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Having been investigating the world's largest apocalypse game and trying to organise a bigger one an issue has arisen very quickly. No one club or place seems to have the capacity for a game so large. This has led me to one conclusion. To take the record of biggest apocalypse game ever it has to be played in multiple locations at once. http://www.belloflostsouls.net/2011/02/40k-worlds-biggest-apocalypse-game-results.html That is the current record holding game. With proper organisation who would be interested in getting involved with this?

Why multiple locations? You just need a place big enough to do it. Like a big sports hall or something.

The trouble with that is it gets expensive quickly. Also having multiple locations playing at once means you can have a much bigger game.

Not really.

Then it would not be one game anymore. And having to rent multiple places is a lot more expensive.

Played simultaneously in multiple locations is exactly the same as the game in the link which is counted as the current record holder.

Like Grumpy said, I think renting a large hall would make the most sense. A school gymnasium or something, a community hall, something to that effect.

I think people are missing the point. If the game were played in multiple locations by participating teams, the cost is distributed as each participating team handles their own costs.

SJ

Yup, I'd be up for it if it was in one big hall. To hire a van and get my local clubs involved with their terrain and some bodies would be fun.
Let's say 12k per table at a squeeze, that would need 70 tables minimum. Bristol alone must have that between, BIG, Bristol Bigguns, Bristol Vanguard, The Old Duke, Excelsior and Hall of Heroes plus some nutters like myself have a dozen tables worth of terrain and tables.
At £30 per head and a 3k minimum bring along that would be 35 people and a £1050 budget for the hall.
If you stick to 100 players and no points restriction or 10K minimum you could smash the record.

A issue may be actually being able to reach across the tables to move your models.

If they are multible tables at different locations how it can really be counted as one game? Can army at location a affect at table in location b?

It would be a neat test of things like infinite range bombardments

I agree. Having several big games in different places kinda defeats the point don't you think, as it's not one game. Usain Bolt didn't get the WR for the 100m by doing them in 50m sections.

Eh, honestly if you play in an apoc game on a 4'x anything that's not even fun, it's just a point smash at that point.

If you are going to do it, make sure it's at least 6' x how ever long the table needs to be.

Play on the floor maybe? Lay down giant sheets of plywood, paint up as battlefield, place terrain. Just be really really careful moving models around! Roll dice on a tray or 5 separately. Could work?

 KharnsRightHand wrote:
It would be a neat test of things like infinite range bombardments

I'd be taking as many hunter killer missiles as I could possibly shoehorn in

Floor would be the only way, or 6x4 tables playing length wise, connected by a2x2 or 2x4

 Engine of War wrote:
Play on the floor maybe? Lay down giant sheets of plywood, paint up as battlefield, place terrain. Just be really really careful moving models around! Roll dice on a tray or 5 separately. Could work?

If you put casters on the bottom of those sheets of plywood, you can play a larger game and still move them so that you don't have to worry about stepping on anyone's models.

 carldooley wrote:

 Engine of War wrote:
Play on the floor maybe? Lay down giant sheets of plywood, paint up as battlefield, place terrain. Just be really really careful moving models around! Roll dice on a tray or 5 separately. Could work?

stepping on anyone's models.

Good lord I physcially cringed at the thought of this happeneing.

 Backspacehacker wrote:
Eh, honestly if you play in an apoc game on a 4'x anything that's not even fun, it's just a point smash at that point.

If you are going to do it, make sure it's at least 6' x how ever long the table needs to be.

That link and pictures shows nicely what's wrong with apoc. Titans shoulder to shoulder with gap between armies almopt nothing. That's not how epic battles in 40k would be. Too small tables for armies.

tneva82 wrote:
That link and pictures shows nicely what's wrong with apoc. Titans shoulder to shoulder with gap between armies almopt nothing. That's not how epic battles in 40k would be. Too small tables for armies.

Agreed 100%.
But when it comes to breaking a world record it's a different deal.
Take a look at the world of football and how relevant it is to be able to do 26 hours of Keepie uppies.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Keepie_uppie
Before I wrote my 'prescription' for the number of tables I hadn't looked at the link.
They only used 18 tables and some for unpainted, there are plenty of halls, gaming centres or clubs that could host that.

Best apoc game I saw played was at my FLGS it was a huge 6' by I think it was....18' maybe 20' and the game was primarily played length wise, but forces were coming in from both sides.

The way he did it was 4k point minimum per player, no super heavy walkers, those were added in after, then it was 16,000 points of orks+ their super heavies


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OH! And lots of terrain, had a full wall of myrter set and the old forge world imperial castle thing

If you look on youtube then there's a game of 600,000 points which is 14,000 points per table per side but I don't know the size of the table.

Chaos=Havoc wrote:
Played simultaneously in multiple locations is exactly the same as the game in the link which is counted as the current record holder.

I didn't see anything about multiple locations in the article. Do you mean having multiple tables going on at once? Because I think every massive apoc game has used that. Take Apocalypticon, an annual game that used to be run by Miniwargaming. They had a bunch of tables set in a U shape, and put two players facing each other on each side, with about 14,000 points each iirc. This meant that the game was almost entirely played in a team format between two players, but the points they scored were just added up for their team. Of course, units with the range could still attack units on other tables, otherwise it wouldn't be a single game, so warlord and emperor class Titans actually got to use their weapons effectively. I think this format is fine and can still constitute a single game.

But if it's at multiple locations, like having one session in LA, one in Toronto, one in Boston, and one in Nottingham, it no longer can be called one game. It's now a group of battles that are separated by enormous dostances, making them multiple battles. Plus, it would be very difficult to coordinate between groups. Even having just two groups, the players at one venue won't know the entire layout of the other venue, making it very difficult for them to use infinite range weapons effectively. You would have to set time limits on each phase as well, to keep the games synchronized. Time would obviously be a huge problem. With multiple locations, how will you account for time zones? And this is just with two groups. It sounds like you're suggesting many more groups than that, all working together in the same battle. That would be next to impossible to organize. I love the idea of big apoc games, but having multiple locations makes it multiple battles, even if you cobble the points together at the end.

The advertisement for the game states it was played in the UK, US and Norway at the same time


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That then makes the record holder a 600,000 points game.

All of the records given in the article are for "one table" (most miniatures on one table, most points on one table, etc.) so whether or not the actual game was being played in multiple locations, all those miniatures would have to be in the same venue to count for the record. So either that one venue in the US had the biggest apoc game ever just by itself, or all those records have been wrongly ascribed to that event. For the record, I know they weren't literally all on one table. But if they're all in the same venue and all able to effectively fight each other, that's fine. But you can't put together 400,000 points from the US and 400,000 points from Norway and tell me, "this is the biggest collection of models on one table".

I agree

I think that either Apocalypticon 2014 (the 600,000 point event) is the biggest ever, or maybe the article was only counting models at one venue. Obviously that would smash the record, but the article isn't clear at all on whether or not that's the case.

No need for tables, just an open floor. Been playing Floorhammer for over 20 years, it's the best way to get thise awesome weapon ranges into play.

SJ

I think a super important thing to keep in check is acoustics.
You try pulling that off in an open sports hall, and people will seriously be struggling to communicate. I already had a hard time in my tiny Local, with just 10 of us.

There is a club in the US that frequently rents out, what I'd call, a typical village hall. Ceiling height is ~3 metres, carpeted floor, soft panels on the ceiling like you sometimes see in class rooms.
Perfect acoustics in there for a large gathering.

Alternatively, find a field, and stick a load of gazebos in it.

I think a village hall is the way to go. I've chosen a location and found a local club.