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 Melissia wrote:

 Grand.Master.Raziel wrote:
Would they get new Sisters units? Maybe not.

Then what's the fething point?

If we aren't going to get jack fething diddly gak when ti comes to new stuff, what is the point?

We'll for starters some of us would be delighted just to have a current printed codex.
Secondly, we would get formations, which is the one thing they sorely lack currently.
Thirdly, we would get Datacards.
Fourth, you know they would just have to tweak the rules, be it relics, or the Faith system.
Fifth, while it would be nice to have new units, they are by no means a neccesity.

Personally, I would like to the return of the Fraternis Militia, but it's not like Sisters have scouts or snipers to add as new units.

 adamsouza wrote:
Personally, I would like to the return of the Fraternis Militia, but it's not like Sisters have scouts or snipers to add as new units.

Why not?

 Melissia wrote:

 adamsouza wrote:
Personally, I would like to the return of the Fraternis Militia, but it's not like Sisters have scouts or snipers to add as new units.

Why not?

Because part of their flavor is that they exist as a loophole about the religious branch not having men at arms, and are not supposed to be organized like an actual army.

Wait..wait... Sisters of Silence Infiltrators would be awesome, and kind of like scouts.

Also, flamers and meltas make for terrible snipers.

 adamsouza wrote:
Also, flamers and meltas make for terrible snipers.

So use boltguns.

Done and done, your other objections were kinda pointless given GW retcons its fluff all the time so that it can us new units for other factions. Hell, Sisters have aircraft, why not snipers?

Hell, sniper-boltguns already exist in 40k so this is even sillier of an objection. Have them be 5-woman teams, one sergeant, four snipers. Don't make them be recruits, but rather capable soldiers.

 adamsouza wrote:

 Melissia wrote:

 adamsouza wrote:
Personally, I would like to the return of the Fraternis Militia, but it's not like Sisters have scouts or snipers to add as new units.

Why not?

Because part of their flavor is that they exist as a loophole about the religious branch not having men at arms, and are not supposed to be organized like an actual army.

Wait..wait... Sisters of Silence Infiltrators would be awesome, and kind of like scouts.

Also, flamers and meltas make for terrible snipers.

As Melissa said - no reason not for them exist as they are an army and act as such. The loop hole was just that then but they have had millenia to grow and adapt - similar to the Astartes

Given they are often defending fixed locations - specialist units with Storm and/ or Suppression shields would make sense, also when acting as bodyguards

Special characters from the novels/ campaigns can easily be incorporated.

Sisters Hospitlitar could be more common

we know they have starships so the void craft is a easy inclusion, as are drop pods.

Other orders could be included as well.

Given that the Sisters of Battle are part of the Ecclesiarchy, I don't see the objection to having Cardinals, Missionaries, Priests, Frateris Militia, Redemptionists, Arco-Flagellants, Penitent Engines and Crusaders in there alongside the Sororitas units.

And speaking of units, I don't see why the Repentia can't get given Rhinos. And they should definitely add Repressors, and also some kind of mobile shrine. They could add units of Sisters of Battle who are close combat oriented, with chainswords and bolt pistols and flamers, perhaps.

I don't see the Ecclesiarchy as being 'added into' a Sisters codex, I think that the two are inseperable. After all, the Church Militant is, in fact, the Sisters.

As much as I want plastic Sisters (DoW was my introduction to 40k, and the Sisters were the only thing that prevented Soul Storm from being a complete dumpster fire), I would like to see some non-Imperial releases. Not that I don't love my Space Marines, but it's past time for CSM to get some love, and Tyranids, Orks, and DE could use some TLC, too.

Gen.Steiner wrote:
Given that the Sisters of Battle are part of the Ecclesiarchy, I don't see the objection to having Cardinals, Missionaries, Priests, Frateris Militia, Redemptionists, Arco-Flagellants, Penitent Engines and Crusaders in there alongside the Sororitas units.

And speaking of units, I don't see why the Repentia can't get given Rhinos. And they should definitely add Repressors, and also some kind of mobile shrine. They could add units of Sisters of Battle who are close combat oriented, with chainswords and bolt pistols and flamers, perhaps.

I don't see the Ecclesiarchy as being 'added into' a Sisters codex, I think that the two are inseperable. After all, the Church Militant is, in fact, the Sisters.

Having been a Sisters player from their very start, I can say that it was always a complaint of a lot of Sisters players that they could not have a pure Sisters force. Now we can of course, but I dont see any Sisters players saying they want the battle conclave removed from the Dex. Just that in the current wave of sub dexes being released there isnt any reason that the Sisters need to be mushed together with several other groups of crazies just to warrant a release.

You may have missed it in your Sisters Dex that Repentia can be given rhino's, the Exorcist is "some kind" of mobile shrine, and command squads can be given a good number of melee, special and or heavy weapons. Yes it would be nice if the repressor was in the Dex and not just in a FW book (or online download) but I have NEVER had anyone tell me I couldnt use it.

There are however bigger holes in the Sisters Dex.

I would be fine with giving Sisters an infiltrating troops choice of Sisters with storm shields and power mauls. A Palatine as a second HQ for formations. Cheaper power weapons for Celestians in command squads while giving the same options to those in elite choice Celestian squads. The thought of using Celestian squads of Celestians/Hospitallers/Dialogus and the like in the manner of Necron royal court characters would be fine by me. Even if all they brought was their wargear and each type had their own AoF that they would pass on to the unit they are attached too.

Beyond that, some formations would certainly be nice. And I would flip for a set of Sisters tactical cards. That being said, I am just fine doing without a Dex update since past history suggests it would more than likely not be an improvement. Plastic Sisters mean nothing to me. I just want my Immolator kit back.

 adamsouza wrote:
Because part of their flavor is that they exist as a loophole about the religious branch not having men at arms

That explicitly confirmed by official background material.

 adamsouza wrote:
and are not supposed to be organized like an actual army.

That is explicitly contradicted by official background material.

 adamsouza wrote:
Also, flamers and meltas make for terrible snipers.

So I guess Salamanders can't have snipers. Also Black Templars can't have snipers because chainsword make for terrible snipers and white scars can't have snipers because you can't shoot a bike. Or maybe Sisters can just use sniper rifles to snipe their enemies. Just like they can use plasma pistols and eviscerators and all that.

It's especially bad comparing Sisters to say, Eldar, whose codex you can't even open because of all the fanboy goo gluing the pages together. This has happened two editions in a row, even.

Oh my... seriously. The idea that women should be equally represented and treated like part of the fan-base is frankly a repulsive and degenerate idea.

Sisters of Battle being produced as a main force? That's the last thing we want to encourage. Men don't want to play with plastic soldiers in the female form, it's unnatural.

(For the record, this is sarcasm)


It's about time Sisters got some actual loving from the GW sculpters and codex writers.

 dracpanzer wrote:
You may have missed it in your Sisters Dex that Repentia can be given rhino's, the Exorcist is "some kind" of mobile shrine, and command squads can be given a good number of melee, special and or heavy weapons. Yes it would be nice if the repressor was in the Dex and not just in a FW book (or online download) but I have NEVER had anyone tell me I couldnt use it.

Yeah, I have missed that; the last time I looked at the dreck that is the current e-codex was almost a year ago. I still play 4th Edition mostly, so my Sisters of Battle use Codex: Witchhunters. And I'm pretty sure Repentia can't get Rhinos in that one... doubting myself now. Just assumed that would still be the same.

All that said, of course, I'm going to give my Repentia a Rhino anyway, as soon as I can get hold of another Mk 1 Immolator kit to use.

Any Codex: Adepta Sororitas should most definitely include a good showing of Ecclesiarchal units, since the Ecclesiarchy is the organisation that the Battle Sisters belong to. Ministorum Priests, Uriah Jacobus, Battle Conclaves and Penitent Engines are already in the codex so they shouldn't go anywhere. I also think the codex could be used to represent forces that work closely with the Sororitas - that's already represented by the Avenger Strike Fighter (which is not something the Sisters use, rather Imperial Navy support that's often requested by the Sisters).

So to flesh out a codex I think you could add the following:
An Ecclesiarchy HQ choice, would be support focused and possibly filling a similar role to a Chaplain or Techmarine.

A 2nd generic Battle Sister HQ choice, to represent a lesser hero. Buff up the Cannoness to make her the stand apart.

Better Elite choices. Something that makes Celestians and Command Squads nasty in melee, befitting highly trained and experienced elite humans with utter conviction in their faith. Even if its simply buffing Celestians to I4 and giving them access to cheap power weapons like Vanguard Veterans. Also make Penitent Engines and Repentia worth something...

A cheap disposable troop choice. I think a rabble of fanatics would be an awesome choice, to represent the local populace that have been whipped into a frenzy by an Ecclesiarchy Confessor. Like that Flagellent kit for the Empire in Warhammer Fantasy.

Imperial Navy Support. Avenger Strike Fighter obviously, but possibly even things like Aquila Landers or Arvus Lighters. If it needs to be plastic, then <insert new Imperial Flyer here>. Possibly even use the Corvus Blackstar, which leads to the next point...

Ordo Hereticus support. I know the Grey Knight and Deathwatch codexes have played down the role of the Inquisition, but I can't help but wonder if that's because GW has some weird idea about not wanting to dilute the image of Space Marines. The Battle Conclave could be folded in here (since its just a more restricted Inquisitorial Henchmen Warband anyway) and the option to take an Ordo Hereticus Inquisitor as a HQ choice.

Giving Celestians back their WS4 / I4 and their always hit on a 4+ regardless of opposing WS would be a good step forward for them. Giving them power weapons or Sarissa attachments that actually did something of value would be another.

Celestians are already WS4; its the only thing that makes them semi-useful atm (well that and they have 2 attacks)

 Melissia wrote:

 Grand.Master.Raziel wrote:
Would they get new Sisters units? Maybe not.

Then what's the fething point?

If we aren't going to get jack fething diddly gak when ti comes to new stuff, what is the point? You realize that the last two codices we got jack fething diddly gak all, right? Getting nothing new is the current status quo, and we HATE the current status quo.

Hey guess what? Your new codex is coming out! But don't worry, we're not going to actually add anything NEW in it. Just the same old boring rehashed crap we've given you for the past twelve years. WHY AREN'T YOU EXCITED YET I DON'T UNDERSTAND?!?!?!? FINE I GUESS WE'LL INSTEAD JUST REMOVE UNITS FROM IT MAYBE THAT WILL EXCITE YOU!!!111ONe

You're telling me to settle for less even as other armies get metric fethtons of new stuff, and expecting me to be overjoyed at the idea, and yet you wonder why I reject it so completely and utterly?

(Yes, I am aware that I am using hyperbole, you don't have to tell me)

Slight correction.

Sisters of Battle did not in fact get nothing new. They got considerably less than that, because models which were being produced have been taken out of production to the point where it is impossible to get a Sister Superior with a pistol or even a Seraphim Superior that is distinguishable from an ordinary squad member. Saying that the Sisters of Battle have gotten "less than nothing" in terms of new models for the past 13 years would not be hyperbole, it would be literal.

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 GoonBandito wrote:
Ordo Hereticus support. I know the Grey Knight and Deathwatch codexes have played down the role of the Inquisition, but I can't help but wonder if that's because GW has some weird idea about not wanting to dilute the image of Space Marines. The Battle Conclave could be folded in here (since its just a more restricted Inquisitorial Henchmen Warband anyway) and the option to take an Ordo Hereticus Inquisitor as a HQ choice.

Inquisition are in their own Codex now.

 Pouncey wrote:

 GoonBandito wrote:
Ordo Hereticus support. I know the Grey Knight and Deathwatch codexes have played down the role of the Inquisition, but I can't help but wonder if that's because GW has some weird idea about not wanting to dilute the image of Space Marines. The Battle Conclave could be folded in here (since its just a more restricted Inquisitorial Henchmen Warband anyway) and the option to take an Ordo Hereticus Inquisitor as a HQ choice.

Inquisition are in their own Codex now.

I know. I'm saying let Ordo Hereticus Inquisitors specifically be taken in Adepta Sororitas detachments, either by copying the rules over (eg how the Militarum Tempestus codex copies unit entries over from the Astra Militarum codex) or by simply saying *refer to Codex: Inquisition in their listings.

 GoonBandito wrote:

 Pouncey wrote:

 GoonBandito wrote:
Ordo Hereticus support. I know the Grey Knight and Deathwatch codexes have played down the role of the Inquisition, but I can't help but wonder if that's because GW has some weird idea about not wanting to dilute the image of Space Marines. The Battle Conclave could be folded in here (since its just a more restricted Inquisitorial Henchmen Warband anyway) and the option to take an Ordo Hereticus Inquisitor as a HQ choice.

Inquisition are in their own Codex now.

I know. I'm saying let Ordo Hereticus Inquisitors specifically be taken in Adepta Sororitas detachments, either by copying the rules over (eg how the Militarum Tempestus codex copies unit entries over from the Astra Militarum codex) or by simply saying *refer to Codex: Inquisition in their listings.

...Why?

The Inquisition is a separate organization from the Ecclesiarchy.

Right. But the Adepta Sororitas work closely with the Ordo Hereticus to persecute crimes of Heresy. Whether or not the Chamber Militants fluff still exists or not is up for debate, given the complete lack of mention of them in the Grey Knight and Deathwatch codexs, but even then they do still mention the close ties.

Basically there are historical ties in both fluff and splat that link the Ordo Hereticus and Adepta Sororitas together.

 GoonBandito wrote:
Right. But the Adepta Sororitas work closely with the Ordo Hereticus to persecute crimes of Heresy. Whether or not the Chamber Militants fluff still exists or not is up for debate, given the complete lack of mention of them in the Grey Knight and Deathwatch codexs, but even then they do still mention the close ties.

Basically there are historical ties in both fluff and splat that link the Ordo Hereticus and Adepta Sororitas together.

It's very easy to include the Ordo Hereticus in a Sororitas army though. Just... take an Inquisitor from an Inquisition detachment.

And the Ordo Malleus and Grey Knights work very closely together too, possibly more-so than the Hereticus and Sororitas. If the Grey Knights Codex doesn't have an option for a Malleus Inquisitor, I don't see why the Sororitas Codex should have one for a Hereticus Inquistior.

I know its easy; that's how I do it at the moment. It would be even easier to take them inside an actual Sororitas Detachment though, especially since they would then gain the rules for being in that Detachment rather than a separate one (deploying in Allied Transports is a big one, since that would be an easy way to give Sisters back the option for Land Raiders). Plus you wouldn't have to buy another codex.

The Grey Knights codex used to have the options for Inquisitors. That's where all the Inquisition stuff used to be. They decided to split it off, which is fine, however the Inquisition eCodex is now in the same situation as the Adepta Sororitas eCodex in that its not at all up to the same standard of the rest of the 7th Edition Codexes. I'd be fine if the Inquisition codex gets updated too, with special rule in there allowing Inquisitors of the respective Ordo to be included in Sororitas, Grey Knight or Deathwatch detachments.

 GoonBandito wrote:
I know its easy; that's how I do it at the moment. It would be even easier to take them inside an actual Sororitas Detachment though, especially since they would then gain the rules for being in that Detachment rather than a separate one (deploying in Allied Transports is a big one, since that would be an easy way to give Sisters back the option for Land Raiders). Plus you wouldn't have to buy another codex.

The Grey Knights codex used to have the options for Inquisitors. That's where all the Inquisition stuff used to be. They decided to split it off, which is fine, however the Inquisition eCodex is now in the same situation as the Adepta Sororitas eCodex in that its not at all up to the same standard of the rest of the 7th Edition Codexes. I'd be fine if the Inquisition codex gets updated too, with special rule in there allowing Inquisitors of the respective Ordo to be included in Sororitas, Grey Knight or Deathwatch detachments.

The Witch Hunters Codex used to have options for Ordo Hereticus Inquisitors, and one of the Troops choices was Inquisitorial Stormtroopers. You could even take an Orbital Strike as a Heavy Support choice.

And since Grey Knights don't have options for Inquisition stuff anymore... I don't think the Sisters of Battle need them either.

Draxx the Destroyer wrote:

 adamsouza wrote:
Also, flamers and meltas make for terrible snipers.

So I guess Salamanders can't have snipers. Also Black Templars can't have snipers because chainsword make for terrible snipers and white scars can't have snipers because you can't shoot a bike. Or maybe Sisters can just use sniper rifles to snipe their enemies. Just like they can use plasma pistols and eviscerators and all that.

One would assume snipers would use sniper rifles.

What I did there was make a joke, and it evidently went over your head like a poorly aimed sniper shot.

 adamsouza wrote:

Draxx the Destroyer wrote:

 adamsouza wrote:
Also, flamers and meltas make for terrible snipers.

So I guess Salamanders can't have snipers. Also Black Templars can't have snipers because chainsword make for terrible snipers and white scars can't have snipers because you can't shoot a bike. Or maybe Sisters can just use sniper rifles to snipe their enemies. Just like they can use plasma pistols and eviscerators and all that.

Spoiler:

One would assume snipers would use sniper rifles.

What I did there was make a joke, and it evidently went over your head like a poorly aimed sniper shot.

Is it impossible to make a sniper rifle that uses bolter tech?

Because Sisters of Battle aren't just about melta and flamers, they're about bolters too.

 Pouncey wrote:

 adamsouza wrote:

Draxx the Destroyer wrote:

 adamsouza wrote:
Also, flamers and meltas make for terrible snipers.

So I guess Salamanders can't have snipers. Also Black Templars can't have snipers because chainsword make for terrible snipers and white scars can't have snipers because you can't shoot a bike. Or maybe Sisters can just use sniper rifles to snipe their enemies. Just like they can use plasma pistols and eviscerators and all that.

Spoiler:

One would assume snipers would use sniper rifles.

What I did there was make a joke, and it evidently went over your head like a poorly aimed sniper shot.

Is it impossible to make a sniper rifle that uses bolter tech?

Because Sisters of Battle aren't just about melta and flamers, they're about bolters too.

I'm out.

 adamsouza wrote:
I'm out.

I fail to see any humor in what you said. Not that it was offensive, or rude or anything, just simply that it lacked any sense of humor and was indistinguishable from a statement of fact.

 GoonBandito wrote:
Right. But the Adepta Sororitas work closely with the Ordo Hereticus to persecute crimes of Heresy. Whether or not the Chamber Militants fluff still exists or not is up for debate, given the complete lack of mention of them in the Grey Knight and Deathwatch codexs, but even then they do still mention the close ties.

Basically there are historical ties in both fluff and splat that link the Ordo Hereticus and Adepta Sororitas together.

So you mean like they are Battle Brother on the alliance matrix ?

 adamsouza wrote:
What I did there was make a joke, and it evidently went over your head like a poorly aimed sniper shot.

Poe's law. Trust me I have seen people actually argue that Sisters couldn't grow because of this whole “holy trinity” stuff as if it was an absolute rule rather than a simple general preference by the Sororitas.

 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:

 adamsouza wrote:
What I did there was make a joke, and it evidently went over your head like a poorly aimed sniper shot.

Poe's law. Trust me I have seen people actually argue that Sisters couldn't grow because of this whole “holy trinity” stuff as if it was an absolute rule rather than a simple general preference by the Sororitas.

Also I'd like to know whether the Exorcist's missile launcher is a bolter, melta, or flamer weapon.

 Pouncey wrote:
Also I'd like to know whether the Exorcist's missile launcher is a bolter, melta, or flamer weapon.

Depends on the warhead I would assume. After all an incendiary rocket would probably be classed as a flamer, in the way that the Russian thermobaric artillery systems are classified as flamethrowers.

In terms of model support, I completely agree with Pouncey; less than nothing is indeed what Sisters of Battle players have received over the last few years. Same goes for Inquisition players of all stripes. Remember the Daemonhosts and the huge range of henchmen? eBay does... but GW just doesn't want to make them any more. And given that they can make a brand new 2nd Edition Screamer Killer for a single customer who had one of enormous emotional value stolen, I don't think "oh but the figures are metal!" is a reasonable excuse. They could happily cast up the Seraphim again, for example.

Gen.Steiner wrote:

 Pouncey wrote:
Also I'd like to know whether the Exorcist's missile launcher is a bolter, melta, or flamer weapon.

Depends on the warhead I would assume. After all an incendiary rocket would probably be classed as a flamer, in the way that the Russian thermobaric artillery systems are classified as flamethrowers.

They have different warhead types? Wouldn't the difference between them necessitate a different weapon profile depending on which type you're firing? Like the Whirlwind rockets have?

In terms of model support, I completely agree with Pouncey; less than nothing is indeed what Sisters of Battle players have received over the last few years. Same goes for Inquisition players of all stripes. Remember the Daemonhosts and the huge range of henchmen? eBay does... but GW just doesn't want to make them any more. And given that they can make a brand new 2nd Edition Screamer Killer for a single customer who had one of enormous emotional value stolen, I don't think "oh but the figures are metal!" is a reasonable excuse. They could happily cast up the Seraphim again, for example.

It's pretty sad when the concept of getting less than nothing for over a decade is a literal statement which is factually true...