Inquisition had MORE options back in the day, and now it's just a pamphlet for you to use that one cool model you have and his Scooby-Doo group of hanger-ons as a plug in for imperial armies to abuse the hell out of the allies chart rather than one of THE most important and powerful organisations in the Imperium.

 Luke_Prowler wrote:
The problem with the idea that GW will make a better codex if the army is on its own is that it's not a guarantee. In fact, one of the best examples of this not being the case is [...] The Inquisition

The Inquisition elements in C:WH had always relied upon Sisters to begin with in order to function properly. Sure they could have theoretically formed a legit army using inquisitorial stormtrooper, but said army was amongst the weakest in the game, if not the weakest.

The inquisition as it is now isn't much better. But it actually proves MY point as well-- that GW will not be able to write the independent armies as actually independent of each other. Then again, the Inquisition was never truly and independent force to begin with, so that's not surprising, but be that was it may...

I would say a torrent apoc flamer is the only option for the long dreamed of cathedral tank.

 Melissia wrote:
The "jam everything in one codex" argument just seems to be more along the lines of "I don't care so just throw them in so people will shut up about them so GW can work on something I actually care about"-- or, in other words, you're asking for the equivalent of the latest Sisters "codex", a "book" that added nothing and actually took a lot of options away.

Me? I want an Adepta Sororitas book with the size and internal complexity and consistency of the Space Marine codex.

I think that the Codex: Witchhunters was probably, hands-down, the best Sisters codex ever. I mean that's not saying a lot, because so far they've had two paperback Codexes, one White Dwarf Codex, and an e-pub Codex. But still. I like it a lot, for the background, the art, and the rules. I wouldn't mind at all if that got a rewrite to update it for 7th or 8th Edition!

 Melissia wrote:
Yes, I would rather have nothing than to have GW gak down my throat.

I'm sure you enjoy having your throat shat down, but I assure you it is not an activity I find pleasant, enjoyable, or desirable.

"gak down my throat"? So mixing units in your book is "gaking down your throat"? Words fail me...

 Just Tony wrote:

 Melissia wrote:
Yes, I would rather have nothing than to have GW gak down my throat.

I'm sure you enjoy having your throat shat down, but I assure you it is not an activity I find pleasant, enjoyable, or desirable.

"gak down my throat"? So mixing units in your book is "gaking down your throat"? Words fail me...

You're right. Let's remove all Space Marine codices and cram a few choice Space Marine units in to Codex: Imperial Guard instead.

Clearly this is the future of codex-making.

If my army gets produced, I'm happy as a clam. For an entire edition my Chapter went from founding legion to ignored offshoot. My entire fantasy game was deep sixed. Speaking of which, how many armies for that system got stuck with a 15+ year old army list and had to make do? How many 40K armies sat through 2 or more editions using the same book? How many whole games got squatted? I'd be elated if BGF came back and got plastic ships all over the place, even if every fleet was in the same book.

For the life of me, I can't understand the intensity of your entitlement rants. Unless this is something more than simply getting an army.

 Melissia wrote:

You're right. Let's remove all Space Marine codices and cram a few choice Space Marine units in to Codex: Imperial Guard instead.

Clearly this is the future of codex-making.

To be fair, the Sisters of Battle codex is tiny. The actual rules are what, a few pages? Twenty at most if we space them generously? We can easily give them a stellar update that gives them three times as many mechanics and units and still fit them into a decently sized, say 150 page codex, with room to spare for others; and neither part really loses anything in the process, while gaining flexibility.

I'd be okay with smacking IG and SM factions into one massive codex. A huge 'Codex: Imperium' would not be too bad really.

I'm not. I'd rather have more, than settle for less. If the codex ends up just being a boring rehash of what we already have-- which isn't much, by your own admission-- why should that satisfy me?

As said, it wouldn't need to be a 'boring rehash.'

 Ashiraya wrote:
We can easily give them a stellar update that gives them three times as many mechanics and units

 Ashiraya wrote:
As said, it wouldn't need to be a 'boring rehash.'

 Ashiraya wrote:
We can easily give them a stellar update that gives them three times as many mechanics and units

I don't believe for a second that, were Sisters to be crammed in to someone else's codex, that would actually happen.

I am with Melissia on this. Combining the Sisters into a book that also features 2 or 3 other group will not do the faction any favors. The current Codex is already straying into this territory, what with all the auto-include Priests, Confessors and related non-Sisters Ecclesiarchy units.

Remember Storm of Chaos? 7 or more variant lists building on other army books? Some which were extensively redone, being almost a standalone list? Yeah, it's totally possible that having newer Codex size three proper lists could fit in the same book. And to be frank, I doubt GW would release a new Sisters book any other way.

Yeah... not really interested in playing my Sisters as an ally force.

But, let's face it, I (and customers like me) am not going to be the one to change GW's mind on this. GW has dragged its feet for too long, failed to engage with me (the customer) in any meaningful way for too long, and failed to cater to my hobby wants for too long that they've lost me, as a customer, probably forever.

Other companies are now doing Sisters-esque models better than GW ever has, in plastic and resin, to boot, for less than GW charges so... this is a battle that GW has lost.

I think there's a certain amount of misunderstanding going on over the last page or so. In the event of a hypothetical codex including the Sororitas, Arbites, and Inquisition, the Sororitas would still represent the bulk of the units in the book. Back in Codex: Witchhunters days, the non-Sororitas units in the book were the Inquisitors and their henchmen, Assassins, and Stormtroopers. Everything else was a SoB unit. Given that there's enough Sororitas units for a full dex, they'd still represent the bulk of the book in question.

Would they get new Sisters units? Maybe not. But, maybe being teamed with Inquisitors would give them access to Land Raiders, which would make Repentia a little more viable. Plus, one would hope the Repressor would make it in there. That's such a no brainer, it's not even funny.

 Grand.Master.Raziel wrote:
Would they get new Sisters units? Maybe not.

Then what's the fething point?

If we aren't going to get jack fething diddly gak when ti comes to new stuff, what is the point? You realize that the last two codices we got jack fething diddly gak all, right? Getting nothing new is the current status quo, and we HATE the current status quo.

Hey guess what? Your new codex is coming out! But don't worry, we're not going to actually add anything NEW in it. Just the same old boring rehashed crap we've given you for the past twelve years. WHY AREN'T YOU EXCITED YET I DON'T UNDERSTAND?!?!?!? FINE I GUESS WE'LL INSTEAD JUST REMOVE UNITS FROM IT MAYBE THAT WILL EXCITE YOU!!!111ONe

You're telling me to settle for less even as other armies get metric fethtons of new stuff, and expecting me to be overjoyed at the idea, and yet you wonder why I reject it so completely and utterly?

(Yes, I am aware that I am using hyperbole, you don't have to tell me)

 Melissia wrote:

 Grand.Master.Raziel wrote:
Would they get new Sisters units? Maybe not.

Then what's the fething point?

If we aren't going to get jack fething diddly gak when ti comes to new stuff, what is the point? You realize that the last two codices we got jack fething diddly gak all, right? Getting nothing new is the current status quo, and we HATE the current status quo.

Hey guess what? Your new codex is coming out! But don't worry, we're not going to actually add anything NEW in it. Just the same old boring rehashed crap we've given you for the past twelve years. WHY AREN'T YOU EXCITED YET I DON'T UNDERSTAND?!?!?!? FINE I GUESS WE'LL INSTEAD JUST REMOVE UNITS FROM IT MAYBE THAT WILL EXCITE YOU!!!111ONe

You're telling me to settle for less even as other armies get metric fethtons of new stuff, and expecting me to be overjoyed at the idea, and yet you wonder why I reject it so completely and utterly?

(Yes, I am aware that I am using hyperbole, you don't have to tell me)

I have to agree with Melissa here, the Sisters have been really shafted these past few editions.

If they can make a swathe of new models for Deathwatch then there is no reason not do the same for Sisters.

Otherwise there woud be no need for Wolfy McWolf on his wolf sleigh pulled by wolves

hey they can do clothing for them !

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