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 Pouncey wrote:
Gen.Steiner wrote:
 Pouncey wrote:
Also I'd like to know whether the Exorcist's missile launcher is a bolter, melta, or flamer weapon.


Depends on the warhead I would assume. After all an incendiary rocket would probably be classed as a flamer, in the way that the Russian thermobaric artillery systems are classified as flamethrowers.


They have different warhead types? Wouldn't the difference between them necessitate a different weapon profile depending on which type you're firing? Like the Whirlwind rockets have?


No, there's no rules for different warheads, it was just a mild jest. :p

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Gen.Steiner wrote:
 Pouncey wrote:
Gen.Steiner wrote:
 Pouncey wrote:
Also I'd like to know whether the Exorcist's missile launcher is a bolter, melta, or flamer weapon.


Depends on the warhead I would assume. After all an incendiary rocket would probably be classed as a flamer, in the way that the Russian thermobaric artillery systems are classified as flamethrowers.


They have different warhead types? Wouldn't the difference between them necessitate a different weapon profile depending on which type you're firing? Like the Whirlwind rockets have?


No, there's no rules for different warheads, it was just a mild jest. :p


I've actually wondered on many occasions why there aren't different profiles for different ammo types. Specifically why there isn't an incendiary version that fires d6 flamer or heavy flamer small blasts.
   
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A flamer warhead would be more like: Heavy D6 Ordnance Blast S5 AP5.

A melta warhead is rather like the current Exorcist rocket (S8 AP2) but, obviously, I would imagine it having the Melta rule!

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 Pouncey wrote:
Gen.Steiner wrote:
 Pouncey wrote:
Gen.Steiner wrote:
 Pouncey wrote:
Also I'd like to know whether the Exorcist's missile launcher is a bolter, melta, or flamer weapon.


Depends on the warhead I would assume. After all an incendiary rocket would probably be classed as a flamer, in the way that the Russian thermobaric artillery systems are classified as flamethrowers.


They have different warhead types? Wouldn't the difference between them necessitate a different weapon profile depending on which type you're firing? Like the Whirlwind rockets have?


No, there's no rules for different warheads, it was just a mild jest. :p


I've actually wondered on many occasions why there aren't different profiles for different ammo types. Specifically why there isn't an incendiary version that fires d6 flamer or heavy flamer small blasts.
Because that would require GW to make something new and interesting.

And GW will not do that when it can instead give the new and interesting stuff to Marines, instead.

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Gen.Steiner wrote:
A flamer warhead would be more like: Heavy D6 Ordnance Blast S5 AP5.


Uhh... D6 5" templates? That's way more than a little OP don't you think?

Also since it's flamer, it should have the Ignores Cover special rule like the Whirlwind's incendiary rockets do. Or literally every flamer weapon in the game.

A melta warhead is rather like the current Exorcist rocket (S8 AP2) but, obviously, I would imagine it having the Melta rule!


Isn't the current rocket AP1? Did that change at some point?

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 Melissia wrote:
Because that would require GW to make something new and interesting.

And GW will not do that when it can instead give the new and interesting stuff to Marines, instead.


Well, they wouldn't need to make anything, the Exorcist already exists. It'd be a few lines of rules text.

Exorcist Multiple-Launch Rocket System

Exorcists come equipped with krak rockets, but they are frequently fielded with different warheads depending on the enemy the Sisters face.

An Exorcist can be equipped with Incendiary Rockets for X points, Melta Rockets for Y points.

Incendiary: 48" S5 AP5 Heavy 1 Ordnance Blast, Ignores Cover
Melta: 48" S8 AP1 Heavy d6 Melta
Krak: 48" S8 AP3 Heavy d6

EDIT: Edited because Pouncey remembers the rules better than me!

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Gen.Steiner wrote:
 Melissia wrote:
Because that would require GW to make something new and interesting.

And GW will not do that when it can instead give the new and interesting stuff to Marines, instead.


Well, they wouldn't need to make anything, the Exorcist already exists. It'd be a few lines of rules text.

Exorcist Multiple-Launch Rocket System

Exorcists come equipped with krak rockets, but they are frequently fielded with different warheads depending on the enemy the Sisters face.

An Exorcist can be equipped with Incendiary Rockets for X points, Melta Rockets for Y points.

Incendiary: 48" S5 AP5 Heavy 1 Ordnance Blast, Ignores Cover
Melta: 48" S8 AP1 Heavy d6 Melta
Krak: 48" S8 AP3 Heavy d6

EDIT: Edited because Pouncey remembers the rules better than me!


Given how often I have to look things up in the rulebook during games, I'm surprised I remembered something accurately too.

I think that's more-so a matter of the rules being written conversationally though. I have a hard time remembering the exact words that were said. Simple numbers that tend not to change though... I'm pretty good about those. I could probably tell you the stat lines of most models and weapons in the Sororitas Codex without having to look it up first and get almost everything right, but if I had to describe how Challenges work I'd almost certainly get tons of stuff wrong.

I think that d6 3" blasts would be more fun for the Incendiary thing though. It'd be more unique than essentially copying the Whirlwind, and firing multiple rockets is kinda what the Exorcist DOES.

Also, if you had Melta Rockets, why would you ever fire Krak Rockets? Melta rockets are a direct upgrade with no downsides.

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 Pouncey wrote:
I think that d6 3" blasts would be more fun for the Incendiary thing though. It'd be more unique than essentially copying the Whirlwind, and firing multiple rockets is kinda what the Exorcist DOES.

Also, if you had Melta Rockets, why would you ever fire Krak Rockets? Melta rockets are a direct upgrade with no downsides.


Heavy d3 Blast maybe?

As for the Melta Rockets, well, the points cost. Maybe the standard Krak could have a longer range, too - 72" perhaps?

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Gen.Steiner wrote:
 Pouncey wrote:
I think that d6 3" blasts would be more fun for the Incendiary thing though. It'd be more unique than essentially copying the Whirlwind, and firing multiple rockets is kinda what the Exorcist DOES.

Also, if you had Melta Rockets, why would you ever fire Krak Rockets? Melta rockets are a direct upgrade with no downsides.


Heavy d3 Blast maybe?

As for the Melta Rockets, well, the points cost. Maybe the standard Krak could have a longer range, too - 72" perhaps?


d3 blast would be fine.

Given that you're going to be taking an Exorcist primarily for its anti-tank capabilities, if you're taking one, you are going to be taking melta rockets.

Going from 48" range to 72" inch range is not such a huge upgrade given that 48" is sufficient to cover most of a standard table anyways. Plus you'd still only use them on anything where your melta rockets are out of range. There should be a situation where you have the option to use Krak Rockets even though Melta Rockets is an option and you choose to do so. Maybe if you alter the number of shots to give you an average of more dice than the melta rockets, since I'd envision Krak Rockets to be something you'd use to kill power armored infantry and save the melta rockets for vehicles.

Edit: Also, since the "melta" rule involves a buff to half-range attacks, maybe Armorbane would be better since the rockets are causing the melta effect, not the launcher itself.

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Is Armourbane the 2d6+S armour penetration rule? If so, then yes, that.

Oh, no, I was thinking you bought a particular warhead and had to use just that warhead type for the duration of the game. So it comes standard with the krak rockets, or you can upgrade to the melta rockets, or the incendiary ones.

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